Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Zimmer, Powell, JNH.JNH was never a composer that impressed me with his action writing (it's not bad, but it rarely makes me go "Wow"). His strenghts lie elsewhere.Ever seriously listened to Treasure Planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,355 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 You know, I've never listened to that one either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This is the sort of thing Giacchino tries to do but not as clumsy.... Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Though to be fair i don't consider most of Zimmer's stuff 'action' music, it's often just very fast, overprocessed electronic rock/pop hybrids like this 160BPM from ANGELS & DEMONS. He has long ventured past THE ROCK & Co., and even with more recent scores like AWE i suspect the slaves were responsible for most of the loud stuff. JNH has shown on occasion - HIDALGO, LADY IN THE WATER, LAST AIRBENDER - that he is the heir apparent of Goldsmith though he never gets beyond the 40% mark. A lot of his electronic action stuff (GREEN LANTERN, SNOW WHITE) is truly terrible.Powell is the most distinctive of the lot, for sure - and stuff like KNIGHT AND DAY show he's a stylish, witty fellow but when he writes outright action stuff it often is hyperkinetic and obnoxious. Just too much and too loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Who would be your pick as best (living) action composer, pub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This is one of the single best action cues I'm aware of. Outrageous. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Though to be fair i don't consider most of Zimmer's stuff 'action' music, it's often just very fast, overprocessed electronic rock/pop hybrids like this 160BPM from ANGELS & DEMONS. He has long ventured past THE ROCK & Co., and even with more recent scores like AWE i suspect the slaves were responsible for most of the loud stuff. JNH has shown on occasion - HIDALGO, LADY IN THE WATER, LAST AIRBENDER - that he is the heir apparent of Goldsmith though he never gets beyond the 40% mark. A lot of his electronic action stuff (GREEN LANTERN, SNOW WHITE) is truly terrible.Powell is the most distinctive of the lot, for sure - and stuff like KNIGHT AND DAY show he's a stylish, witty fellow but when he writes outright action stuff it often is hyperkinetic and obnoxious. Just too much and too loud.Thor? Is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 But hates noisy music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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publicist 4,643 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Who would be your pick as best (living) action composer, pub?Hard to say, there are so many mutually exclusive ways to score action these days, the old-style Silvestri/sometime JNH-style of TREASURE PLANET, the purely electronic style (hear CHAPPIE & Co.), the Marvel/Tyler stuff that is an outrage of its own, the melodramatic Horner style and so on. Forced with a shotgun i'd choose Powell for exactly the kind of cues TGP posted - also a lot of Bourne, and even the ripoffs like NOW YOU SEE ME etc. Though i always turn of when he goes into battle armed with cacophonic artillery (say those later action cues from HTTYD).But hates noisy musicJust for you i throw in a solemn gaze at THE RELIGIOUS SOUND and profess my utter dismay that Alexandre Desplat is alive. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Desplat [still has] harmonic shackles to break out of.Could you elaborate more on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 An extract of the interview of Alexandre Desplats (French pronunciation: [a.lɛk.'sɑ̃dʁ dɛs.'pla]) given to Radio-Classique, March 15, 2015.Mr. Desplats is asked when his passion for film music began.« Ça se dessine à mesure que je me passionne pour le cinéma, à partir de 14-15 ans et où je vois beaucoup de films chaque semaine. Et où je me rend compte que la musique dansces films est de la vraie musique, ce n'est pas seulement un accompagnement. Et donc je peux citer bien sûr tous ces merveilleux musiciens que j'adorais : Maurice Jarre, Delerue,Nino Rota, Alex North ou Jerry Goldsmith et John Williams. Et puis, je croisque la partition de Star Wars de John Williams c'est un peu la clé. Parceque dans cette partition, il y a toute l'histoire de la musique du 20e siècle qui est réunie et qui m'attire vraiment. J'ai toujours aimé la musique du 20e siècle plus queles autres. » - Alexandre DesplatsMy own personal translation:"It has emerged where I became passionate for cinema, when I was 14-15 years oldand where I saw a lot of movies each week. And when I realized that the music inthese films is real music, not only an accompaniment. And so I can of coursecite all these wonderful musicians that I loved: Maurice Jarre, Delerue,Nino Rota, Alex North or Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams. And then I thinkthat the score of Star Wars by John Williams is a key. Becausein this partition, there is the history of all the 20th century music reunited andthat really attracts me. I've always loved the music of the 20th century more thanthe others." - Alexandre Desplats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Desplat [still has] harmonic shackles to break out of.Could you elaborate more on this?I NEED TO KNOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Sorry, totally missed it. What I mean is that there are too many moments where he relies on those cloying familiar harmonic schemes. I guess he could just *like* that and won't ever stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Examples? (GOLDEN COMPAS, since it's your most recent trip to Desplat land). