crocodile 7,935 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Bought it today (got it for a good price). But probably won't start playing till I finish off that Batman game. Was taking my time with all those side missions and it's about 85% done.Do I need to play the previous one or can I enjoy it as a standalone?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 You can ignore the early, archaic 8-bit "Metal Gear" and its two sequels, and just jump right in with "Metal Gear Solid". BTW, while that originally came out for PS1, there eventually was a remake made for the GameCube called "Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes" which massively improved graphics. That's the version you'd want to play if you can...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 What about the one that came out last year? It's supposed to be directly related?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Oh, you're saying you bought Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain, without having played Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes. I misunderstood. Since the post directly before yours was about Metal Gear Solid (the 1998 Playstation 1 game), I assumed that's what you were talking about.I don't know the answer to your actual question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Oh yeah, I bought The Phantom Pain. Yeah. Sorry, wasn't quite clear on that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I would certainly make sense, to me, if you played all these games before playing The Phantom PainMetal Gear Solid (The Twin Snakes)Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of LibertyMetal Gear Solid 3: Snake EaterMetal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the PatriotsMetal Gear Solid: Peace WalkerMetal Gear Solid 5: Ground ZeroesBut if you don't want to make that big investment, then just play the new game and try to keep up with the massive story I guess *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,317 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Traded in Arkham Knight and a few PS3 games against the Mad Max game, bringing the price down from £50 to £19. Enjoying what I've played of it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 What about the one that came out last year? It's supposed to be directly related?Karol You'll miss out on some major referencing to the earlier titles and likely the story will be too hard to follow if you start with The Phantom Pain. I don't know if the new game does a sort of a recap or not.Ground Zeroes is a sort of prologue with only one setting (but superbly detailed and full of secrets to discover) that introduced the player to the new controls and general feeling of how you interact with the world. I don't think it's necessary to enjoy The Phantom Pain, but it's an awesome game in its own right (a bit short when you intend to play the missions only once, but great replay value if you're like me (big fan of MGS).And Jay's list of games to play is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Well, we'll see how it goes. I doubt they would want to alienate newcomers just like that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have never played a minute of Metal Gear anything.Me neither. Mostly because playing a minute requires playing all of the minutes leading up to it.Or watching the long cutscenes (which never bothered me to tell the truth).Well, we'll see how it goes. I doubt they would want to alienate newcomers just like that.KarolWhat's great is that every game has been pretty self-contained so far. There's obviously tons of references for the fans that 'get it', but even if you 'don't get it' it's doesn't stand in the way of the game's quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Don't be worrying about story continuity or anything like that if you're going to play the new Metal Gear. Just play Ground Zeroes beforehand and you'll be fine. I'm putting it on hold till I've drilled The Taken King anyway. And before that I'll be hoping to box off Dying Light and now Mad Max, which I've just bought on Steam for £12.99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 You playing Dying Light on PC? Maybe I should've gone for that one, but I'm afraid my rig won't handle it well.Not that the controls were bad on PS4, but I've had my share of annoyances with fighting off the undead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That's all I need to know. Thanks! Quint: I'll just grab a cheap copy of the previous one when I get paid and will play them back to back. Sounds like a good plan.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah you'll get it dirt cheap and it's only a couple of hours long apparently.@DreamTheater I'm playing Dying Light on PS4 - specifically because the PC port is supposed to be horrendously optimised. I've had minimal issues on PS4 with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If you're a PS+ member it was free last month. Gotta pay attention to those. Now it's probably $10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Started The Phantom Pain after all. It's good, really enjoying it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Metal Gear Solid is required for any gamer. It started cinematic storytelling in games.Then I've got a long expensive journey ahead of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 If you still have a PS3 you can get the HD collection that consists of MGS2, MGS3 and Peace Walker (3 remastered games on 1 disc).Then you'd only need MGS which came out on the first Playstation in 1998 (I assume this is playable too on the PS3, only PS2 titles