skyy38 21 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Just in case John Williams cannot continue with the new Trilogy.I would hire this person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Whoa, who is this Mike Verta?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'm afraid to say that Alexander Courage has not been alive for quite some time now and would be, as such, unable to pick up where John Williams would leave off. John Williams, on the other hand, is alive and, as such, would be able to pick up where John Williams would leave off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 While that intent may have been the one expressed, I must add that you can't obtain full comprehension of that post unless you read it in the original Klingon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 There is "another". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 We need one with "I know, but they're all dead!" by Hans Zimmer and a photo of Morricone. Cerebral Cortex and Quintus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 We need one with "I know, but they're all dead!" by Hans Zimmer and a photo of Morricone.You mean, by Ridley Scott and a photo of Peter Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 We need one with "I know, but they're all dead!" by Hans Zimmer and a photo of Morricone.Ask and you shall receive, my friend. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I still don't understand why a composer is saying something a director said.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Well, a composer is kinda a director of music so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Disappointing. I thought it was going to be some kind of arrangement of all the TV series themes. It's just TOS theme. So why show the others and call it a mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Well, a composer is kinda a director of music so...Yeah, and it's a story Williams tells more than Spielberg- A lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Williams will live to complete the trilogy.He's too invested in the franchise (read: stubborn) to die before it's all done. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 it's not bad for an arrangement of the Courage theme...better than most I've heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 I'm afraid to say that Alexander Courage has not been alive for quite some time now and would be, as such, unable to pick up where John Williams would leave off. John Williams, on the other hand, is alive and, as such, would be able to pick up where John Williams would leave off. Wrong on both counts.....Disappointing. I thought it was going to be some kind of arrangement of all the TV series themes. It's just TOS theme. So why show the others and call it a mix?Well then, I guess you didn't "get it" did you?it's not bad for an arrangement of the Courage theme...better than most I've heardAnd, pray tell, what are the "most that you've heard"?All of you STILL don't get it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I'm afraid to say that Alexander Courage has not been alive for quite some time now and would be, as such, unable to pick up where John Williams would leave off. John Williams, on the other hand, is alive and, as such, would be able to pick up where John Williams would leave off. Wrong on both counts.....Courage is alive and Williams is dead?? Cerebral Cortex and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 it's not bad for an arrangement of the Courage theme...better than most I've heardAnd, pray tell, what are the "most that you've heard"?The various bits in the ST movie scores, Williams arrangement, Giacchino's...K.M. Not sure he get this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 While it's true I don't "get" many things, I certainly get this thread and you're basically wrong. About everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Ooh. Hoity-toity now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2015 Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Sharkissimo and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiRidge 1 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Just in case there was any doubt, here he is again, only this time an original composition... magic at 1'26"... -Jim Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Sigh. Dumb thread by odd new member about talked-to-death subject is dumb and by odd new member and about talked-to-death subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You're saying that this is the 24th century? And Williams is dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 We have to go back to a franchise, Star Wars. We have to stop a man called Zimmer from destroying a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You say history considers Williams dead. Who is he to argue with history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You're a JWFan! You have a duty! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out there listening to out of print OSTs when your grandfather had a gramophone! Besides I think the industry owes me one. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiRidge 1 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Ha. Love me some quote battles In all seriousness, though, can I ask you guys a question? Because yes, I'm a huge fan of Mike Verta, but even if I wasn't, the guy can obviously weave a musical story in a way we almost never hear any more. He uses mostly JW's orchestral players, who deeply respect him, who have said, literally, "Hollywood needs Mike." He teaches some of the most popular composing masterclasses in the world... hell, even Hans Zimmer is a fan. And he's obviously a giant enormous John Williams fan himself, steeped in an aesthetic tradition. Do we really want to throw somebody like him away? Shouldn't we be cultivating somebody like him; getting the word out? Our beloved JW isn't going to be around forever, and while Mike may only be 41 or whatever, don't we want to be championing him? Piece after piece of Mike's on his website all have that one great quality that modern scores are missing. They tell a story. They get in your head. They seem familiar even when they're not. I dunno. I honestly worry about what happens when Williams is gone, and I truly believe that Mike's got to be one of the top people in the world to carry on the tradition. -Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I like Mike Verta, but I've never heard him handle dissonance in a really interesting way. Most of his output I've encountered falls into the realm of fluffy, optimistic, Lydian-flavoured underscore suitable for an attraction at Disneyland or Disney's Hollywood Studios, intended to please Gen Xers who grew up with E.T. and Explorers. The Amazing Race being the prime example. Could he pen a piece like Heartwood or the Sinfionetta for Winds? Would he even want to? Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Mike Verta? Doesn't arrive until Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 There are plenty of people carrying on the orchestral tradition, they're just not all doing it like Williams is.Do we really need to "replace" Williams? And if so, does it really need to be more Williams pastiche?I think Mike Verta is a good composer, but I'd like to hear something more harmonically out of the box from him. Granted, I'm not too familiar with all his output.And then there's Marcus Paus. Now that's an interesting composer I'd like to hear more from! Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiRidge 1 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 For sure, he's done a lot of writing for theme parks, etc., and ultimately, I know he's asked to do what he's asked to do by his clients. I also know that at least the musicians praise his pedigree - his reputation is for being "legit," as far as that matters. But I have no real idea what his full total range is - though I have heard him do horror/dissonance/etc. And I don't mean to suggest him as a replacement for Williams, because there is none, but more as one of the few younger guys who understands musical narrative. There are lots of guys out there who can do interesting moments, appropriate moments, cool things, but tell a self-supporting story? This I rarely hear. In fact, I can't ACTUALLY think of a score recently that does anything like that, where you can listen to the OST end-to-end and hear the entire dramatic structure unfolding in a connected, symphonic way. Plus, I mean, this forum isn't primarily a celebration of JW's Sinfonietta-type work, but rather his much more "user-friendly," works. As for the pastiche thing, when I first heard about him, I thought the same thing, but eventually heard more of his work and realized that he does tons of stuff with a different sound. Later, when I saw a class he taught where he did musical "impressions" of the greats - all improv'd in realtime, all dead-on, I realized he can probably do just about any sound people ask of him. But he definitely has his own thing. Again, seems really strange to me not to embrace obvious ability and aesthetic competence from a respected, legit, and younger guy, when there's so little of that out there, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 For sure, he's done a lot of writing for theme parks, etc., and ultimately, I know he's asked to do what he's asked to do by his clients. I also know that at least the musicians praise his pedigree - his reputation is for being "legit," as far as that matters. But I have no real idea what his full total range is - though I have heard him do horror/dissonance/etc. And I don't mean to suggest him as a replacement for Williams, because there is none, but more as one of the few younger guys who understands musical narrative. There are lots of guys out there who can do interesting moments, appropriate moments, cool things, but tell a self-supporting story? This I rarely hear. In fact, I can't ACTUALLY think of a score recently that does anything like that, where you can listen to the OST end-to-end and hear the entire dramatic structure unfolding in a connected, symphonic way. Plus, I mean, this forum isn't primarily a celebration of JW's Sinfonietta-type work, but rather his much more "user-friendly," works. As for the pastiche thing, when I first heard about him, I thought the same thing, but eventually heard more of his work and realized that he does tons of stuff with a different sound. Later, when I saw a class he taught where he did musical "impressions" of the greats - all improv'd in realtime, all dead-on, I realized he can probably do just about any sound people ask of him. But he definitely has his own thing. Again, seems really strange to me not to embrace obvious ability and aesthetic competence from a respected, legit, and younger guy, when there's so little of that out there, that's all. I don't have the willpower to take issue with some questionable statements here. But I *must* take issue with your dismissal of John's concert music as something this forum isn't "about." I think perhaps you can spend a bit more time here and get to know some of us before you decide things like that for us. There are plenty of people carrying on the orchestral tradition, they're just not all doing it like Williams is.Do we really need to "replace" Williams? And if so, does it really need to be more Williams pastiche?Well said! You're well on your way to becoming TGP 2.0! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Isn't that a replay of this thread a year ago when Mr. Verta actually was around this place?Without wanting to go in any of the specifics, it's either funny or sad that even in 2015 the gold standard for film music seems to be THE LAND RACE (a lot of Verta is modelled around it). The appeal of pastiches like this in general eludes me: it must be so, since Thor loves them. I at least heartily wish Verta his own POTA, CEOTK or ALIEN 3 - preferably without jubilant americana fanfares. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I agree with Pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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publicist 4,643 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 You have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I see the error of my ways and have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 You should never change!I haven't changed since 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Your head became shinier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Thank you Rich! Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 In-fucking-deed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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