Jay 37,352 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 So, did you like the film? I don't remember you writing anything about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Nope, but I will eventually. Love the cast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Just wanted to let you know, in case you want to see that one directly: there's an extended version, which apparently features even more cameos (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=73207. Just checked the second page in the link: turns out the stagecoach robbery was indeed a deleted scene, restored in the extended version!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Interesting, I didn't realize this film was getting an extended cutWell, that explains why you didn't remember the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 And also why the track isn't on the FYC CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 I wonder if any of the other deleted scenes have cues written for them that didn't happen to turn up on the Digital Deluxe Edition so are still unreleased after 4 releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 By the way, I was reading the liner notes written by McFarlane, and noticed this bit:His [McNeely's] combination of serious compositional skill and playful Hollywood showmanship represents the essence of what I believe a film composer should deliver, although here in the 21st century, we’re running out of composers who can really do it well. One of the problems is that we’re seeing an abundance of film composers who have risen to great success while never really understanding the mechanics and nuances of how an orchestra works as a united organism. They’ll build synthesized scores in their studios using a variety of computer programs (sometimes not even knowing how to write a single note on paper), and then have those scores transcribed for a live acoustic orchestra. The orchestra is then recorded through a process called “striping.” This means that the strings are recorded in isolation, the woodwinds are recorded in isolation, the brass is recorded in isolation, etc. They’re then mixed together after the fact, resulting in a lifeless, sanitized sound that sounds mechanical and airless. Think of it like Humphrey Bogart doing all of his lines on one soundstage, while Ingrid Bergman does her lines on another, and then the two are edited together later. There would be no performance. Because of this trend, I have found that my interest in film music has diminished. There have been no great, memorable orchestral scores to emerge for some time.Made me grin, since it sounds so much like a JWFANer could say. And knowing McFarlane is a John Williams fan too, it wouldn't surprise me if he was a member here, actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Wow! Fascinating to read a Hollywood director say stuff like that! I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Out of curiosity, has anyone here compared the OST to the Digital Deluxe Edition to the FYC CD to the FYC Web site tracks?There you go: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jm-974XfYkmzgP6iSCA85i9vygQbpDqnZjlcPoZtrNo/edit?usp=sharingIn yellow are the tracks that are exclusive to a release (or tracks that contain music exclusive to a release).Thanks for this!Can you confirm the placement of "Lewis Breaks Out" before "At the Dance"? FunnyML put it after "More Barn Dance", which is why I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Well, the thing is, I haven't compared the score to the film. I only assumed that the FYC CD is in chronological order.That's what I forgot to mention when I said "the OST program is in chronological order" and "the DE program is mostly in chronological order": I used the FYC CD as a basis for that, assuming that it was in chronological order (which I think it is, from what I remember from the film and looking at the track titles).I'm not 100% sure about that, but I think FYC promos are always in chronological order, right? (at least the ones that were released since that new rule stating that the FYC CDs should present the music as heard in the film showed up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Yeah I haven't seen the film yet myself. That was the only difference with the FYC tracklist.Anyone know if the other version of "People Die at the Fair" is the film version, or an alternate? There's only a very slight difference by the way I think. (towards the end) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Wow! Fascinating to read a Hollywood director say stuff like that! I love it!Well, director.