Incanus 5,714 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 JWFan hating trees in sci-fi?!!! How could the fans of the man who absolutely loves trees and has written some of the most famous film music for space operas/sci-fi could hate them?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Indiana Jones is not Sci-Fi, It's History. It shows that Hitler, Nazis... and Aliens really existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Tom Stoppard was a script doctor on TLC which goes a long way to explain the delightful comedic touches, but Connery's casting sealed the deal. KOTCS really did suffer from being a mess of elements from all 3 original films, when part of the franchise's appeal was the different style each film had. Lucas never shut up about how he envisioned the film as a sci-fi B-movie, yet apart from the flying saucer at the end, KOTCS has no resemblance to the 50s B-movies whatsoever. Maybe conceptually he was onto something, but the final execution certainly didn't reflect this intention (an ongoing trait for Lucas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 KOCS feels like a movie that has had so many rewrites that the original point has gotten lost along the way. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 26 minutes ago, Stefancos said: KOCS feels like a movie that has had so many rewrites that the original point has gotten lost along the way. And that original point was not very good to begin with. Extradimensional beings. No. Just no George. Pieter Boelen and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Even reading the earliest scripts like Saucer Men From Mars, I'm not convinced the McGuffin had a point to begin with (although the Crystal Skulls came long after Lucas insisted on aliens being a focal point, further discrediting the whole thing). Indy 4 was always a sequel in search of a story, rather than a story in search of a storyteller. And it wouldn't kill Spielberg to leave the States to shoot the next one. Some generic Hawaii jungle with awful CGI foliage doesn't blend well with a cast and crew clearly enjoying 5-star accommodation at the Hilton. I just hope he's doing this because he actually wants to do it. If it's just another, "I only want to do this film because it's fun working with my rich friends!" then the film is probably doomed. Temple of Doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2016 Once, fommes and Bespin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Just now, BloodBoal said: The year Williams wrote the music for Heidi! Maybe he can insert a reference to that score in Indy 5! Maybe they can hire a young Williams look-a-like to make a cameo in the film recording Heidi! Indiana Jones and the Alpine Horns of Doom! Bespin and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Would be great to see that all coming together. The results of years of work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Speaking of The Last Crusade. Was any filmed helped as much by it's casting as TLC was by the masterstroke of having Connery play Indy's dad? Without that the film would probably not be as well regarded. Connery is the only brilliant thing in that movie which is otherwise a lame repeat of the first one. 2 and 4 at least tried to do something different, with varying success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ford is brilliant as ever, and it has a brilliant score. Very good and funny script too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Ford is brilliant as ever, and it has a brilliant score. Very good and funny script too. The score is very good, but a bit less so than the 2 first masterpieces. Funny, yes, but to the detraction of characters. Markus Brody and Sallah are now goofy sidekicks, which is not fitting to their depiction in Raiders. The action scenes are underwhelming in comparison to 1 and 2, the special effects not so special. On the whole I get the impression of Spielberg not wanting to do this, but doing it nevertheless after 2 not so successful serious films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Like I said, Connery elevated it. I must be one if the few who's not that fussed about Marcus and Salah being played for laughs. It fits the tone brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,351 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, hanser said: On the whole I get the impression of Spielberg not wanting to do this, but doing it nevertheless after 2 not so successful serious films. Color Purple and Empire of the Sun weren't considered successfull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dunno about Purple, but a lot of critics didn't get Empire Of The Sun at all. Only Alex at the time saw that it was something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The Color Purple is just about as successful as a serious period drama could be in the 80s, grossing about $100 million. But yeah Empire of the Sun was a straight-up flop. And actually, looking at his box office mojo page, adjusted for inflation The Color Purple was more successful than Lincoln, Minority Report, and Schindler's List: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Director&id=stevenspielberg.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: Bullshit! The whole father/son relationship is very Spielbergian! But the rest? Been there, done that. and better. 1 hour ago, Jay said: Color Purple and Empire of the Sun weren't considered successfull? critics dismissed them, they had Spielberg pidgenholed as a pure entertainment director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 And neither were the box office crowd pleasers people had come to expect from Spielberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: And neither were the box office crowd pleasers people had come to expect from Spielberg. The Color Purple was the 4th highest grossing movie of 1985, behind only BttF, Rambo, and Rocky. I'd call that a success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Sure. But it wasn't ET, Jaws or Raiders. No one remembers that film nowadays anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I guess I'm only pressing the issue because I wish it was more revered in his filmography. I've always really liked that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I guess I'm only pressing the issue because I wish it was more revered in his filmography. I've always really liked that movie. I feel with you. I feel the same with Empire of the Sun which is among Spielbergs best and most ambitious in my opinion. I guess the failure of this movie shook him very much, and lead to a string of mediocre movies: Indy 3, Always, Hook, Jurassic Park (yes, it is not a very good movie compared to Jaws or Raiders!). Only the financial success of the latter together with the critical success of his masterpiece Schindlers List restored his faith in his abilities, leading to an astounding second successful career as "mature" Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan, A.I., Minority Report etc.) Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I love Always! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: I love Always! You're the one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Well back to topic: I am really looking forward to this movie and hope that it will be a fitting sendoff for the character. And of course I hope for another Williams soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I hope he kills people. We need a kill count of at least 50-75 guys to make up for the complete and utter lack of kills in the last atrocity. Pieter Boelen and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He should 'Kali Ma' Mutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 After what happened with TFA, I'm expecting Disney to disregard the previous reviled sequel and soft reboot the franchise while basically remaking ROTLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 On 3/17/2016 at 5:54 AM, Stefancos said: Like I said, Connery elevated it. I must be one if the few who's not that fussed about Marcus and Salah being played for laughs. It fits the tone brilliantly. Sallah I have no problem with. He was anyways a comedic character and there really isn't any discrepancy in performance or writing between his roles in the two films. If anything, he's funnier in Last Crusade - and I mean actually funnier, not just trying to be funnier. But the attempts to make Brody a comedic character are pretty embarrassing, from my perspective. Very little there that I find to actually be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Never had an issue with any of that and I only found out some people objected to it when I joined this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Same here. TLC is a lighter, more comedy oriented film. The characters reflect that. Ricard apparently HATED the fact that Indy wears a tie throughout. A fact I never noticed till it was pointed out to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Yeah it was a fun dicussion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: from Caste Brünwald to Berlin. and every disco I get in, My heart is pumping for love, Pumping for love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Damn... i had deleted it because i was mistaken... I thought that the tie was Elsa's and he dones it to disguise as the Scottish Lord. But he wears almost the whole film (venice to hatay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Aaahhh...Venice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Ricard apparently HATED the fact that Indy wears a tie throughout. A fact I never noticed till it was pointed out to me. I dunno. I quite like how Indy has a variation on his costume in the first 3 films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Hey, Dark Helmet wore a tie. Ties are cool. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 JWFan's favorite screenwriter is back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Pity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I was almost looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 To be fair, I'm willing to bet a lot of the Indiana Jones 5 script faults are more due to Lucas' shenanigans than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 And The Lost Worlds? And War Of The Worlds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: And The Lost Worlds? And War Of The Worlds? Did he write Jurassic Park? That had a pretty good script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Really? A huge simplification of the novel. Complete with stoopid "Alan Grant likes kids at the end" character arc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 damn. Jurassic park had some imput from crichton so maybe all goodness came from him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 He wrote the script for Spider-Man and that's the second greatest movie of all time (behind Spider-Man 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Yeah! ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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