Lewya 360 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Apparently Shore is going to have an AMA on reddit on tuesday, 4 pm EST. Check the side bar here - https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/Get your questions ready! Haha, ask about King Kong, Complete Recordings and the use of Nazgul theme in An Unexpected Journey xD I'm going to ask him why he isn't on Twitter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ask him about the Company/Misty Mountains theme! Bombard him with all manners of awkward questions! He's done nothing to deserve our tact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 These are all good questions. I hope someone's compiling a list of these. We should also ask him why he hates New Zealand and NZSO so much that he couldn't be seen dead recording at the Wellington Town Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I wanna ask why we don't hear the Thorin vs. Azog theme again in BotFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I wanna ask why we don't hear the Thorin vs. Azog theme again in BotFA!What I really want to know is why the awesome Thorin vs. Azog theme from the film version wasn't used again in BOFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Why didn't they just make An Ancient Enemy The Thorin V Azog music actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I wanna ask why we don't hear the Thorin vs. Azog theme again in BotFA!What I really want to know is why the awesome Thorin vs. Azog theme from the film version wasn't used again in BOFA.Nebabithama, magananeNetabdam daurad Nepam ned abarat-aglar ido Nidir nenakham Bari 'n Katharad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Remember Howard Shore's AMA on Reddit at 4PM EST, so 9PM UK time, fuck knows everywhere else. There are certain questions he needs to be asked. The mystery of the Misty Mountains/Company theme must be one of them.We need to think of other, serious questions before it starts. This opportunity doesn't come up too often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 There is no mystery. Shore wrote one theme for the film but it was soon decided to use Misty Mountains theme. By the second film there was no room for either as both Thorin and House of Durin fulfill the same role and fit the tone better. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I don't buy that Shore wrote a main theme (that heard in 'Edge of the Wild') and that it was replaced by the Misty Mountains theme. He used the MM theme to notable effect in the first trailer. I expect he always planned to integrate it, but alongside his main theme, so that the two would work in balance (so Misty Mountains dominates in 'The World is Ahead', his theme dominates in 'Edge of the Wild'). But things changed.And like BB I have a problem with accepting that it was simply dropped because it was no longer deemed suitable after AUJ. There has to be something more there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Agreed. The MM theme is the main theme for the company, the so-called "original company theme" is a Journey Theme for their adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Maybe they just didn't like the sound of it? I reckon it's quite a weak one to be honest.Karol Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You think the Journey theme is weak? Blasphemy! It's my favorite theme of the trilogy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I don't buy that Shore wrote a main theme (that heard in 'Edge of the Wild') and that it was replaced by the Misty Mountains theme. He used the MM theme to notable effect in the first trailer. I expect he always planned to integrate it, but alongside his main theme, so that the two would work in balance (so Misty Mountains dominates in 'The World is Ahead', his theme dominates in 'Edge of the Wild'). But things changed.And like BB I have a problem with accepting that it was simply dropped because it was no longer deemed suitable after AUJ. There has to be something more there.Who can fathom the unfathomable depths of Peter Jackson's brain? The song was always there as it was composed very early for the dwarves to sing so I am sure Shore was asked to interpolate it to this trailer music and after that to the score of the first film. Shore must have written his own theme but PJ probably thought the MM theme worked so well he decided to have Shore use it more extensively. Seeing the whole scoring show on AUJ it is no wonder. These things happen. In DoS the decision was made to discard it for what ever reason and I am sure it was mutually agreed upon by PJ and Shore.And the geography is not the point or reason of discarding the MM theme. It is the idea of almost everything familiar disappearing when they cross the mountains, including the theme for the company from the first film which was their rallying call. PJ mentions this even in the DoS music documentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 And like BB I have a problem with accepting that it was simply dropped because it was no longer deemed suitable after AUJ. There has to be something more there.Well, that's not exactly what I said.You pulled me up on that just because I questioned your skill in analogies didn't you? Admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I really would have liked for the Misty Mountains theme to make one appearance in BOFA, at some point during the battle. I am fine with the Journey theme disappearing after they arrive in Lake-town, but it should have not been discarded entirely. I also wouldn't have said no to a cameo for Bilbo's return journey home somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You think the Journey theme is weak? Blasphemy! It's my favorite theme of the trilogy!Its weary in the ears after a while. Its a nice melody, but not a very malleable one I'm afraid. It sounds meh in action mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You think the Journey theme is weak? Blasphemy! It's my favorite theme of the trilogy!Its weary in the ears after a while. Its a nice melody, but not a very malleable one I'm afraid. It sounds meh in action mode.Huh? This is the Journey theme:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cWZ1ZEZDNmFFMk0/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The Journey theme is never used in action mode KK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 My guess it was never the MM theme wasn't meant to be included in his thematic tapestry so early on, as he wrote several other themes with similar motives. But interpolated it into his work when asked/suggested to do so. But it just doesn't have room in something as thematically dense in DoS I suppose, and Shore probably preferred to his own themes for which he's already laid put a foundation and a path for.Or PJ could