bruce marshall 1,310 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Actually, they should stop writing film music to avoid insulting people. Jewish , male writing ethnic music = cultural appropriation 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Thor said: Maybe not at the very top, but I've usually seen it alongside the other critically acclaimed Goldsmith scores, also by people who aren't necessarily film score fans - it's CHINATOWN, PATTON, PLANET OF THE APES, ALIEN, BASIC INSTINCT. And PAPILLON. They seem to have the biggest 'clout' in terms of artistic signficance. Not so often THE OMEN, STAR TREK, GREMLINS or other more popular fare. I agree with you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Lewya said: Papillon is well-regarded, but I don't hear it singled out as Jerry Goldsmith's finest. I see that it ranks among his better scores sure, but not at the top, not top 3. Regardless of how it's regarded (by whom, anyway), it's certainly an ace score, intelligently conceived and helping the movie immeasurably in the poetry department. Goldsmith wistful waltz elevates the tale of doomed people and the cruel conditions in several key instances beyond the images, the action cues are also remarkably savage and brutal, fitting the surrounding. The only sour ingredient is a Les-Baxterish piece of Hollywood exotica for a 10-minute love interlude of McQueen and his native girl, but it's also the worst part of the movie. Bespin, Edmilson, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,417 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 To be more specific, I think the theme is very much a musical image of their lust for freedom in dire circumstances. Its wistfulness (or bittersweetness) signals that that their fate is unknown - but that it's also 'open' and hopeful. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,352 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I really love Papillon. One of my favorite from Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,894 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I watched Timeline yesterday. Horribly bland movie scored by the uncompromisingly dull Brian Tyler. But I was shocked to hear how good Goldsmith's rejected score to this lousy film was. Why was his far better score replaced by the far inferior and consistently mundane Tyler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,315 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, karelm said: I watched Timeline yesterday. Horribly bland movie scored by the uncompromisingly dull Brian Tyler. But I was shocked to hear how good Goldsmith's rejected score to this lousy film was. Why was his far better score replaced by the far inferior and consistently mundane Tyler? According to the filmtracks review, the film was reworked, and Jerry didnt want to rescore anything further at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 19 hours ago, Thor said: To be more specific, I think the theme is very much a musical image of their lust for freedom in dire circumstances. Its wistfulness (or bittersweetness) signals that that their fate is unknown - but that it's also 'open' and hopeful. I saw it more as a figment of their old life, but there you go. 4 hours ago, karelm said: I watched Timeline yesterday. Horribly bland movie scored by the uncompromisingly dull Brian Tyler. But I was shocked to hear how good Goldsmith's rejected score to this lousy film was. Why was his far better score replaced by the far inferior and consistently mundane Tyler? The face-saving lie was that Jerry couldn't do it, though the truth was that the movie tested horribly and the score also got negative reactions in screenings and Paramount, in true fashion, decided the whole thing could work brilliantly if they just put on a new, more hip composer ét voila, Tyler (on recommendation of William Friedkin, afair). Big surprise, it still sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 How come test audiences didn't like the Goldsmith score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 The fake ram's horn, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I thought that was pretty cool. What's these people's problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,417 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 TIMELINE is certainly not Richard Donner's shining hour, but I think it's fun. Goldsmith's rejected score is rather lacklustre and streamlined like most of his 2000s efforts, but still better than Tyler's (whose flashy and void action music I've never been able to stomach). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 It has a lot of fine, detailed, if conventional, adventure moments. Though I remain partial to the Hollow Man and the aria in Sum of all Fears, two things that actually feel like Goldsmith found a different vibe in the new millennium that probably would have flourished if cancer didn't strike him. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 What else from say 2004 to 2010 might Goldsmith have done? I can only think of Joe Dante's The Hole, possibly Black Book, or any of Curtis Hanson's flicks from that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Who knows, those you mentioned might have been to below-the-radar to secure JG services, so probably two or three big pictures form the action/adventure mold and a few dark horses á la Powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 He would have been winding down a lot at that time anyway. Hollyweird might not have been as interested in his output given the direction the industry was headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,417 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 In addition to any new project from his old and regular collaborators, I'm sure he would have been approached by some young filmmaker wanting the legend's classic sound. We've seen that with other veteran composers over the last two decades -- like David Shire, Gerald Fried, Michel Legrand etc. