Jay 37,249 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Oh ok. The Story of a Woman sheet music is known to exist, I think JKMS has it, or Johnny does at his house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sorry, I was referring to the Story Of A Woman sheet music.Apparently if you pledge 2000 you can get any John Barry cue you like recorded. That would mean Tadlow must be pretty sure they have access to all of Barry's sheet music.I have mentioned again here, at FSM, and in the youtube video with the Story of Woman cue I posted, that the sheet music does exist. (albeit, the parts, not the conductor's score).It's situated at the Universal Music Library. oboeboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Or that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And it must be noted that studios aren't usually keen on loaning manuscripts and score parts without the composer (if living) giving the approval, be it for recordings or concert performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 HOUR OF THE GUN is another score that only was recorded because of easy access to the whole score and so on. Why should anyone re-record a good-sounding Goldsmith with multiple releases (and for a rather obscure film, at that)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hey if it made money and people enjoyed listening to it, why not?There's this misguided notion that exists that recording one score means that another priced gem somehow missed it's slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 You misunderstood. The sole reason for its existence was that some crucial conditions were met. That applies to all future releases, too. If manuscripts or rights issues arise, it's very unlikely it will happen - if the elements are easy to come by, even obscure scores stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes...that's obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 So even a score like MOONRAKER stands a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Moonraker has been a possible candidate for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 For pathetic Bond fanboys, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 For John Barry fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Apparently if you pledge 2000 you can get any John Barry cue you like recorded. That would mean Tadlow must be pretty sure they have access to all of Barry's sheet music.It says any Barry cue that has previously been released. So not all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 So if I pledge two grand, I can request the château entrance music from AVTAK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 For pathetic Bond fanboys, yes.Well, i still pleged for Moonraker and enjoyed all the tracks i heard on youtube. I'm neither a Bond fanboy nor a John Barry fan. I don't even own any pre Casino Royale Bond soundtrack.I'm happy that the first soundtrack kickstarter concerns a great and famous franchise score. If they did try it for something obscure like the JW "Story of a Woman" score it wouldn't stand a chance to get funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't even own any pre Casino Royale Bond soundtrack.So the only ones you don't own are Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger and Thunderball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Casino Royale was actually the first! Adapted for TV with an American James Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't even own any pre Casino Royale Bond soundtrack.So the only ones you don't own are Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger and Thunderball?Didn't i mention i am not a Bond fanboy? There is only one Casino Royale film i know of and it stars Daniel Craig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 There was a better one made in 1967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,451 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 For pathetic Bond fanboys, yes.Well, i still pleged for Moonraker and enjoyed all the tracks i heard on youtube. I'm neither a Bond fanboy nor a John Barry fan. I don't even own any pre Casino Royale Bond soundtrack.I'm happy that the first soundtrack kickstarter concerns a great and famous franchise score. If they did try it for something obscure like the JW "Story of a Woman" score it wouldn't stand a chance to get funding.Again -- as I told Stefan earlier in the thread -- that's a contention with which we have to agree to disagree. I think that's being too pessimistic and/or not thinking ambitiously enough. Let me copy/paste what I just wrote over at FSM:As I posted in the other thread -- much to the chagrin of everyone else -- my dream Kickstarter campaign would fund a recording of John Williams' STORY OF A WOMAN.Too obscure, you say?Well, yes, the film certainly is. But it has two strenghts going for it: 1) the name 'John Williams' (arguably the most famous orchestral living composer in the world), and 2) the fact that it's a gorgeous romantic piece that is the flipside of much beloved fan favourite JANE EYRE.The original recording is undoubtedly lost, but the score sheets are available to rent at Universal. So all it would need is a man with the connections and willingness to it (like James Fitzpatrick) and obviously the funding.It's doubtful whether this would receive the same amount of exposure as something like MOONRAKER, with a far wider fan base, but you could "sell it in" in any number of ways. You'd have to include a link to a Youtube video showcasing a rip of the brilliant music. And you could also hope for a media angle a la "help restore lost masterpiece by world's most famous film composer!" or some such thing. Then it might have a chance. Maybe not for £25.000, but then you could maybe adjust the size of the orchestra to accomodate a lower fee. Or record it in a less expensive studio. Etc., etc.Now, STORY OF A WOMAN is not the ONLY unreleased film score I'd like to see funded and rerecorded that way. Same goes for other "lost" Williams treasures, like THE SECRET WAYS or THE SCREAMING WOMAN. Or maybe do one of his lost 'jazz' scores, like DADDY-O, BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG, GIDGET GOES TO ROME. Or what about a western double whammy with THE RARE BREED and THE PLAINSMAN? Ah, tantalizing thoughts.In fact -- to go even wider -- I would applaud any Kickstarter project initiated to record a score that has never had any release whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What happened to Varese and its recording projects? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The original recording is undoubtedly lost, but the score sheets are available to rent at Universal. So all it would need is a man with the connections and willingness to it (like James Fitzpatrick) and obviously the funding.It's still unknown if the original tapes are lost or not. Considering how these things work, it wouldn't be surprising if they will pop up somewhere sooner or later.Also, the fact that the original manuscript and score parts are archived at the Universal music library doesn't automatically mean they're available for rental. As I said before, it's common knowledge that studios aren't usually very keen to rent or loan score manuscripts (be it for live performances or recordings) before signing agreements with the composer and the various copyright holders. Some composers' original manuscripts are easier to access because they're generally controlled by heirs or estates that were granted the possession of paper material from the studios (and also because some of them kept personal copies). That's why many composers prepare specific material for concert and recording performances--Williams was actually one of the first to do this, right after the success of Star Wars. We know Williams is very much in control of his own score paper material and that he also has very specific preferences in terms of what he wants (and doesn't want) to see recorded/performed/released. Any new recording of a score composed by him probably has to pass from his