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm sure he'll be closely studying what Williams does with The Force Awakens.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 No. That won't work. No one can truly copy JW.Star Wars cannot move forward with that mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Why?Because he's a fan.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Does it need to move forward?It must evolve. Star Wars has reached the end of this universe and it must evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 More Sequels! Merging with other franchises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Examples? (GOLDEN COMPAS, since it's your most recent trip to Desplat land).This sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Examples? (GOLDEN COMPAS, since it's your most recent trip to Desplat land).This sort of thing. That slip from B6 to BbM7 is quite lovely. Very Delerue.I thought your complaints were directed at Desplat's action writing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 That's more Giacchino. Desplat just gets a little uninteresting in some of these smaller moments. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 No, I quite agree. That's why contrary to Pubs's wishes, I'm hoping ROGUE ONE will be thunderous and bombastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I guess the title implies that more than a slow, ethereal mood haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 It should be like 80% Rebel Fanfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Rebel Fanfare meets acid jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 There are parts of MONUMENTS MAN (Finale) that indicate Desplat can do a huge beefy Hollywood-type of sound but action music is a different requirement altogether. Even technical pros like him often overwrite terribly there, lots of shenanigans, clusters etc. but there's almost never a convincing throughline, for lack of better words, a musical concept. I would love to be proven wrong, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Love to prove that, wouldn't ya? Get your name.....oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So, i been thinking.. (maybe you already discussed this..but i didnt read it)In the spin off movies, if they are set like this one in the rebellion era, with musical themes so engrained in our brains... they will have to stick with the rebel fanfare, the imperial motif and marches, right?I mean how can they show an imperial star destroyer without the imperial march...If a jedi is involved the force theme should be used some time. Same if the emperor of darth vader appear (with their respective themes).If they make the Yoda spin off, they have to use his theme...etc etc.What about the opening crawl, do you think they will ditch it altogether? Almost all the videogames prior to disney went really well with the opening crawl (even some comics) for 30 years.... Only the "Episode XX" thing was missing. Lucas couldnt even change the music in the prequels (it is Luke's theme and doesnt make much sense)What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 My hope would be that they'll lose the opening crawl. The crawl is good to catch us up for the "Episodes," and I think it should be continued there for tradition, but I don't think it's needed for the spin-offs. Viewers have enough of a shorthand with the Star Wars universe now, about the main conflicts, etc, that I think a movie can begin in media res and the viewer will be able to catch up. Also, personally, I want to hear some new Main Titles music in the SW vein, so I guess selfishly I want it to go away for the spin-offs.I'm beginning to fear that we'll get an opening crawl for every movie, though. So far every Marvel issue of Star Wars, Darth Vader, and Princess Leia has opened with a crawl. Every canon novel as well, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stewdog1 50 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is a film that I am extremely interested in. Since it is called Rogue One, I would assume that it will be focused on Wedge. If it is anything like the X-wing novels, then it should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Maybe. Look what I just found on wikipedia:Denis Lawson confirmed in May 2014 that he was asked to reprise the role of Wedge in the upcoming Star Wars: The Force Awakens; however, he turned it down, saying that it would have "bored him".[5] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 That was in some film blog a few days ago, but I don't blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Havent any of you liked the opening crawls of all the videogames out there?For me it always was part of the charm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm sure this has been suggested already, but what if they kept the opening crawl but changed the music to be the theme of whoever/whatever the main character/group is? Like if we got a Yoda spin-off, it could be the opening crawl version of Yoda's theme, or if we got a Han Solo spin-off, it could be silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I like that idea! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Ok the crawl can go..maybe... but what you do think about using Williams music for characters or factions he has composed music for.Do you think they should use his themes or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You can't have a movie about Rogue Squadron without the Rebel fanfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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