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Sure, but Drax is right, more lectures, concerts and workshops, mentor role, probably, and few assignments. Discount all Spielberg/Lucas collaborations from Williams' resume and not a lot is left, either, Horner also was low profile after 2005, Barry & Co. non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,384 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 10:23 AM, Jurassic Shark said: OK. I recently ordered this. Do anybody know if it's a good release of the score, sound-wise? It is the OST plus four additional tracks from the film stem, hence ugly fade-ins/fade-outs and wrong pitch. The sadly strictly limited Quartet Records release is one of the best releases they ever did. By the way, for me the score is Top 5 Goldsmith. Such a thoroughly composed and emotionally subtle work. Jurassic Shark and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,993 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: It is the OST plus four additional tracks from the film stem, hence ugly fade-ins/fade-outs and wrong pitch. Bummer. At least I can delete those non-OST tracks on my CD player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,559 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 12:25 AM, Jurassic Shark said: How well regarded is the score to Papillon? @Yavar Moradi? Sorry for the late reply, but I think it's one of Goldsmith's greatest scores. Probably top 10 for me. For my colleague Clark at The Goldsmith Odyssey, it is his #1 favorite Goldsmith score. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,310 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 hours ago, publicist said: It has a lot of fine, detailed, if conventional, adventure moments. Though I remain partial to the Hollow Man and the aria in Sum of all Fears, two things that actually feel like Goldsmith found a different vibe in the new millennium that probably would have flourished if cancer didn't strike him. Yeah. HOLLOW MAN really stands out amongst his latter output! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I didn't see the video on this thread earlier, so here it is. First time I've seen orchestral contractor Isobel Griffiths. She's cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,310 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I just received the 2015 Intrada IN HARMS WAY.* The claim at the time was it was a BIG improvement over the SLCD release, having been taken from original stereo LP masters. NOT to.my ears. Intrada is very subdued while the SLCD I bright an punchy. Any thoughts? *I know INTRADA has since reissued it with music taken from three track session masters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 382 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Technically, this is a Blu-ray update, but I thought it made sense to include it here, since the score is well-known and distinctive: Freud is at last coming to home video in North America (in Blu-ray, no less!), according to The Digital Bits Quote Also coming in 2021 from KL Studio Classics are Peter Hunt’s Wild Geese II (1985) and John Huston’s Freud: The Secret Passion (1962). https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/101520-1400 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,351 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 8:39 PM, Matt C said: I didn't see the video on this thread earlier, so here it is. First time I've seen orchestral contractor Isobel Griffiths. She's cute. What on earth possessed Goldsmith into thinking a ponytail was a good look for him? Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,260 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bayesian said: What on earth possessed Goldsmith into thinking a ponytail was a good look for him? It was the source of all his powers...don't diss the ponytail ;-) To be fair, compared to his bouffant 80's look, it's a considerable improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 8:53 AM, bruce marshall said: I just received the 2015 Intrada IN HARMS WAY.* The claim at the time was it was a BIG improvement over the SLCD release, having been taken from original stereo LP masters. NOT to.my ears. Intrada is very subdued while the SLCD I bright an punchy. Any thoughts? *I know INTRADA has since reissued it with music taken from three track session masters People always rush to claim the latest remaster sounds better, usually as a coping mechanism to justify their purchase. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 @Datameister Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,030 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Someone's been taking some naughty photos! I have no idea how a (rather messy) re-engraving of my old arrangement ended up down there. It caught me totally by surprise the first time I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,993 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 hours ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: People always rush to claim the latest remaster sounds better, usually as a coping mechanism to justify their purchase. Rationalisation in action. 6 hours ago, Bayesian said: What on earth possessed Goldsmith into thinking a ponytail was a good look for him? He was probably too busy scoring movies to get a haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Two 80's Goldsmith interviews i didn't know: MikeH and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,310 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Finally found a copy of SHOCK TREATMENT/FATE IS THE HUNTER. Bought mostly for ST, which has been upgraded to stereo and expanded from the GOLDSMITH AT FOX box. I love early GOLDSMITH like FREUD, TZ, THRILLER, SECONDS, TREATMENT Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,993 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Through a series of fortunate events I ended up with a copy of Varese Sarabande's release of Goldie's The Red Pony. It seems to be a well regarded score. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,417 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 It's OK. Coplandesque, as one would expect. But I hardly ever play it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,559 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Through a series of fortunate events I ended up with a copy of Varese Sarabande's release of Goldie's The Red Pony. It seems to be a well regarded score. Any thoughts? It’s a friggin’ masterpiece. Actually sounds nothing like Copland’s score for the earlier The Red Pony, but I understand what Thor means by “Coplandesque”, i.e. warm Americana. There’s also some harrowing modernist writing — try “The Buzzards”. If you end up loving the score as I do, I also recommend the four cue suite conducted by James Fitzpatrick at the end of the complete Tadlow recording of Hour of the Gun. Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,993 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: It’s a friggin’ masterpiece. Actually sounds nothing like Copland’s score for the earlier The Red Pony, but I understand what Thor means by “Coplandesque”, i.e. warm Americana. There’s also some harrowing modernist writing — try “The Buzzards”. If you end up loving the score as I do, I also recommend the four cue suite conducted by James Fitzpatrick at the end of the complete Tadlow recording of Hour of the Gun. Yavar It's actually five cues, but I doubt I'll be getting that rerecording since the samples from Hour of the Gun didn't appeal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,559 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's actually five cues, but I doubt I'll be getting that rerecording since the samples from Hour of the Gun didn't appeal to me. Hour of the Gun is a grower. A rather spare downer of a score, but with a great deal of depth you appreciate the more you listen. Kind of the polar opposite of The Red Pony, to be honest, which makes them pretty interesting discmates from the same basic genre... Yavar bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,993 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 So The Red Pony is somewhere between OK and a friggin' masterpiece. I wonder what @Nils thinks. Btw, @Yavar Moradi, have you covered the score yet in your podcast? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,310 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just sold WILD ROVERS/LAST RUN. You had your chance, cheapskates! 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,559 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: So The Red Pony is somewhere between OK and a friggin' masterpiece. I wonder what @Nils thinks. Btw, @Yavar Moradi, have you covered the score yet in your podcast? LOL we are still in The Epic TV Year 1961. But we did just cover an excellent western score -- Jerry's only time scoring something with Clint Eastwood:https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/6464008-episode-28-rawhide-incident-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-1961 This is actually the 2nd half of a conversation we had with composer Carlos Rafael Rivera (The Queen's Gambit, Godless). We meant for the interview portion to just open the show for half an hour, but that grew into a two hour full interview since we all loved him and The Queen's Gambit so much. Really insightful stuff there if you want to check it out:https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/6049561-odyssey-interviews-carlos-rafael-rivera I really need to update the podcast thread... Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,466 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I listened to the original score of "Islands in the Stream", twice. Great music, someday I hope to watch the movie too. There are artifacts here and there and some bad analog edits, I assume it's normal for a '77 score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,194 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It's possible those analog edits heard on the 2010 FSM edition could be cleaned up with modern technology for a future re-issue Don't forget that Jerry re-recorded the score for an album in 1986 that is available on the Intrada label http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4529/.f Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,417 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Bespin said: I listened to the original score of "Islands in the Stream", twice. Great music, someday I hope to watch the movie too. There are artifacts here and there and some bad analog edits, I assume it's normal for a '77 score... I always hear the Dolly Parton/Kenny Rogers song in my head every time I see that title, but great score. I remember I got it after so many people raved about it (allegedly also among the composer's own favourite scores) several years ago, but was then surprised to find that it was quite abrasive at times; not the lyrical, lowkey score I had expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,466 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's possible those analog edits heard on the 2010 FSM edition could be cleaned up with modern technology for a future re-issue Don't forget that Jerry re-recorded the score for an album in 1986 that is available on the Intrada label http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4529/.f I know there was a re-recording, but didn't know it was recorded by him, interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,194 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 The score never got an OST album in '77 so the '86 album is the closest thing there is to one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It lacks the exciting action cue from the end, though, so the album feels a bit anti-climactic. The hammerhead shark attack cue (Is Ten Too Old?) is a great calypso counterpoint to JW's jaws theme. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,194 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I would speculate when FSM's 5000 copies of the film recordings finally sell out, Intrada might license them and make a new 2CD set with a redone and remastered versions of those on one disc and the '86 recording on the other disc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 There's enough of that, I want my re-recording of: Unlucky Bastard and Tom Guernsey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,194 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Hopefully all Jerry scores that warrant new editions are in the works somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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