Justin 2 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 The ship going into the west was a GREAT ending, but nooo. We had to see Sam shutting his door. It was key to the story, you see.I thought the same thing at first but with the addition of the final bit. It showed the the story wasn't about the battles or the magic, and really it wasn't even about the ring. It was about two friends and their loyalty to each other. And to me that's what LOTR is all about. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Actually, what I meant was, why didn't they pick it up in ROTK?I thought they did. Faramir disappoints his father, and so he knowingly sends him into his death: off to ride to Osgiliath.- Marc, who had his mouth hanging open for at least 15 minutes straight turing the siege of Gondor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Has this ever been done before? A BBC production maybe? I think it would be great if they could do something like the NPR Star Wars Programs. Of course, with the movies already three and a half hours long, the radio versions might be 6 or 7. If they could get enough of the actors to come back, though, it might be just enough for that last LOTR fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 eh....i'm going to see it tonighthope it's as good as yinz say it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Did you realize Gimli in LotR is the same great actor as Sallah from Indiana Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Yeess.... And he's Treebeard as well.- Marc, who watched Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade just this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 This is a nice topic. :? Justin -Who noticed when he...looked at the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Temple of Doom has it trice.Them! has four. 1) Eowyn versus the witchking. Why was Gandalf so worried about him if all it look was stabbing him in the face?Because of the prophecy that no man could kill him. Eowyn could kill him because she was a woman, no man. And without Merry (no man but a halfling) stabbing him from behind first, she wouldn't have been able to do it either.Marian - going to see it again on Wednesday. The Return of the King (Howard Shore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Marian, i have a question. Of course Eowyn is not a man, but Merry is. Of course he did not kill him just injured him. I mean, he is a halfling, but then, the elven, Dwarf and any mage could have killed him too, the are not 'men' either. I dont remember if in the book they said merry could harm him because he was not a man, but then the fear of every middle earth dweller would not be right...I think the whole dethenor plot was too much adpated... AnNd Gandalf killing him was not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 He is unrecogniceable but i knew it since the begining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I've known since before I first saw FOTR, I can't even pinpoint exactly when I first found out. And Dr. Octopus from the new Spiderman is Alfred Molina (Sapito from Raiders of the Lost Ark). And Delbert Grady from The Shining is Philip Stone (Capt. Blumbertt from Temple of Doom). Admiral Ozzel from ESB was Hitler in LC. General Veers from ESB was Donovan in LC as well as the voice of Aragog in Chamber of Secrets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I thought John Rhys-Davies was the best thing about RotK (or the whole trilogy for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 nope, he was absolutely fantastic but not the best. They made him too comical after the hobbits got split up. Of course I am not biassed AT ALL about this but Orlando Bloom was the best...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I thing the undead are a little obsolete for 2003-4. They could have been like in Pirattes of the caribean The thing is, they're supposed to be ghosts, not zombies. I liked them the way they were, but if it were a bit more conform to the book, they'd be even more silhouetted and vague, barely visible, only as a dark grey spectre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I was really glad they didn't look like the pirates at all. When they were first explaining the cursed army, that was the first thing that hit me. Instead, they looked like a sort of '50s version of ghostly creatures, which fit really well. Much more surreal and scary, and as a result, more powerful looking.On the witchking:First, they should have gone into the prophecy that no man could kill him. I thought it was just a standard evil villain line when he said it. Also, from what I understand, Gandalf is not a man either. He's some sort of the spirit-energy being in the form of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug 0 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Re: To kill a NazgulIn the book, the scene is as follows:After Theoden is struck down, Eowyn (Dernhelm) stands between him and the Nazgul and they 'chat'. When she draws her sword Eowyn says: "Do what you will; but I will hinder it if I may"Nazgul: "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!"Eowyn: "But no living man am I!" etc.There is no mention of why Merry thinks he can affect the Nazgul, just that he feel s he has to do something to help her.Maybe the prophecy should have referred to 'the male of any species'!SmaugWho can't see the film for a while and is much relieved to be able to read about it (currently surrounded by people who know NOTHING about Tolkein and won't talk in case I reveal something from the next film). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Marian, i have a question. Of course Eowyn is not a man, but Merry is. Of course he did not kill him just injured him. I mean, he is a halfling, but then, the elven, Dwarf and any mage could have killed him too, the are not 'men' either. I dont remember if in the book they said merry could harm him because he was not a man, but then the fear of every middle earth dweller would not be right...To tell the truth, I was never sure of the meaning of "man" within this context. In any case, "man" obviously primarily referred to Eowyn being a woman, and I always assumed everyone in the story misinterpreted "no man" as "nobody".Except perhaps Gandalf. He seems to have expected that his task was to confront the Witch King (in the book, he does have a brief confrontation with him but is then told by Pipping about Denethor and Faramir). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 The Gimly character in the LOTR movies is not, by any means, the character Tolkien created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Did you realize Gimli in LotR is the same great actor as Sallah from Indiana Jones?Are you saying you never knew this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 How much longer will we have to wait, Stefancos, until you speak out about this movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I was just amazed they found a way for Legolas to be even more of a bad*ss than in the first two.Another thing that Puzzles me. Arent elven supposed to be sublte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Hey about the zombie or spirits thing... good point. I think they are fine as they are then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 How much longer will we have to wait, Stefancos, until you speak out about this movie?Until this moment, cause i have now returned from seeing it.I loved it, as I loved the other 2 films.A brilliant and sweeping epic that manages not to lose sight of it's story and characters amidst the special effects.I have only one major complaint:THE FILM IS FAR TO SHORT!Like TTT it feels like they really needed to tighten it up to get it up to a running time that allows cinema's to do multiple showings in one evening.But an extended version will come, and if it's anything like the extended versions of the other 2 films, it will allow the film some breathing room.I consider the cinema version as only a preview to the real version that is 11 months away.I have not seen the relugar versions of FOTR and TTT since the 8 DVD sets and i'll probably won't watch them again.All in all it's nice that there are still people who can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on special effects AND be able to give me a lump in my troath.Stefancos- who will now begin the decorating of the Green tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I'd rather like to have a white tree at home currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 All in all it's nice that there are still people who can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on special effects AND be able to give me a lump in my troath.That are my sentiments too...for different reasons... Luke, who thinks that the movies are good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I was very very very dissapointed with ROTK.And the ending...now that's cheesy. The movie isn't ven on the heels of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 That's very nice, Stefancos. Marian, you keep awfully quiet on the subject, considering how much you were expecting this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Marian hates the film, hates everything LOTR and is buring his 17 copies of the book right now.Stefancos- being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Indeed. Seriously, I've been posting brief comments here and there since I saw it, but I have to watch it again before I can write really long essays. Perhaps I'll go see it for the 2nd time tomorrow, but I'm not sure.Marian - who has only 3 copies of the book (and 4 of The Hobbit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 wow that's true fan isnt it?Hey stefan, how did you managed to put the hat on in your avatar? It is the same face! Are you using ILM?NoO match For Mr Breathmask WETA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 I own a digital camera.And a X-mas hat.Stefancos- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Seems like a pretty simple soulution. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeejaHalycon 0 Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 Say, does anyone know why Mortensen isn't on any of the commentaries? Is it a money thing? Does he just not want to do them? I mean, they even had Sean Bean and John Noble on TTT, for just that one scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that some of the Company were MIA on the commentaries. No Ian McKellen either.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 McKellen wasn't in the interviews either. I wish they hadn't had so many different recording sessions. They should have had 4-5 groups of 3-4, istead of only having Astin, Wood and Serkis and then having Boyd and Mognahan. Everyone else was alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Just got back from the 2nd viewing. Loved it even more. Still thought the weakest parts were The Pyre of Denathor and Gollum bouncing around on Frodo. Although the shots were a lot shorter than I remember. Also I loved Smeagol Vs. Deagol even more after viewing two, absoulutly fantastic. I love the pumping sound effect.Bring on viewing No. 3!!! Justin -Who thinks the final trek up Mount Doom is brilliance beyond words, you just can describe the surge of emotions. The movie going experience of a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Yeah Justin, those are some weak points. I also like the editing the least in this one. If they'd toned down the flashbacks and slow-motion stuff, they might have had more time so they could show Denethor's Palantír or other plot points that were now left out. I also felt they got to Mt Doom too fast after Cirith Ungol, but I hear that bit from the book where Frodo and Sam are forced to walk along with a band of Orcs is going to be in the EE.