Nemesis 244 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Are there any other composers which use the overlap technique like Williams does?Example: The Ultimate War from Hook is build on several seperate cues. Temple of Doom is also a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every film composer ever does this. You think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes straight without making a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Agreed. It's just a more practical way to handle big cues.Adventures on Earth has 4 seperate tracks I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every film composer ever does this.You think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes straight without making a mistake?Star Trek III. Stealing the Enterprise. Violin Take.it sucked, but it was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Do you really think it was not broken down in smaller chunks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 It's easier on the author, easier on the orchestrators, easier on the orchestra, easier on the recording engineer, just easier on every one to write shorter cues that connect together as opposed to writing enormous, 100+ page cues and trying to record it all at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Do you really think it was not broken down in smaller chunks?It says in the liner notes that the whole thing was recorded in one take (it also says it was unfit to use but thats beside the point.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every film composer ever does this.You think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes straight without making a mistake?Honestly? Yes, I think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes without making mistakes.Can you give some examples of cues where it's done this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Lionheart. The orchestral parts were done in Hungary, while the synthesizers were added in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 That's not exactly what I meant. You're talking about overdubbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Alright time for Mr. Spellecheck:Its Technique not Technic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every film composer ever does this.You think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes straight without making a mistake?Honestly? Yes, I think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes without making mistakes.Can you give some examples of cues where it's done this way?Silvestri's Back To The Future. It's Been Educational / Clock Tower part 1 / Clock Tower part 2 all overlap but were not recorded together.Giacchino's Star Trek. Hangar Management overlaps Enterprising Yong Men... they were not recorded together.Mancina's Speed 2. 6m27 Uh Oh, 6m27a Beach Montage, and 6m28 The Harbor all overlap but were recorded separately.Arnold's Independence Day. Many cues overlap each other but were recorded separately.Kamen's Die Hard has cues that overlapSilvestri's PredatorSuper 8. Spider-man 3.And this is all just off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Alright time for Mr. Spellecheck:Its Technique not Technic.Thanks Another great example is Cutthroat Island by Debney, forgot completely about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Every film composer ever does this.You think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes straight without making a mistake?A lot of classical pieces run longer than 8 minutes, and they're usually performed in full.Obviously with film there's more of a time issue, but it's also been done. Horner prefers to record his cues (even the long ones) in one take; I remember an interview around the time of Willow that said if someone made a mistake around the 5-minute mark, the whole thing would be taken from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 A lot of classical pieces run longer than 8 minutes, and they're usually performed in full.They are always clued from the shorter clips. Even the "Live" recordings(by the best orchestras in the world) are made from numerous live concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes often they will take the best parts of several takes and combine them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Honestly? Yes, I think there are orchestras that can play for 8 minutes without making mistakes.Very seldom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 But you have symphonies recorded where each movement is 30+ minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 It really depends how you define mistake. Orchestral playing is so much more complicated than just right note/wrong note. Many professional orchestras can play difficult, hour+ long pieces without completely flubbing any notes. Playing with the perfect intonation, articulation and energy is more elusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Williams is certainly not unique in using the overlapping technique. As mentioned it is more efficient in film scoring to build longer musical sequences from shorter cues and then edit them together. Especially when it is something as challenging to play as fast and complex action music etc. As a consequence the separate sections can sound rather awkward when heard on their own since they often lack a proper opening or ending or both when they are clearly meant to segue to another piece of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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