are not compatible) or MGS: The Twin Snakes on Gamecube in 2004 (the remake, which diehard fans would call inferior to the PS version, but not me).And last but not least MGS4 which also came out on PS3.So unless you don't mind low-res graphics and don't want to invest in a GC and a not so cheap copy of MGS:TTS you could just play all of them on the PS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 How would he play the original PS1 Metal Gear Solid on a PS3? I thought the PS3 wasn't backwards compatible with PS1 games?EDIT: Nevermind, you covered that in your post, I read too fast.If it doesn't work in a PS3, you can emulate PS1 games perfectly fine on a decent PC. Not sure about Gamecube emulation though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well yes that's another option, but requires a bit more fiddling with emulators, rom and bios files.And MGS works on PS3, see this link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Metal Gear Solid V special edition PS4 has a typo emblazoned on the frontlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I was expecting a flagrant misspelling in the title. But a word I've never heard of and in super tiny text... doesn't actually bother me....I mean c'mon you need to be a scientist / chemist with a magnifying glass to spot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well of course. No console is worth one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Thinking of getting the trilogy box set when it comes out soon.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well of course. No console is worth one game. So true... the few times I've held one in my hands, Tetris was inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Tetris for GameBoy was the shit back in the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Donkey Kong was my preferred game, but Tetris was great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Thinking of getting the trilogy box set it comes out soon.KarolEven though I've gone through them each two times already, I'm dying to give them another go on the current Playstation.Uncharted's absolutely worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I've never played them. But it's something on my list. This new release (plus the fourth one) seems like a perfect opportunity.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I want to play them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Thinking of getting the trilogy box set it comes out soon.KarolEven though I've gone through them each two times already, I'm dying to give them another go on the current Playstation.Uncharted's absolutely worth it.I'll definitely pick up the remasters. I was expecting to buy a PS4 this fall when it comes out. Turns out I already got one in a sale a couple of weeks ago (€300 with Arkham Knight), but I'm still short on games. AK seems boringly confusing, and while I also have Alien Isolation, I'm already a bit scared to continue.I'll also have to pick up The Last of Us before long... never finished that on the PS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 How is AK confusing?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Karol, this might help you with the Metal Gear Solid franchiseMetal Gear Solid Beginner’s Guide – The characters explainedMetal Gear Solid Beginner’s Guide – A brief history crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kojima says goodbye in a special Metal Gear Solid Debriefing video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 How is AK confusing?Probably not for regular gamers who played the rest of the series. But I only played half of Arkham Asylum years ago before I got bored. AK throws me right into the action without a proper explanation of the controls (which would be fine, but the manual also doesn't help), confusing Batmobile siege mode events, and then sends me to a spot to rescue some fire fighters where the first one is right where the navigation system led me and noone else is to be found after running around for half an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kojima says goodbye in a special Metal Gear Solid Debriefing videoI don't even know who Kojima is and I've never played a Metal Gear Solid game but this got me choked up. Haven't seen the video either, Need to get on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well, we'll see how it goes. I doubt they would want to alienate newcomers just like that.KarolAlienate newcomers to a 20 year old franchise? Kojima doesn't care about newcomers. These games are tightly woven together, but even the biggest fans (like me) often don't have a clue as to what the fuck is going on.Original launch versions of the PS3 are backwards compatible. They ditched it with later models but there are a ton of PSone and PS2 classics available for purchase on the PS Store. You can pay $6 for Metal Gear Solid and play it perfectly fine, no need to emulate. How is AK confusing? Probably not for regular gamers who played the rest of the series. But I only played half of Arkham Asylum years ago before I got bored. AK throws me right into the action without a proper explanation of the controls (which would be fine, but the manual also doesn't help), confusing Batmobile siege mode events, and then sends me to a spot to rescue some fire fighters where the first one is right where the navigation system led me and noone else is to be found after running around for half an hour.Too many LucasArts games back in the day? Fly around the city with your see-through vision and you'll find the other firefighters easily. There's absolutely no reason to go anywhere on foot in that game. As for