A24 4,331 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Anyway, if the rumors are true then Disney surely doesn't waste time. The "impossible" is suddenly not so impossible anymore, or so it seems. Do the Star Wars experts of JWfan think there is a lot of money to be made with the release of a restored original OT? Or is it that Disney simply doesn't agree with Lucas' so-called 'definite version' theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 There is definitely a lot of money to be made, with the right marketing, and with the nostalgia push that Episode VII seems to be making as well - using original trilogy concept art for many of their designs, using practical effects, bringing back those characters, etc. I can see the commercials now: "See the Star Wars trilogy, as it was originally meant to be seen!" I could also see some sort of theatrical releases in the months leading up to Episode VII, which is very little cost up-front (advertising-only, really, especially since they wouldn't have to run off film prints) for what is likely to be substantial profit - plus it would serve as promotion for their new movie coming out next December.This is assuming, of course, that Disney has struck some sort of deal with Fox to release these. Fox owns Star Wars in perp, and they hold the distribution rights of the other five for a few more years, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm sure that Disney would have worked something out with Fox. They've got a lot of money to make a deal with them. At least they're taking their time on restoring / remastering things.I didn't mind some of the upgrades for Star Wars (especially the whole Battle Of Yavin) in the Special Edition...other than that horrid Jabba scene. The changes to Empire (except the corrected Palpatine and Vader scene) and Jedi sucked...especially when they added Hayden Anakin at the end of ROTJ. I mean seriously what was George thinking with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Who's bigger and more powerful, Disney or Murdoch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It will be interesting to see how they do it, if they do it - will they go with the "original theatrical versions," meaning that Star Wars won't have "Episode IV" or "A New Hope" on it? Or the later rereleases with those changes. They could theoretically do some seamless branching.I wouldn't mind them leaving some of the VFX fixes (matte lines removed, transparent snowspeeder cockpits opaqued, etc) - the kind of stuff that was cleaned up in other films' DVD versions (such as Raiders of the Lost Ark's reflection removal in the snake pit) without negative feedback, but that kind of revisionism with Star Wars would probably irritate a vocal group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 They can't do seamless branching if the SE's they release conform to the Lucas ones with radically different color grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And the SEs are slightly cropped compared to the theatricals too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if the matte line and other similar fixes were also done to this new blu ray version, and that it says Episode 4 A New Hope at the beginning... but via some easter egg on the menu somewhere, you can launch a version with out Episode 4 A New Hope, and with the original untouched effects as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Why would one wanna see matte lines? Or transparency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Beats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 They can't do seamless branching if the SE's they release conform to the Lucas ones with radically different color grading.Which is precisely the main reason I dislike the SEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 There are "fans" who will refuse to buy it of it doesnt have the unmodified effects.The Mouse will have raped their childhood memories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I want it unaltered as well. It's also a matter of principle for me. Should we " fix" the effects on the original King Kong? I'm not opposed to filmmakers constantly tweaking their films but the original theatrical cuts should be available as well. The Close Encounters of the Third Kind set is the absolutely perfect way to do it. It had excellent presentations of the theatrical, special edition and director's cut. It's wonderful and should be the standard that releases from "tinkering" directors judge against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well, I would probably buy such a release, but not necessarily right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I want it unaltered as well. It's also a matter of principle for me. Should we " fix" the effects on the original King Kong? I'm not opposed to filmmakers constantly tweaking their films but the original theatrical cuts should be available as well. The Close Encounters of the Third Kind set is the absolutely perfect way to do it. It had excellent presentations of the theatrical, special edition and director's cut. It's wonderful and should be the standard that releases from "tinkering" directors judge against.Haven't we already read this before? But yes, you're absolutely right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 There are "fans" who will refuse to buy it of it doesnt have the unmodified effects.I refuse to read and comprehend double negatives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I want it unaltered as well. It's also a matter of principle for me. Should we " fix" the effects on the original King Kong? I'm not opposed to filmmakers constantly tweaking their films but the original theatrical cuts should be available as well. The Close Encounters of the Third Kind set is the absolutely perfect way to do it. It had excellent presentations of the theatrical, special edition and director's cut. It's wonderful and should be the standard that releases from "tinkering" directors judge against.Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I want it unaltered as well. It's also a matter of principle for me.Specifically, what principle is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm not opposed to filmmakers constantly tweaking their films but the original theatrical cuts should be available as well.I initially read this as twerking. Changes things on a completely satisfying level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/08/why-this-weekends-latest-unaltered-star-wars-trilogy-rumor-isnt-true/If Lucas still owns final cut privileges on all 6 movies (and there's a good chance he does) then I can't see this ever happening. This may be a trivial bit of info but there's a Disney Store exclusive talking Boba Fett figure coming out shortly and it has Tem Morrison's re-dubs and not the original voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 As an Oceana local, the Kiwi accent just sounds wrong in SW. It might be a matter of cultural cringe, but accents in a galaxy far, far away should only be UK or American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes, that big should limit it's accents.... No, sorry. I just think that's a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Okay, any accent but Australia and New Zealand. It just sounds daggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeshift Python 22 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The 1997 version no longer exists!It should be restored and released on Blu ray!The negatives should currently be the 1997 versions, as all the later editions were done entirely in the digital realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The Despecialized is so close to the real thing that I don't care if George keeps final cut on his movies and vetoes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I would love to have them in 1080 though. But considering some of the sources used, that isnt possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The 97 special edition releases are the current form of the physical film, with the 2004 DVD and 2011 Blu-Ray releases were done on a 1080p digital master. The original films need to be restored from the surviving elements, inter positives and/or secondary print sources, as the original edit largely no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 A 1080 remaster? they didnt even scan it in 4K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 It was based off of a 1993 restoration, and that was the resolution ILM used for the effects back in 97. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/08/why-this-weekends-latest-unaltered-star-wars-trilogy-rumor-isnt-true/If Lucas still owns final cut privileges on all 6 movies (and there's a good chance he does) then I can't see this ever happening.Of course Lucas still has final cuts of his films and will always have until he's alive. It's well known that he considers the original theatrical releases no more than workprints. Disney nor anyone else will ever release anything against his will.Enjoy your despecialized fan edits and get over with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Actually, Lucasfilm owns the films, Lucas got to do his tinkering etc. as owner of Lucasfilm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Actually, Lucasfilm owns the films, Lucas got to do his tinkering etc. as owner of Lucasfilm.And Disney now owns Lucasfilm, yes. But that doesn't automatically mean they will do whatever they want with the property. Think about how they're dealing with the Marvel stuff. It's pretty much the same for Lucasfilm, albeit even tighter. For Disney, dealing with these things is very much like the elephant walking in the glassware. They will NEVER do anything that would go against the creator's wishes only because they "smell money" on it. Lucas still has final say on many things Star Wars, even though he's not the actual owner anymore, so unless something drastically changed in-house that we still don't know about (but it's VERY unlikely), we can kiss goodnight to any official release of the OT theatrical cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Disney doesnt own Marvel though. They only distribute their films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Disney doesnt own Marvel though. They only distribute their films.Wrong. Disney acquired Marvel Entertainment Group in 2009 for more than 4 billion dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I'm not so sure. Lucas is out of the picture except as a consultant. He's also shown willingness to give us the UOT, as evidenced by the version on the Bonus disks for the DVD releases, he simply didn't want to spend the time and money on restoring what he considers work print versions of the films. Also, Disney are not stupid, and neither are Lucasfilm. They also have an opportunity to win back part of the fan base by giving them what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Lucas is out of the picture except as a consultant.Not as much as you think, sorry.And no matter what that part of the fan base wish or would like to buy in terms of Blu-ray releases, in the end they will all line up to see the new film in Dec. 2015. That's what Disney is very focused on at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,283 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Actually, Lucasfilm owns the films, Lucas got to do his tinkering etc. as owner of Lucasfilm.And Disney now owns Lucasfilm, yes. But that