compliance.So, I don't blame Fitzpatrick nor anyone else for not pursuing as hard as some fans would like a new recording of Story of a Woman. These things aren't as easy as cake to prepare and manage successfully. But let's not give up. I'm sure one day we'll see even this obscure score released in some kind of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Quoting MV Gerhard at the FSM board, regarding the tapes found for Dracula:Yes, bad sounding mono tapes that the rights holders rightfully don't want to master and release.MVAnd don't forget Universal had that major fire several years back and lot of stock went up in smoke.Not saying Dracula was one of them, but it could have been. I know the company that does have the rights wants to continue their search and find the best elements possible. Hopefully they will some day (perhaps they have already. My intel dates back about 6 months ago).Until then a brand new re-recording would be most welcome.MV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 So the source is mono tapes that must be so bad that they are not going to release it.Re-record it then (and share those tapes with the re-recorders) so they can check for perfection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 So the source is mono tapes that must be so bad that they are not going to release it.Re-record it then (and share those tapes with the re-recorders) so they can check for perfection...Yeah if the materials are in bad shape a re-recording of the score would be a great idea, which of course does not exclude releasing the original recordings at some point either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This info is 6 months old, so who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 This info is 6 months old, so who knows...True. Perhaps something new has been unearthed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 By were-worms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I was thinking more of the soundtrack producers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 See, this is what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It is long since we had any hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Doctor, I do believe there's hope for you yet.Yes, bad sounding mono tapes that the rights holders rightfully don't want to master and release.So it all blew up in my face. And all the piracy and compromises...the editing and rationalizations, all for nothing. JWFan was FURIOUS. I can't say I blamed them. I'd have reacted the same way. After telling us in no uncertain terms that Dracula wouldn't be released anytime soon, he logged off the message board. There didn't seem to be anything more to do...but re-record the score.We could all be dead by the time the original recordings are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Quoting MV Gerhard at the FSM board, regarding the tapes found for Dracula:Yes, bad sounding mono tapes that the rights holders rightfully don't want to master and release.MVAnd don't forget Universal had that major fire several years back and lot of stock went up in smoke.Not saying Dracula was one of them, but it could have been. I know the company that does have the rights wants to continue their search and find the best elements possible. Hopefully they will some day (perhaps they have already. My intel dates back about 6 months ago).Until then a brand new re-recording would be most welcome.MV Yes, but if Varese wasn't working on it, or had in mind to release it in 10 years, wouldn't Fitzpatrick go on with the re-recording?I mean he was going to, and he stopped due to this.So, this means that it is coming, maybe soon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Indeed. The way Fitzpatrick worded it doesn't give much space for speculation. MV Gehrardt himself says that his info is from 6 months ago. Maybe it won't be released in a few months, but I'm confident it will be sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 We don't know if LLL is privy to all information ever regarding this. Who knows where Varése dug the tapes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Earth...Hitler, 1938! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Varèse has always been the most low-profile among the labels in terms of pre-announcements, clue-hinting games, message board interaction with customers, and all that sort of stuff. Townson always said publicly he dislikes those kind of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Well, I see we have a long way to go.At 0800 hours, message board time, JWFan formally declared war against the labels. They've already downloaded 15 unreleased recording sessions. SO, this is a HUGE victory for the good guys! This may even be the turning point of the entire war. There is even an orchestra that will record music for $99. So...I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to piracy. But the most damning thing of all...I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again, I would. King Mark was right about one thing: a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the completeness of John Williams scores, so I will learn to live with it. Because I can live it. I can live with it. Computer, erase that entire post. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yikes! Removed my Amazon listing of the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Fitzpatrick just reaffirmed on Facebook that the Dracula original recording will come out soon:I have it on good authority that the complete original recording of Dracula will be coming out this year...would love to record with the LSO but would need a much bigger budget!!!I've mentioned it quite a few times before whenever the subject comes up. I had plans to record Dracula last year but was put off this idea when I was told all the tapes had been found https://www.facebook.com/tadlowmusic/posts/725612380867988 So, if it's really the poor quality mono tapes that exist, was Fitzpatrick just misinformed? He made it seem these tapes were found recently and presumably in good quality.... at least good enough for him to forget about a rerecording for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Peter Hackman (who works for Varese) just made this comment over at FSM. Guess it doesn't bode well for the quality of the elements that have already been found. James, PLEASE continue with the re-recording!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Bummer. It'll be interesting to see if Fitzpatrick comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 well looks like we went from a possible re-recording to a real expanded release to ..nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 You've got to laugh at a universe that allows such radical shifts in fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I wouldn't think someone would cancel a rerecording without some concrete proof of another release in the works... Oh, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 A kickstarter is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Minions! Assemble and flood Townson's e-mail account with nagging questions and threats about these elements!! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Again -- as I told Stefan earlier in the thread -- that's a contention with which we have to agree to disagree. I think that's being too pessimistic and/or not thinking ambitiously enough. Let me copy/paste what I just wrote over at FSM:As I posted in the other thread -- much to the chagrin of everyone else -- my dream Kickstarter campaign would fund a recording of John Williams' STORY OF A WOMAN.I would be more than happy to see a kickstarter for Story of a Woman. But it would never work as the "first ever soundtrack kickstarter". For that you need a popular score like Moonraker to have a successful precedent.And now that it seems that Varese only has found bad sounding mono tapes i rather hope for the Dracula rerecording to be kickstarted next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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