#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 As I was listening to this is once again dawned on me how unusual Victory Celebration is as a John Williams piece. Not only isnt not really Star Wars, it doesnt really comfortably fit anywhere in the established styles of John Williams.Is there anything he's done that sounds similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It sounds an awful like a them I would find in the Legend of Zelda series. Probably because the synth is playing a patch that sounds too much like an ocarina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I prefer it - at least the film version - over Yub Nub. It is unusual, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It reminds me of Augie's Great Municipal Band from TPM. One could argue that piece is out of place, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Usually I can immediately tell blindly when Williams composed a cue, but the exception might be Victory Celebration Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What do we think of Giacchino's version?bah, it's not on youtube any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 However unusual it may be, I think the melody and the application of the choir - and the overall warm texture of the cue - exhibit Williams's classic religioso feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What do we think of Giacchino's version? I love it. One of my favorite cues he did for Star Tours. The cantina band counterpoint is a nice touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Usually I can immediately tell blindly when Williams composed a cue, but the exception might be Victory CelebrationI have a friend who doesn't believe that JW did that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Wojo?What happened to him? Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Suina killed him Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Like in Hannibal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Data, you really need to get an avatar! Everytime you post, I'm like: "Who is this random poster? Oh, my! That's Datameister!" I got suckered into a plot to fill JWfan with avatar-less accounts, but when that plot never really came to fruition, I was too lazy to upload an avatar again... Someday. Someday. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Usually I can immediately tell blindly when Williams composed a cue, but the exception might be Victory CelebrationSir Francis and the Unicorn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 My iPod says he composed a lot of Fox Fanfares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If you're familiar with Williams' output prior to STAR WARS, you'll know that he's perfectly capable of writing 'poppy' music of this kind. I still amaze guests when I put on the Isaac Hayes-like funk music in CINDERELLA LIBERTY and tell them it's by John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 I find that remark...insulting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I find that remark...insultingReally? It was meant rather generally, i.e. 'you' as in 'one'.But as long as we're on the subject, haven't you made it pretty clear that you're not really interested in Williams' work prior to a certain date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I see. No wonder I didn't catch it, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It's a rescore job 15 years after the fact. It's not real Star Wars music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 But it doesn't sound like anything JW was writing in that general period.Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 As I was listening to this is once again dawned on me how unusual Victory Celebration is as a John Williams piece. Not only isnt not really Star Wars, it doesnt really comfortably fit anywhere in the established styles of John Williams.Is there anything he's done that sounds similar?And that is why I still think that this may be not John Williams.Maybe it is Joseph Williams or something.edit:Even seeing this, still don't believe it! http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&keyid=4059784&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&querytype=WorkID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It's a rescore job 15 years after the fact. It's not real Star Wars music.Also not performed by the LSO, if you need another reason to dismiss it as 'fake' Star Wars music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 What do we think of Giacchino's version?The Star Tours II version? It sounds more like a Giacchino theme than a Williams theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I honestly think it's partly the percussion that makes it seem foreign to Williams' oeuvre. He's only delved into "tribal"-sounding rhythms on a minuscule number of occasions. Imagine it instead played on oboe by Keisuke Wakao and a chamber ensemble, and it fits right in.I also like Giacchino's rearrangement in the same flighty, amusing way I like all of his Star Tours II stuff. It's affectionate and, in its own way, touching. The interpolation of "Cantina Band" at the end strikes me as almost poignant, a sort of "Man, remember that day? It's been one heck of a ride!" callback to one of the earliest memorable moments in the trilogy. If the original trilogy were an overachieving Saturday morning cartoon special (which, I guess, they were) Giacchino's "Victory Celebration" would be a great end credits cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Stylistically it's very different from other sw music, but thematically it fits right in; the main motif of the piece is derived from Luke and Leias theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Stylistically it's very different from other sw music, but thematically it fits right in; the main motif of the piece is derived from Luke and Leias themeWow, I didn't realize that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Stylistically it's very different from other sw music, but thematically it fits right in; the main motif of the piece is derived from Luke and Leias themeWow, I didn't realize that...I did not realize that either, but now that it has been pointed out, it is obvious. That is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Holy shit he's right. I never thought about that, but now I can't unhear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Interestingly, the SE linear notes don't mention it... then again, it doesn't say much about the piece except that it was done for the extended finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Learning things like this is why I most like these boards. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Wow. I too had never thought Victory Celebration had any connection to any themes in the trilogy, but now I am running both themes in my head and they def seem related! Interestingly, the SE linear notes don't mention it... then again, it doesn't say much about the piece except that it was done for the extended finale.The piece came in just before the CDs had to be finalized. The liner notes were probably locked before Matessino had even heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 This is kind of like "Augie's Manicupal Band," which features a playful version of the Emperor's theme. I've really come to enjoy "Victory Celebration" over the years, but I could do without the animal noises and the child choir. However, this revelation makes me enjoy the piece a little more.Wow. I too had never thought Victory Celebration had any connection to any themes in the trilogy, but now I am running both themes in my head and they def seem related!Interestingly, the SE linear notes don't mention it... then again, it doesn't say much about the piece except that it was done for the extended finale.The piece came in just before the CDs had to be finalized. The liner notes were probably locked before Matessino had even heard it.Ah, okay. That explains why the notes mostly talk about the scene itself and not the music, except the percussion and choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Many denied that Auggies Band was based on The Emperors Theme though. There were MB rows about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Usually I can immediately tell blindly when Williams composed a cue, but the exception might be Victory CelebrationSir Francis and the Unicorn?Who gave you permission to board my ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Some music in KOTCS also doesn't sound like Williams. The stupid part where they run down the retracting stairs sounds like Giacchino and the nuclear cloud sounds almost MV-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (...) and the nuclear cloud sounds almost MV-ish.Apart, maybe, from the synthesizer doubling the double basses, I have absolutely no idea why you think it almost sounds MV-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 The Prairie Dog and the Nuclear Cloud. Quasi-quartal brass fanfare over a pedal tone. Very Americana.Sounds more like Thomas Newman at his most bombastic than Hans Zimmer. Could be an outtake from SHAWSHANK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Has Williams done any interviews in regards to "Victory Celebration"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Has Williams done any interviews in regards to "Victory Celebration"?If he has, I don't know if you'd necessarily like his explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I remember seeing an interview with him around the time of the SEs. I cannot remember who it was with, but Williams mentions that he was most concerned with capturing the rhythm and beat of the piece (victory celebration) more than anything else. I do not think he addressed the melodic line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now