doesn't automatically mean they will do whatever they want with the property. Think about how they're dealing with the Marvel stuff. It's pretty much the same for Lucasfilm, albeit even tighter. For Disney, dealing with these things is very much like the elephant walking in the glassware. They will NEVER do anything that would go against the creator's wishes only because they "smell money" on it. Lucas still has final say on many things Star Wars, even though he's not the actual owner anymore, so unless something drastically changed in-house that we still don't know about (but it's VERY unlikely), we can kiss goodnight to any official release of the OT theatrical cuts.Also let's not forget Fox still owns the distribution rights to EMPIRE and JEDI until 2020, and STAR WARS in perpetuity. They're still in the driver's seat on these matters and Disney would have to make this extremely lucrative for them. Not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Lucas is out of the picture except as a consultant.Not as much as you think, sorry.And no matter what that part of the fan base wish or would like to buy in terms of Blu-ray releases, in the end they will all line up to see the new film in Dec. 2015. That's what Disney is very focused on at the moment.And you know this how?So what if they piss off Lucas? He can throw a hissy fit all he wants, it's not his company anymore. He thought $4billion was more important than his life's work, and he lost any right to control what Disney does. If they want to put an addendum in front of the prequels apologizing to the audience for the next two hours of their lives being wasted there is nothing that he can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 If Lucas still has final cut over those films, and if Fox still owns them till 2020 then it simply wint happen.No matter how much fans want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 If Lucas still has final cut over those films, and if Fox still owns them till 2020 then it simply wint happen.No matter how much fans want itThat's the real reason it won't happen, of course. Making a billionaire not cry himself to sleep is hardly the reason it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,283 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The only thing I can think is Fox may wind up deciding to do it before the sequels revert to Disney. Who knows after 2020, but it'll be much more difficult to get a comprehensive release going at that point because Fox will never give up Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 But again, does Fox have the right to do it or does Lucas hold final cut. Also, if Lucasfilm has the negatives, and Disney now owns Lucasfilm... Could Fox do it without Disney working with them on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeshift Python 22 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 A 1080 remaster? they didnt even scan it in 4K?given that the latter two prequels were shot with 1080p cameras, I suppose Lucas thought that was good enough then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 A 1080 remaster? they didnt even scan it in 4K?given that the latter two prequels were shot with 1080p cameras, I suppose Lucas thought that was good enough then.I bet he thought "wow, it's never gonna look any better than this!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 So what if they piss off Lucas? He can throw a hissy fit all he wants, it's not his company anymore. He thought $4billion was more important than his life's work, and he lost any right to control what Disney does. If they want to put an addendum in front of the prequels apologizing to the audience for the next two hours of their lives being wasted there is nothing that he can do about it.No, sorry, it doesn't work that way at all. Ownership doesn't automatically mean an appropriation of intellectual property rights in relation to authorship. Lucas is still the writer, director and original producer of the existent Star Wars films (EpI-VI), hence he still holds to the creative rights associated with it (the new movies are a different matter, as they're being made under the new ownership and Lucas doesn't have apparently any kind of key creative role as writer and/or producer).We go into heady lawyer stuff here and of course I don't know the specifics of the agreement made between LFL and Disney when the acquisition was made. I can only make assumptions like you, but it's very likely that all these kind of details were matter of discussion of the overall contract and were settled among the parts. And the reason is very simple: none of the parts want make a false step in the eye of the other, as the consequences could be very displeasing.Given that Lucas told publicly (and adamantly) more than once that the versions of the movies he wants to be out are the Special Editions, it's quite safe to assume that nobody wants go against his will. And not because they just don't want "to piss off a billionaire", but because the worst-case scenario could be a lawsuit filed against them, as Lucas probably still can exercise his own intellectual property rights attached to the movies. Add to this the already mentioned tricky situation of the distribution rights still holding at 20th Century Fox and you realize why it's very unlikely we'll see the original theatrical cuts released in home video formats in the foreseeable future. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I know that it's a pipe-dream, but I'd like to see some sort of distribution deal between The Mouse, and 20th Century Fox.The thought of losing the Fox logo, and it's music, is...unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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