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 The FYC is probably in the order of the film when McNeely scored it; Maybe at the last minute a scene or two got shuffled into another spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunnyML 82 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Can you confirm the placement of "Lewis Breaks Out" before "At the Dance"? FunnyML put it after "More Barn Dance", which is why I ask.I arranged the tracks in film order. They probably shuffled around some scenes during post. At least I don't think it was placed between 4M4 and 4M5 originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Aside from a few needlessly vulgar jokes, I enjoyed the film (extended cut). MacFarlane's logical/observational style of humour, which is similar to Stewie and Brian's conversations, works well at making fun of the genre. I don't think anyone else would pull off his role as well.McNeely's main theme wanders too much for my liking - there isn't a really memorable central melody that sticks in my head. In fact the only two cues in my playlist are Early Morning and Saloon Brawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 OK, so here is the final chronological order (all the tracks come from the FYC Promo, except from The Stagecoach Robbery and End Title Suite Extended which come from the Deluxe Edition): 01. A Million Ways Logos 02. Main Title 03. Big Giant Pussies 04. I Got Shot Today 05. Goodbye Albert 06. Missing Louise - Oh Suzanna ([00:55 - End] Unused) 07. Reprise (Unused) 08. Majesty Of The West 09. Show Us The Gold 10. Stick And Hoop 11. The Moustachery 12. Saloon Brawl 13. She's Too Good For Me 14. Early Morning 15. People Die At The Fair (Original) 16. Reprise (Unused) 17. On The Move 18. Albert Learns To Shoot 19. The Stagecoach Robbery 20. At The Dance 21. If You've Only Got A Moustache 22. More Barn Dance 23. Lewis Breaks Out 24. On The Fence 25. Anna And Albert 26. Hello Sweetheart 27. She's All Yours 28. Looking For Anna 29. Someone's Gonna Get Fucked Up 30. Ride To Albert's 31. You Gotta Get Outta Here 32. Albert Makes A Run For It 33. Someone's Watching 34. At The Door 35. Burned At The Stake ([01:45 - End] Unused) 36. Wormholes 37. Albert's Acid Trip (Reprise) 38. Velocipede (Unused) 39. Albert's Acid Trip Pt.1 40. If You've Only Got A Moustache (Reprise) 41. Albert's Acid Trip Pt.2 42. Did You Kick The Condor In The Balls? 43. Clinch Is Dead 44. Sorry I Killed Your Husband 45. A Million Ways To Die 46. End Title Suite Extended Bonus: 47. People Die At The Fair (Alternate) (Unused) 48. A Million Ways End Credit Suite (Unused) A few notes: - I'm pretty sure the FYC Promo uses the actual cues' titles. Why do I think that? Well, it's pretty simple: I just compared the track titles on the FYC Promo to the FYC website cues and the OST and Deluxe Edition tracks' titles. Each of the cues on the FYC Promo that appear on the FYC website have the exact same title, while they have a different title on the OST and DE. For example, 3M6 Albert Learns To Shoot is called The Shooting Lesson on the OST and DE, but is called Albert Learns To Shoot on the FYC Promo. Another example is 4M2 At The Dance, which is called The Barn Dance on the OST and DE, but is called At The Dance on the FYC Promo. - A Million Ways Logos, Main Title and Big Giant Pussies are meant to segue into one another. - Funnily enough, the track Missing Louise found on the OST and DE is titled Missing Louise - Oh Suzanna on the FYC Promo, but doesn't feature any additional music compared to the other releases. However, right after that cue in the film, you have a source music cue using the Oh Suzanna melody (for those of you who don't know, Oh Suzanna is a traditional American song). I'm guessing maybe that both Missing Louise and Oh Suzanna were written (and possibly recorded) as one single cue, and so on the FYC Promo, they used the cue title that appeared on the sheets, but for some reason didn't include the Oh Suzanna source music part of the recording. - Lewis Breaks Out can be put either right before At The Dance (that's where it is in the Theatrical Cut) or right after More Barn Dance (where it shows up in the Unrated Cut). Basically, in the Theatrical Cut, it goes like this: Albert Learns To Shoot -> Lewis Breaks Out -> At The Dance -> If You've Only Got A Moustache -> More Barn Dance -> On The Fence (the Stagecoach Robbery scene doesn't appear in this cut), while in the Unrated Cut, it goes like this: Albert Learns To Shoot -> The Stagecoach Robbery -> At The Dance -> If You've Only Got A Moustache -> More Barn Dance -> Lewis Breaks Out -> On The Fence. I think that the Unrated Cut presents the original order of the scenes: my guess is that when the Stagecoach Robbery scene was cut, McFarlane still wanted a more serious scene before the barn sequence, and so he moved Lewis' escape earlier than where it was supposed to appear. - While I originally said that the OST, FYC Promo and FYC website present a microedited version of End Title Suite and that the DE present the unedited version of the cue, I'd like to correct that. I'm now convinced that the extended version found on the DE is either a completely separate recording, or it's the version found on the OST, FYC Promo and FYC website but with inserts (I think the first option is more probable). There are two reasons why I believe that. Firstly, comparing the sections that are found in both versions, some of it sounds a bit different. Then, why would the FYC website and FYC Promo present a microedited version of the cue, instead of presenting the unedited cue? - While The Stagecoach Robbery only appearing in the Unrated Cut explains why that cue wasn't on the FYC Promo, I have no idea why the FYC Promo includes the shorter version of End Title Suite instead of the extended one (which is the version used in the film), though. - The FYC Promo presents almost the complete score for the Theatrical Cut. The only things missing are two source music cues (the