have just asked to scrap as much of the AUJ material as possible.The Journey theme is never used in action mode KK!Oh, I've clearly confused the Journey theme and the MM theme!!I'm on my phone now, is the journey theme the Edge of the Wild one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think he always intended to incorporate MM into the score from the beginning, no question! Anyone who thinks it isn't malleable hasn't listened to it's unreleased appearances in the cave when Bofur and Bilbo talk, and the end credits opening before the song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Or the guitar version at the end of the EE documentaries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oh, I've clearly confused the Journey theme and the MM theme!! I'm on my phone now, is the journey theme the Edge of the Wild one? Yes, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm preparing questions for Mr. Shore. Hope he answers some of them... I won't ask about the themes for AUJ though, someone else has to do that! I will ask about King Kong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oh hot potato there. I wonder if he'll deign to answer to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You think the Journey theme is weak? Blasphemy! It's my favorite theme of the trilogy!Its weary in the ears after a while. Its a nice melody, but not a very malleable one I'm afraid. It sounds meh in action mode.Huh? This is the Journey theme:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cWZ1ZEZDNmFFMk0/view?usp=sharingWhere'd you get that from? The music that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Anyone who thinks it isn't malleable hasn't listened to it's unreleased appearances in the cave when Bofur and Bilbo talk, and the end credits opening before the song!That is not malleability. You think the Journey theme is weak? Blasphemy! It's my favorite theme of the trilogy! Its weary in the ears after a while. Its a nice melody, but not a very malleable one I'm afraid. It sounds meh in action mode.Huh? This is the Journey theme: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cWZ1ZEZDNmFFMk0/view?usp=sharing Where'd you get that from? The music that is.Production Diaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Cool! It's a shame we never got any of those for this film...Seeing how worn out he was at the London premiere, I can kind of forgive him. (I think we may get one after the film, covering all 6 films or something)Besides leaves more original features for the DVD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The AMA is imminent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/(And in case you were wondering before clicking the link, sex isn't the next word) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Watch him answer that one and ignore one of the better questionsOn the subject of Hobbit Complete Recordings:I guess we'll see in time. It took quite a few years to prepare the complete recordings of LOTR - Fellowship took a year, Two Towers took a year, and Return a year, so it was a total of 3 years of preparation for those releases - so I have to now go into the archives and see what we haven't released at this point in the two-disc editions for each of the films. Remembering that in LOTR, there was only one CD disc released initially on each of the 3 films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/(And in case you were wondering before clicking the link, sex isn't the next word)I asked one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 On the subject of Hobbit Complete Recordings:I guess we'll see in time. It took quite a few years to prepare the complete recordings of LOTR - Fellowship took a year, Two Towers took a year, and Return a year, so it was a total of 3 years of preparation for those releases - so I have to now go into the archives and see what we haven't released at this point in the two-disc editions for each of the films. Remembering that in LOTR, there was only one CD disc released initially on each of the 3 films!OK, so this basically confirms they haven't started working on them. And I don't like the sound of that last sentence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well let's be thankful the decision will probably be made by greedy corporate types rather than Howard then. He's done his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The best comment:So how do i make good music?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Some brutal honesty might be required on Shore's part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ferry Jr 4 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You guys PLEASE go on reddit and ask some good questions, the ones that are getting answered on there are atrocious. If you've ever watched an interview with Howard you know the answers to almost everything he is being asked.Such a waste.http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/?sort=new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How long is this goign on for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 BTW Shore quoted Williams!I'll try.You guys PLEASE go on reddit and ask some good questions, the ones that are getting answered on there are atrocious. If you've ever watched an interview with Howard you know the answers to almost everything he is being asked.Such a waste.http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/?sort=newAt least you got the right thread this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ferry Jr 4 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 BTW Shore quoted Williams!I'll try.You guys PLEASE go on reddit and ask some good questions, the ones that are getting answered on there are atrocious. If you've ever watched an interview with Howard you know the answers to almost everything he is being asked.Such a waste.http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/?sort=newAt least you got the right thread this time.Hahahaha...yeah I really made an idiot of myself. SORRY EVERYONE. I was really so disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 My question:I really enjoyed your scores to all of the Middle-earth films, but I also loved the LOTR symphony, have you considered doing a Hobbit symphony?(P.S. If you were to write music based off of events in the First Age, would it sound different than if you were to write music based off of events in the Second and Third ages?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I asked one too! Doubt it'll get answered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Barny = Lindele ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 There is a bit of Beorn (without giving it away too much).Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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