KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 JWFan ruins perspectives. Makes everything you once held dear, look like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mstrox 6,643 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I once loved Zimmer. Then I joined JWFAN...I still love Zimmer, but now my self-esteem is a lot lower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The track "Han Solo and the Princess" includes both the new theme (Han Solo), and Princess Leia's theme from Star Wars. The track title just got stuck to the theme. Also correlates with Williams' statements that he did not write a Star Wars love theme until AOTC (This is not my theory, BTW, it's Doug Adams' - but it made the Star Wars scores/themes click a little better for me) I refer you to what John Williams himself wrote in the liners of the original 2 LP set release in 1980: Han Solo and the Princess The love theme associated with their developing relationship is in the tradition beloved by the romantic operatic composers of the nineteenth century. Such stylized melodies are deceptively simple but difficult for a composer to come by, and when placed in a space setting evoke a wonderful feeling of romance and adventure. The love theme is interrupted by Darth Vader who, accompanied by quiet but dissonant strings, communicates with the Galactic Emperor mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme. You don't visit JWFan much, do you?Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The love theme is interrupted by Darth Vader who, accompanied by quiet but dissonant strings, communicates with the Galactic EmperorThis is the bit I'd wish he'd talk more about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme.I always thought the bit when Qui-Gon was talking to Boss Nass about Jar-Jar was/would make a great theme for QG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme.I always thought the bit when Qui-Gon was talking to Boss Nass about Jar-Jar was/would make a great theme for QG.And the percussion section would call for a hot water bottle to be shook around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The Sybok theme only appeared once on the OST for Star Trek 5 I believe, and then only as a background rhythm for some action scoring.I think it appeared, but I am not sure which theme is really Sybok'sWait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme.I always thought the bit when Qui-Gon was talking to Boss Nass about Jar-Jar was/would make a great theme for QG.And the percussion section would call for a hot water bottle to be shook around.I am talking about the French Horn melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The Sybok theme only appeared once on the OST for Star Trek 5 I believe, and then only as a background rhythm for some action scoring.I think it appeared, but I am not sure which theme is really Sybok'sWait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme.I always thought the bit when Qui-Gon was talking to Boss Nass about Jar-Jar was/would make a great theme for QG.And the percussion section would call for a hot water bottle to be shook around.I am talking about the French Horn melody.But I'm talking about this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Isn't it all over Open the Gates?It's also in Without Help (the first few seconds) and Free Minds I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 In my recollection it only appears as an action rhythm once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't hear it in Open The Gates, though.It's the first melody you hear, on muted brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Agreed. I wish JW had more opportunities to use that theme (well, one could say he had...).Shame the Prequels didn't have a stronger thematic core that would have progressed from one film to the next and added to the sense of continuity like in the old trilogy. Most of the places are never revisited hence no older location themes, most characters with themes die or are left by the wayside and even other older ideas are never properly revisited (Trade Federation etc.). Anakin, the main character, while having a theme in Episode I, never got a theme that would have tied all three films together. Qui-Gonn's theme is a good example of a great little tune that was basically confined to a single film and even then to few very specific scenes.Wait, are you talking about the melody heard at the beginning of this track (which is also heard at the beginning of Talk Of Podracing on the UE)? I always thought that was Qui-Gon's theme.I always thought the bit when Qui-Gon was talking to Boss Nass about Jar-Jar was/would make a great theme for QG.And the percussion section would call for a hot water bottle to be shook around.I am talking about the French Horn melody.Isn't that just a subtle quote of the Star Wars main theme? JW references both Luke's theme and Imperial March in Episode I in these passing subtle variation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Funnily enough I heard a bit in Episode III (somewhere in Lament I am thinking) that reminded me of part of the B section (that goes into the IM phrase) of Anakin's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Funnily enough I heard a bit in Episode III (somewhere in Lament I am thinking) that reminded me of part of the B section (that goes into the IM phrase) of Anakin's theme.An interesting notion. The Lament does feature Anakin's secondary string motif from Episode II in the middle section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Is Anakin the main character? Qui-Gon is the lead in TPM, Obi-Wan is the lead in AOTC and ROTS, but Anakin is largely the "central character" but he's so unlikable, he makes these movies even more repellant that they are already.Assess these movies more deeply and I can't work out who is the main character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Is Anakin the main character? Qui-Gon is the lead in TPM, Obi-Wan is the lead in AOTC and ROTS, but Anakin is largely the "central character" but he's so unlikable, he makes these movies even more repellant that they are already.Assess these movies more deeply and I can't work out who is the main character.Well he is the central