Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Which, in your opinion, is the most lacklustre entry out of the three most recent franchise prestige damaging movies?I would say AUJ by a considerable margin. Not only is it a shoe-in for the most visually repellent big budget movie of all time, but it also went out of its way to out-bloat the entire LotR EEs and King Kong put together. Never has there been such redundancy in moving pictures and such disrespect for the art of editing. And on top of all that you have a regurgitated and tedious score which makes James Horner look like Morrissey.Edit: I've changed my mind to Battle of the Five Armies after seeing it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Lee, have you actually seen the third film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 We're catching the 11.40am showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 May all the blessings of Elves and Men guide you on your trip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'd rather see Interstellar tbh, but the gf likes Middle-Earth movies, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Yeah, nothing you can do. In the end the fairer sex will win out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 AUJ wasn't a trainwreck, but Jackson's editing drives me insane. These films are just horribly, horribly paced. Scene to scene, movie to movie. The films never flow and either have long stretches of needless exposition, or a headache-inducing cacophony of CGI-laden madness unravelling before your eyes.The pickups for DOS could not be any more obvious, considering how much of DOS's climax is pointless padding. It blew my mind when I found out the original cut of the film had the shot of invisible Bilbo running up the stairs to escape Smaug, followed by the shot of Smaug crashing through the wall and Bilbo being covered in the enormous curtain (in the final cut there's half an hour of padding between these two shots).It hits you just how much crap they invented to justify their money-grubbing trilogy decision.And it's a small thing comparatively, but the films look shit. Not even the high frame nonsense, but the digital grading, sharpness of the digital footage, enhanced cloud patterns and BLOOM look nothing like the first trilogy. It's almost as jarring as the Star Wars OT to the Star Wars PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The Azog shot looks a lot better!Look at that teal and orange! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I haven't seen the third one yet, but I enjoyed AUJ far more than DoS.Journey didn't come together as a film to me, but it was still entertaining. Smaug felt more desperately padded, and I found the final act pointless and boring.Although strangely I've come to enjoy DoS' score more.in my opinion, the worst professional decision PJ has ever made was to make 3 films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I haven't seen the third one yet, but I enjoyed AUJ far more than DoS.Journey didn't come together as a film to me, but it was still entertaining. Smaug felt more desperately padded, and I found the final act pointless and boring.Although strangely I've come to enjoy DoS' score more.in my opinion, the worst professional decision PJ has ever made was to make 3 films.I'll bet you his accountant disagrees to the tune of $100m+In a filmmaking sense though, it's utterly horrendous and yet another glowing example of Jackson's complete inability to convey restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Haven't seen the third one yet, so I'll withhold my judgment for now (mostly because I imagine the last film will make my decision for me. . . .).in my opinion, the worst professional decision PJ has ever made was to make 3 films.Absolutely—and I can say that without having seen the third one yet. If the additions made had helped the story in any way, or if it some semblance of being derived from the spirit of what Tolkien imagined, then I might be on board with it. But it stopped being about Tolkien a long time ago, and has now become the universe of Peter Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Having just read Mark Kermode's so-so review of The Battle of the Five Armies, I was reminded of something I heard/read him say back in the days of The Lord of the Rings. He was a huge fan of Peter Jackson and a gushing admirer of the films, but had no interest whatsoever in Tolkien and made a bold assertion which I found rather dubious at the time: he said that the quality and success of these films had nothing to do with Tolkien's work and everything to do with Jackson's talent as a film-maker. I think that now, in the light of The Hobbit films, one would be ever harder pressed to make that case - i.e., that the quality of the available source material is irrelevant to that of the film. The swathes of The Hobbit in which Jackson, Walsh and Boyens are either inventing new material or fleshing out ideas that were only sketched in the books generally turn out to be (to my tastes, at least) not very interesting or compelling, and their dialogue often wooden or pantomime-like. One particular aspect in which I've found The Hobbit to be a bit dull is in the fighting. I'm not generally a fan of the kind of prolonged fight scene in which things go well for the hero, then badly, then well again, then badly, the well, etc. Perhaps I'm misremembering things from The Lord of the Rings, but I don't recall this style of scene occurring very much in it. The fights (whether one-on-one or army-on-army) tended to be painted in broad brush-strokes, focused on conveying a sense of energy and momentum and driving towards the outcome, rather than dwelling on the fluctuating fortunes of individuals. In The Hobbit, on the other hand, these twisty-turny fights seem to happen quite a lot, including the denouements of at least two of the films (and one might also include the Dwarves vs. Smaug climax of the middle film, although the molten gold conclusion to that was at least something different, if rather silly). Anyway, I brought that up by way of explanation for the fact that I'm voting for The Battle of the Five Armies as the most underwhelming of the trilogy. I feel sort of bad for that, because in many ways it has the most consistent quality three, and I perhaps have the fewest individual gripes with it. On the hand, as the conclusion of the story there's more of an onus on it to make a big impact. And the climactic scenes with Bolg and Azog are simply the kind of fight scenes that I find a bit tedious. Perhaps if they'd given more weight to the resolution of the main battle there would have been a greater sense of impact...but they didn't. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 He did make one very good connection in that review: comparing PJ to Thorin. The sight of all that gold rolling in from the first trilogy drove him insane. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have no time for Kermode. The man loves the Twilight films and somehow thinks The Babadook is the best film of the year. Plus the nauseating sycophants he seems to have following his and Mayo's show drives me insane. Sheep, the lot of them! Form your own opinion about films for goodness sake. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have a different view of Peter Jackson in this regard. In an episode of Ricky Gervais' comedy Extras, the main character Andy Millman - who has just written and starred in a popular TV sitcom - goes to a pub where he finds himself surrounded by a bunch of losers who are all fans of his sitcom and want to hang out with him. He gets out of there as quickly as possible and moves on to a classy nightclub frequented by various celebrities. He ends up being moved out of the VIP area to make way for more important guests, and becomes the subject of a humiliating improvised song by David Bowie. Ultimately, he heads back to the original pub where he giddily revels in the attention of his fans as they enthusiastically quote the catchphrases from his sitcom. Peter Jackson returning to make another Tolkien trilogy always reminds me of Andy Millman going back to that pub. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 That is why I still come to this place. In the real world I'm nothing but a fucking loser. But here, compared to the other gormless cunts that chose to waste their insignificant existence away I am a FUCKING PRINCE! Glóin the Dark and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm not sure what you meant: are you saying that Ricky Gervais should play Peter Jackson in his biopic? Ricky Gervais with a computer generated beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Can we say cunts on here? Because I'd use it much more often if so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have gone over the Rules time and again, and me and my lawyer are in agreement. It's allowed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Is the member who complained about Tolkien threads too lazy to even implement a poll into this useless ego-stroking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It's quite hilarious indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 AUJ so far is the best film, and I think it still will be after I've seen BotFA. It may be more bloated, but it doesn't feel as artificial and contrived as DoS. But I guess in a way it was the most underwhelming, because that was the film we approached with such massive expectations. It's only after that huge disappointment that we realized what kind of films these were going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Is this the Wingnut version of "The Phantom Menace is the best of the Prequels because it still feels like Star Wars"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The cycle is complete.For every trilogy with SW-level resonance, there must be the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 For every trilogy with SW-level resonance, there must be the prequels.May there never be another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Would a film version of The Sil technically not count as a prequel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 And may we never see a film adaptation of that come to light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Would a film version of The Sil technically not count as a prequel?It is a reboot. The origin story of Middle Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Is the member who complained about Tolkien threads too lazy to even implement a poll into this useless ego-stroking?You can't make polls in mobile view you fucking moron. Boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 POWNED! I made mine in my phone in the Full Version mode though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Also, polls and debate as buddies ceased to be mandatory the day Josh500 quit. They were considered low brow, as I remember it. I guess gkgyver is a simple relic from that time who endures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 There was much I liked about AUJ. There was much I liked about DOS, too. But BOTFA is probably one of the worst films I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 All three movies have moments that make me feel like that, but yeah. The final movie is the culmination of years of industry dispute, legal wranglings and complete lack of focus. The work of a director who lost his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Incidentially i watched another franchise's later entries - namely HARRY POTTER's ORDER OF THE PHOENIX and the last two parts and was astounded to find many moments of indeed very good moviemaking that put what i saw of THE HOBBIT (parts one and two) to shame. I will not even bother with the last part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Harry Potter? Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The Halfblood Prince is a gorgeous looking film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I couldn't give a fuck how nice it looks given the shit acting and uninvolving story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Harry Potter? Come on now.I don't know in what relative reality your life plays out but i will assure you that watching these latest Tolien 'adaptations' has become a much bigger joke to most people - Potter never fucked it up that badly. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 What's there to fuck up? It's not like they're adapting anything particularly good to begin with. And did you not see those last two films? Dear me.Come to think of it, I'd say they fucked up pretty badly by casting the worst actor in recent memory as the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 The last Potter I saw was the one with the tents at the beginning, if that helps. It was dawn or dusk. I don't know how it all ends other than Robbie Coltrane got murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 That doesnt happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 But how we wished it did! That sounds better than the shit Rowling came up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think all the post-Williams Potters are some of the blandest, ugliest films I've ever seen. The fourth is ok but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 And it's a small thing comparatively, but the films look shit. Not even the high frame nonsense, but the digital grading, sharpness of the digital footage, enhanced cloud patterns and BLOOM look nothing like the first trilogy. It's almost as jarring as the Star Wars OT to the Star Wars PT. The hobbit movies look horrible beyond repair!There never was anything wrong with the cinematography of the starwars prequels. They look fantastic and by choice different and more shiny as it was the grand age of the old republic. A. A. Ron and oierem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 What's there to fuck up? It's not like they're adapting anything particularly good to begin with. And did you not see those last two films? Dear me.Come to think of it, I'd say they fucked up pretty badly by casting the worst actor in recent memory as the lead.Which is about the only thing the HOBBIT movies has on them: a better lead actor, that sadly isn't onscreen for long stretches. The rest is a pathetic egg of big, solid fuck, to quote a greater man than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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