- Marc, who's going to see it a 2nd time today, this time, on a much larger screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I still defend the "final confrontation" between Frodo and Gollum. Ok, so it does look a BIT goofy, but the point is, they manage to get across what happens. How would you film a fight between a mad CGI creature and an invisible hobbit and still make it clear that Gollum bites off Frodo's finger?And there are several parts where I wasn't completely happy with the timing, but since I know the difference between TTT and TTT:EE, I won't complain about that before I've seen the full thing. Especially after those rumours that it might be longer than 4:50...Marian - hoping Denethor's and Aragorn's Palantir scenes are in the long version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I still defend the "final confrontation" between Frodo and Gollum. Ok, so it does look a BIT goofy, but the point is, they manage to get across what happens. How would you film a fight between a mad CGI creature and an invisible hobbit and still make it clear that Gollum bites off Frodo's finger?And there are several parts where I wasn't completely happy with the timing, but since I know the difference between TTT and TTT:EE, I won't complain about that before I've seen the full thing. Especially after those rumours that it might be longer than 4:50...Marian - hoping Denethor's and Aragorn's Palantir scenes are in the long version.1- Hiring ILM for the task? I dont know if it is, but it should have been done by putting Eliah Wood on a blue outfit (as serkis) and put serkis on top of Wood and then substituting Serkis with Gollum. It is was filmed that way then i cannot understand the strange movements they made.2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 1- Hiring ILM for the task?The CGI was fine. ILM would have done nothing diffrent. :roll: I think a good way of handling it would have been through the "Ring view" like in bree or Amon Hen. It would have been interesting to see it. Although I don't really hate the sequence I simply think it could have been done better. 2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled betterI didn't find the Boromir, Faramir, Denathor flashback to be funny at all.Justin -Who thinks the film needed a bit of humor though. 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Yeah, Ring Vision might have been a way. Or not those big overview shots, but just Gollum wrestling, and Frodo then suddenly re-appearing, screaming, with one bleading stump on his hand.- Marc, who just got back from a 2nd viewing. 8O David Arnold - 1969 -- We Came In Peace from Independence Day (OST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled betterFOTR:EE had some very nice scenes. TTT:EE was a massive improvement in timing issues and fleshing out the characters.Marian - who thinks TTT:EE was a FAR bigger improvement than FOTR:EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 I think the only big improvement was Faramir. The scene where Merry and Pippin find Saruman's secret stash is one of the worst in all three movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 What on earth is so bad about it, it fits with the characters, not to mention it explains how they got so filled up and drnk in ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 It's filmed as a Kevin Smith stoner scene. It's unfitting of the movies. And they are over acting- clearly, neither has been stoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 1- Hiring ILM for the task?The CGI was fine. ILM would have done nothing diffrent. :roll: I think a good way of handling it would have been through the "Ring view" like in bree or Amon Hen. It would have been interesting to see it. Although I don't really hate the sequence I simply think it could have been done better. 2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled betterI didn't find the Boromir, Faramir, Denathor flashback to be funny at all.Justin -Who thinks the film needed a bit of humor though. 1- If you say so... 2- That's one of the scenes i called truly important... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 The CGI was great. Lately- ILM has been very unimpressive. AoTC the Clones the most fake and sterile movie I've ever seen, with effects to match, and Minority Report had pretty routin SFX, except for the Spyder scene, which Spielberg didn't think ILM could do, so he gave it to PDI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Minority Report had very good special effects, but didn't flaunt them like most summer blockbusters seem to.I liked the way they were used in an almost matter of fact way (indeed, for people like Anderton, flying cars are as normal as regular cars are to us).Stefancos- who thinks MR was one of the best films of that year, and is already underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Lord of the Rings 3 is gonna kick major ass, baby!There's not even a LOTR 2 yet, far too early to worry about a LOTR 3.Marian - Well, you'd have to have common sense to understand, as far as the MPAA is concerned they're three separate movies, and just like you may refer to them as FOTR, TTT and ROTK (their initials), I choose to refer to them by the numbered order in which they were released: The first one, #1, the second one, #2, and so forth.And if you want to consider them as one, then you might as well sign a petition to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the Golden Globes and others that they should not consider in nominating a single award for these films since they're just one.Hector - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 I just dislike "LOTR 3" because it sounds like the second sequel to LOTR, whereas it is the third part...."LOTR part 3" would be a different story. Marian - who still prefers Tolkien's own naming: "The Return of the King, being the third part of The Lord of the Rings". ROTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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