character and very annoying at that. It is like in Kingdom of Heaven where I would haved liked for Orlando Bloom's character to die and everything to focus on Liam Neeson but alas it was not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Luke is clearly the main character in the original trilogy, but the prequels characters are too vague and muddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Funnily enough I heard a bit in Episode III (somewhere in Lament I am thinking) that reminded me of part of the B section (that goes into the IM phrase) of Anakin's theme.An interesting notion. The Lament does feature Anakin's secondary string motif from Episode II in the middle section.That actually may have been what I was reminded of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Luke is clearly the main character in the original trilogy, but the prequels characters are too vague and muddled.Luke isnt the main character. Its the droids. The OT is their story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I wish Chewie was the main character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Funnily enough I heard a bit in Episode III (somewhere in Lament I am thinking) that reminded me of part of the B section (that goes into the IM phrase) of Anakin's theme.An interesting notion. The Lament does feature Anakin's secondary string motif from Episode II in the middle section.What's the secondary string motif from Episode II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Anakin's motif from Attack of the Clones can be heard in The Tusken Camp at 1:25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Isn't that Shmi's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 There's a motif in several cues of RotS that's not on the OST, it sounds like a funeral marchit's in:Revisiting PadmeBe Careful of your Friend (this motif opens the cue for reference)News of the Attack (Padme and Anakin talking on the balcony)It Can't Be (non OST portion)Padme's visit (the still completely unreleased part)...Don't know what it's supposed to represent (Anakin turning to the dark side?). I don't recall it being discussed much either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Timestamps? Probably my favourite cue in the whole score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 In that video the motif starts at 1.10Since it appears in a lot of places in the score it must be a significant one.Also most of the cues it appears in we only got with the last batch of files so it was really unreleased for many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Funnily enough I heard a bit in Episode III (somewhere in Lament I am thinking) that reminded me of part of the B section (that goes into the IM phrase) of Anakin's theme.An interesting notion. The Lament does feature Anakin's secondary string motif from Episode II in the middle section.What's the secondary string motif from Episode II?It is the Dies Irae-like progression, which is featured in Across the Stars' 3rd section in the strings and most prominently in the unreleased cue for Anakin's confession but it can be also heard e.g. in the last portion of the Tusken Camp and Homestead when Anakin carries his dead mother home. Williams then quotes it a few times in RotS, the Lament being the most prominent appearance.In that video the motif starts at 1.10Since it appears in a lot of places in the score it must be a significant one.Also most of the cues it appears in we only got with the last batch of files so it was really unreleased for many yearsVery interesting observation KM! I'll have to check it out as soon as I am able! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 KM, That is the same bit that I believe appears in Goodbye Old Friend, To Utupau, and Riding the Lizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Oh, yeah, now I know exactly what motif you're referring to. Totally went over my head in Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 KM, That is the same bit that I believe appears in Goodbye Old Friend, To Utupau, and Riding the Lizard.no, that motif is not in those cuesHere are the timestamps for my motif (expanded score):Revisiting Padme :0.35Be Careful of your Friend 0.00News of the Attack :1.08It can't be 4.08Padme's Visit :1.10 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 KM, That is the same bit that I believe appears in Goodbye Old Friend, To Utupau, and Riding the Lizard.no, that motif is not in those cues1:09 - 1:40 of Goodbye Old Friend in the strings, 0:45 of To Utupau, 0:53 - 1:00 and 1:04 - 1:09 of Riding the Lizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Williams composed a crapload of motifs for the prequels that aren't featured prominently enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 KM, That is the same bit that I believe appears in Goodbye Old Friend, To Utupau, and Riding the Lizard.no, that motif is not in those cues1:09 - 1:40 of Goodbye Old Friend in the strings, 0:45 of To Utupau, 0:53 - 1:00 and 1:04 - 1:09 of Riding the Lizard.No that's not the sameI think this is an Anakin specific motif .A sad melancholic motif that means he's fated to turn to the dark side. It appears when he's with Padme discussing his baby, when talking with palpatine, seen murdering the younglings on the recordings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I think this is an Anakin specific motif .A sad melancholic motif that means he's fated to turn to the dark side. It appears when he's with Padme discussing his baby, when talking with palpatine, seen murdering the younglings on the recordings... Do you mean this? <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tSvls8RiOJk?rel=0&start=164" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 KM, That is the same bit that I believe appears in Goodbye Old Friend, To Utupau, and Riding the Lizard.no, that motif is not in those cues1:09 - 1:40 of Goodbye Old Friend in the strings, 0:45 of To Utupau, 0:53 - 1:00 and 1:04 - 1:09 of Riding the Lizard.No that's not the sameSounds the same to me, it has the same rising and falling "pattern" (1st note up, 2nd note down.) just varied slightly (different keys I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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