the combat, the skills menu tells you how to perform all the combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Batman Arkham Knight has a shitload of new systems to master and as a veteran I was overwhelmed by them all for the first few hours. They packed too much into it imo. Eventually it does all click and disappear into the background, but really; you shouldn't really be bothering with big budget large open world games these days if you don't expect to spend a fair bit of time figuring everything out. GTA V and Witcher 3 are just as complex as Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I remember the good old days of PC Flight sims that came with a huge instruction manual. You could forget about ingame tutorials, or the helpful tool the internet now is, the only way you would learn the ins & out of that game, was by reading everything in that big manual. It was the time when cardboard boxes were the norm for PC games packaging. I did some reading back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I remember the keyboard overlays for sims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I remember the keyboard overlays for sims I remember getting my Sims into the pool before removing the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Batman Arkham Knight has a shitload of new systems to master and as a veteran I was overwhelmed by them all for the first few hours. They packed too much into it imo. Eventually it does all click and disappear into the background, but really; you shouldn't really be bothering with big budget large open world games these days if you don't expect to spend a fair bit of time figuring everything out. GTA V and Witcher 3 are just as complex as Batman.Yup. It will take me a couple of hours to figure out The Phantom Pain as well. Games are just like that these days. And it's fine. Some of those have bigger budgets than films these days!Marian, it took me a bit of time to figure out how Batmobile works. But the cool thing is.... it kind of starts making sense as you play it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 you shouldn't really be bothering with big budget large open world games these days if you don't expect to spend a fair bit of time figuring everything out. GTA V and Witcher 3 are just as complex as Batman.I usually don't anyway. But this came with my PS4, so of course I was at least going to give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Batman Arkham Knight has a shitload of new systems to master and as a veteran I was overwhelmed by them all for the first few hours. They packed too much into it imo. Eventually it does all click and disappear into the background, but really; you shouldn't really be bothering with big budget large open world games these days if you don't expect to spend a fair bit of time figuring everything out. GTA V and Witcher 3 are just as complex as Batman.Yup. It will take me a couple of hours to figure out The Phantom Pain as well. Games are just like that these days. And it's fine. Some of those have bigger budgets than films these days!Marian, it took me a bit of time to figure out how Batmobile works. But the cool thing is.... it kind of starts making sense as you play it.KarolGames are getting more complex each year. We used to have mostly genre-specific games. The Player knew what to expect, now most of the bigger games mix multiple genres together, so the devs have to anticipate for that and provide elaborate control schemes and tutorials for newcomers. Sometimes I just like to pick up and play something like Journey, but games in that simplified style (and of high quality) are few and far between. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,935 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It's a shame, though, that even with this amazing technology there so few games that give players actual choice in shaping how the thing develops. It's mostly "go there, press that, watch a cutscene". It's still too linear and players are just spectators, for the most part. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 "go there, press that, watch a cutscene"Like an Adventure Game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I like having a strong red thread in games, so I generally prefer the more linear ones to those where you can roam around as much as you like. Until AI becomes good enough to write its own screenplays, there's a limit to how emotionally involving you can make a game's core story if everything is completely open.Of course, within the range of what's possible, I like it when that story has enough wiggling or branching room to have the player's choices affect the outcome, but even if the game is strictly linear, I find it can be much more emotional than a strictly non-linear one. And since I get tired quickly of exploring a game's world without advancing the story, I'd rather have something that moves along more or less on its own and doesn't let me lose focus. That's why I've mostly given up on the Assassin's Creed series, about halfway through the third Ezio story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 It's a shame, though, that even with this amazing technology there so few games that give players actual choice in shaping how the thing develops. It's mostly "go there, press that, watch a cutscene". It's still too linear and players are just spectators, for the most part.KarolUncharted blows your theory out of the water. Linear can be a blessing, especially these days when many games are a vast open world of infinite possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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