Thor 7,478 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I couldn't find a previous thread on this piece.Anyways, I just revisited it on the Yo-Yo Ma CD, and it's such a heartfelt piece with shades of SCHINDLER'S LIST.Does anyone know whose funeral it was written for, back when it was 'elegy for cello and piano'?Edit: Well, it's always useful to read the liner notes before I ask questions. In it, Williams says:"A few years ago, an acquaintance of mine, a brilliant young violinst, lost her two young children in tragic circumstances. For the memorial service for little Alexandra and Daniel, a group of composer colleagues and I each contributed a small piece to mark this occasion, which was not only heart-rending but also suffused with a great deal of love". Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, it's one of JW's most heartfelt and moving pieces ever.The theme is actually an expansion of an idea originally found in the score for Seven Years In Tibet (the final cue, "Regaining a Son") Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Such a poignant piece of music which Yo-Yo Ma's performance further enhances. It is really one of the most tender pieces John Williams has ever written in my opinion. I would love to hear it live some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I first discovered it in the excellent 2010 Sony 3-CD set "The Music of America: John Williams", then I bought the Yo-Yo Ma CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I first discovered it in the excellent 2010 Sony 3-CD set "The Music of America", then I bought the Yo-Yo Ma CD.The whole CD Yo-Yo Ma Plays the Music of John Williams is really worth every penny. I wish JW had also recorded a CD with Ma with some of his themes translated to cello and orchestra like the cellist did with Morricone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 He actually recorded two pieces from Angela's Ashes with Ma in the same sessions, but inexplicably they were never released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I first discovered it in the excellent 2010 Sony 3-CD set "The Music of America", then I bought the Yo-Yo Ma CD.The whole CD Yo-Yo Ma Plays the Music of John Williams is really worth every penny. I wish JW had also recorded a CD with Ma with some of his themes translated to cello and orchestra like the cellist did with Morricone.I must admit I'm still in a "taming" mode with these two CDs. I should listen them more often.I so loved the collaborations between JW and Yo-Yo Ma / Itzhak Perlman on Schindler's List, Seven Years in Tibet and Memoirs of a Gesiha, that I bought a lot of CDs of Ma and Perlman since. I have never been disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, it's one of JW's most heartfelt and moving pieces ever.The theme is actually an expansion of an idea originally found in the score for Seven Years In Tibet (the final cue, "Regaining a Son")Yup. That's also in the liner notes. Liner notes are useful, I discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Absolutely, especially those in expanded releases. Lots of background information on the film, score, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 There's been five previous threads http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=361 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3917& http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6551 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12501 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 One of my favorite Williams pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I like the piece but I'm not sure I fully connect with it, yet, anyway. The theme starts in a really beautiful way but sort of loses me as it continues on. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 There's been five previous threadshttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=361http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3917&http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6551http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12501http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15932That's weird. I got 20-something hits when I searched, but none were relevant. I will never properly understand the search engine of this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Guys, it's so freaking easy to use!That's all you gotta do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Run a search for ET, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I like the piece but I'm not sure I fully connect with it, yet, anyway. The theme starts in a really beautiful way but sort of loses me as it continues on. Weird.Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Run a search for ET, please.Do what I did above, except replace "elegy" with "terrestrial" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Me neither. Ditto. The JWFan search engine has never really worked properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Scroll up a few posts and see how to properly use it!The search engine works completely fine; There's user error preventing you guys from getting the results you want, not any problems with the search engine itself.Use it properly, and it works great.Garbage in, garbage out. Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 What I've forgotten to do in the past is to choose the 'only search in titles' option (the default is an annoying 'everywhere' option that is completely useless). But I seem to remember doing it right this time. Oh, well. Next time!Back to the elegy, it's surely one of the most straightforward concert pieces Williams has written. It's not as explorative and whimsical and modern as a lot of his other work. I think maybe that's why it feels so much 'closer', in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I need to listen to this Yo Yo Ma CDLuckily, it's on Spotify!http://open.spotify.com/album/2800bR51TkUq4zpIAF2EBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It features his best piece, so yes, you do need to listen to it.I like the piece but I'm not sure I fully connect with it, yet, anyway. The theme starts in a really beautiful way but sort of loses me as it continues on. Weird.Same.I think it's the descending, "sighing" second half. It's weirdly melodramatic and doesn't seem to fit with the more chant-like, plaintive beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (never mind)By the way, it would be useful if we could delete posts in a few seconds time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I think it's the descending, "sighing" second half. It's weirdly melodramatic and doesn't seem to fit with the more chant-like, plaintive beginning. It's interesting that which you say about 'sighing'. I hadn't thought about it in those terms, but you're right. That's a good way to describe it, and it seems to be a recurring feature in his string writing, in particular (a descending 'slide' down the scale -- a glissando? -- as if the harmonies are sighing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Scroll up a few posts and see how to properly use it!The search engine works completely fine; There's user error preventing you guys from getting the results you want, not any problems with the search engine itself.Use it properly, and it works great.Garbage in, garbage out.User error? Or poor non-intuitive design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The search engine was definitely difficult to get a hang of when I first got here, and it still is. Other forums have more accessible search engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Link me to a website with a better / different search engine please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Filmtracks for instance. Say what you will about his website design, or forum layout, but the search engine gets you the content you want, and fast.I love the elegy actually, and at times it's on par with Heartwood (depending on the mood). I love the secondary phrase of the main theme, and how Williams twists and turns it. As Inky so aptly puts it, it's a very tender melody and piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I went to filmtracks.com, found the search box, and all the results for things I tried were for his main page articles; Not forum posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The main search engine is for his reviews. There's a separate search engine for the forum:http://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/index.cgi?search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I like the piece but I'm not sure I fully connect with it, yet, anyway. The theme starts in a really beautiful way but sort of loses me as it continues on. Weird.Same.I think it's the descending, "sighing" second half. It's weirdly melodramatic and doesn't seem to fit with the more chant-like, plaintive beginning. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'll have to check out this performance when I get back home from work. I have never heard this piece performed as the original cello and piano duet, which was the first incarnation of the Elegy before JW orchestrated it for cello and orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 Me neither. Thanks for sharing, nightscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I've literally never had a problem finding what I need with the search engine here. I don't understand how others can struggle with it.Of course, I'm talking about when on a real computer. On mobile, the search is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Run a search for ET, please. Do what I did above, except replace "elegy" with "terrestrial"Thanks, that never occurred to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I've literally never had a problem finding what I need with the search engine here. I don't understand how others can struggle with it.Well, looking at all the typos Stiff always makes, I'm not surprised he has never found anything using the search engine...Then there's KK's "theornibg"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Hey, we're not the only ones who have complained about it before. So clearly it's not as easy as you guys make it out to be.But I rarely use it anyway, so I don't mind. Usually google searches with JWFan stuff renders more productive results Then there's KK's "theornibg"... You're being awfully mean lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Then there's KK's "theornibg"... You're being awfully mean lately!I have noted this too. What gives BB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Hey, we're not the only ones who have complained about it before. So clearly it's not as easy as you guys make it out to be.Yes, it is. If you look calmly and slowly at all the option and use it properly, you should find what you're looking for.Then there's KK's "theornibg"... You're being awfully mean lately!No, I'm just being me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I outlined in Post #15 how to use the search engine properly. I can't imagine anyone would not be able to find what they want using it while following that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Right, when you've outlined the instructions, it makes things clear. Thanks Jay.All I'm saying is that if your search engine needs instructions, then that says something about its immediate accessibility to newcomers and such right?Then there's KK's "theornibg"... You're being awfully mean lately!No, I'm just being me!You've changed Alvar Brallice. You're not the same Boal as the one who first joined JWFan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Right, when you've outlined the instructions, it makes things clear. Thanks Jay.All I'm saying is that if your search engine needs instructions, then that says something about its immediate accessibility to newcomers and such right?Then there's KK's "theornibg"... You're being awfully mean lately!No, I'm just being me!You've changed Alvar Brallice. You're not the same Boal as the one who first joined JWFan...He is BloodBoal 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 You can't make everything instantly accessible and usable by everyone.The only thing the search engine requires for functioning properly is a slight bit of insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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