Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Victory Celebration is not really derived from Luke and Leia. They only share the first four intervals - a rising perfect fourth, followed a perfect fifth, then a descending major second (D-G-D-C). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Why?Why not? Would you be content with the explanation he would potentially give?Besides, not every film composer can remember what they were thinking before and during every single cue they've ever composed.Personally, I'd love to be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I remember seeing an interview with him around the time of the SEs. I cannot remember who it was with, but Williams mentions that he was most concerned with capturing the rhythm and beat of the piece (victory celebration) more than anything else. I do not think he addressed the melodic line. yeah I remember too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Victory Celebration is not really derived from Luke and Leia. They only share the first four intervals - a rising perfect fourth, followed a perfect fifth, then a descending major second (D-G-D-C).Yup, and that's exactly the type of subtle derivation JW peppers throughout virtually all of his scores Of course no way to know for sure, but I'm about 85% certain that the reference was intentional.The other possibility is JW was referencing Leonard Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Short Williams interview on Victory Celebration. Blame Lucas I guess? What else is fucking new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I get nostalgic even about all that 1997 marketing shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 It seemed like such a good idea at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Watching that, the Lucas and McCallum commentary, it could as easily be a YouTube parody video. The amount of shite they talked about the Jabba dance number - easily one the worst and most redundant additions to the SE - is astounding. It's mind blowing that Lucas invested so much meaning into that particular 'enhancement', he even reckons it improves the intended mood of the whole Jabba's Palace setting. BOLLOCKS IT DOES. In the original scenes that place felt shady as fuck, it really worked. Now that cool and tangible criminal atmosphere is almost entire wiped out by Lucas and his clueless meddling.And even on that crappy VHS upload the Sarlaac 'beak' looks like horrible cartoon CGI. Lucas shouldn't be allowed withing 10 metres of Star Wars ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 I dont understand how breaking the tension by adding a whole musical number is in any way an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 And even on that crappy VHS upload the Sarlaac 'beak' looks like horrible cartoon CGI.It looks like Audrey II from LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS. Nothing threatening about it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I think Lucas was testing the waters to see how ridiculous he could make TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 That was the point of the VFX upgrades in the SE, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Oh dear, I get very nostalgic watching that video.I need to watch the original trilogy again as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Nostalgic? You weren't even born in 1997! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Nostalgia isn't a sentiment reserved for people nearing the end of their mid-life crisis, Stefan.Don't ... underestimate ... my feelings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 I do not have a mid-life crisis!I just dont! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 You have every right to deny it, but one day, you will have to face the bare truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 I admit nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I had my mid-life crisis from 20-24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Lol you guys don't even know what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Data, you really need to get an avatar!Everytime you post, I'm like: "Who is this random poster? Oh, my! That's Datameister!"I got suckered into a plot to fill JWfan with avatar-less accounts, but when that plot never really came to fruition, I was too lazy to upload an avatar again...Someday. Someday.We tried! The revolution was nearly successful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Lol you guys don't even know what it means.I know what it means to have a seriously tumultuous period about which you know nothing laughed off, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 I had my mid-life crisis from 20-24.That's second puberty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Lol you guys don't even know what it means.I know what it means to have a seriously tumultuous period about which you know nothing laughed off, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Did he buy a Ferrari? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 A Porsche is more affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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