one using the Oh Suzanna melody, plus another), a 15 seconds insert that should appear at 01:52 in At The Dance (oddly not restored on the FYC Promo), the short Back To The Future theme statement (which could be tracked and not a rerecording) and a few short stingers (which I believe are tracked) at the end of a few cues (at the end of She's Too Good For Me, at the end of Anna and Albert and at the beginning of Sorry I Killed Your Husband). The Unrated Cut adds 4 more unreleased cues to that (all pretty short, under 30 seconds each), two of them being an alternate of Ride To Albert's (which is split in two in this cut). So really nothing noteworthy, in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Cool, thanks for doing all that research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 - I'm pretty sure the FYC Promo uses the actual cues' titles.Is "Did You Kick the Condor..." one cue, or is it maybe composed of two cues, one named "The Showdown" and the other "Did You Kick..."? (I assume the former, right?)Also, is there anything noteworthy on the shorter End Credit Suite that's not on the extended you think? Seems a bit superfluous to put the shorter version in my edit, even though it's a different recording, hence my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 - I'm pretty sure the FYC Promo uses the actual cues' titles.Is "Did You Kick the Condor..." one cue, or is it maybe composed of two cues, one named "The Showdown" and the other "Did You Kick..."? (I assume the former, right?)There's no way to know for sure (that is, until the recording sessions leak), but yeah, the former is more likely, given that on the FYC Promo, it seems that each cue is presented separately (take Albert Takes A Trip on the OST, for example: it combines multiple cues, which are presented separately on the FYC Promo. Same for People Die At The Fair. So why would they do that for these, but combine two cues in Did You Kick The Condor In The Balls? Hence, it's more likely it's just one lenghty cue (which was shortened on the OST), rather than two combined).Also, is there anything noteworthy on the shorter End Credit Suite that's not on the extended you think? Seems a bit superfluous to put the shorter version in my edit, even though it's a different recording, hence my question.Yeah, the shorter End Credit Suite doesn't offer anything noteworthy. All the music found in this track is in the extended version (whether it's a different performance or not doesn't really matter. Well, at least to me). Plus, the extended version has a much cooler ending, compared to the shorter version which basically just reprises the ending of the Main Title cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Thanks, and thanks again very much for your score breakdown!Also edited the first three track together per your suggestion, and it works well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 For some reason, I was inspired to revisit this fun score today, and I have to say it is still amongst my favorites of the past decade. Yes, yes, I know it is a pastiche, but it is a damn good one. And to confirm Bloodboal's suggestion above about the extended end title cue on the iTunes release, yes it is an entirely different performance. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 Heh, I finally saw this film last month, it wasn't very good, but I enjoyed hearing the music again. Thanks for reminding me to dig the OST back out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 The title song is a killer, the movie was a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 A very enjoyable score -- straight-up, old-school western pastiche. McNeely is a master of pastiche. The film had its moments, but overall rather disappointing. I'm a fan of MacFarlane, but he's very on/off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 I liked the mustache song more than the title song Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,343 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I prefer the first song. The movie isn't bad at all, except for the sequence with the Indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I'm not really a fan of any of McFarlane's movies, either this or the Ted movies. They have their moments, but in general they're very forgettable. But the scores are great! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The movie was just dull mostly, but I remember enjoying the Gilbert Gottfried as Lincoln joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The film is a guilty pleasure for me - it's really stupid but funny. The score is the best thing that the movie could possibly have, and the FYC adds some nice moments on top of the OST. Does anyone else get an E.T. vibe from a bit in the horse/train sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Less E.T., more Scherzo For Motorcycle And Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 As for the score, I'd rather just listen to Back to the Future Part III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: As for the score, I'd rather just listen to Back to the Future Part III. It's a fine score, but is that really the best western score you could think of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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