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The scene where Hagrid sits down with Harry, and you see flashbacks to Voldemort entering Godric's Hollow and killing his parents

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Olivander giving Harry his wand, the extended chess game.....and the whole of the Enchanted Forest scene. Yes, I know that some of it was re-used for COS, but I'd still want the original. Actually, my favourite music from HP+PS is on the c.d., being the small section from The Face Of Voldemort. It's the "yearning" string section where old slap-head is explaining to Harry how he could see his parents again. Sad, and astonishingly beautiful.

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Fight with the Troll.

Has cool horn parts and just overall cool action music.

My 2nd choice would be the Entry into the Great Hall. Love it!

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"The Sorcerer's Stone" from the Children's Suite.

Actually, "The Sorcerer's Stone" wasn't part of the Children's Suite - it was published as part of the Suite for Orchestra, but it's really just the mostly-unused cue "Three Note Loop" from the score proper, with slight changes to the instrumentation. You can hear some of this cue tracked into the scene in COS when Harry is pulled out of the diary memory thingie.

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It's hard to pick one. there's full of little cool unreleased moments

I would have picked House Cup. It was re-recorded for CoS but not completely so I still want the SS version (missing the big statement of Harry's Theme at the end)

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I apologize if this is already common knowledge but...

is the "Harry's Wondrous World" from the COS album (with the exciting ending) a re-recording of the unreleased "Harry's Wondrous World" from the SS Children's suite, or is it in fact the same recording. Is this even known? I know that the unreleased children's suite version has the louder ending...

Sure hope that made sense.

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Most of it is the exact same take of the HP:SS cue "End Credits Part 1" that was released as "Harry's Wondrous World" on the first OST. (Although the COS version doesn't have the micro-edit at 2:03.) At the end, they crossfaded into a recording of the real "Harry's Wondrous World", the one that was written for the Children's Suite. I don't know if that's the recording from HP:SS, but I'm guessing it is. No clue why they didn't just use the whole recording, though. Maybe they only recorded the ending to save time.

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I just wanna know which is your favorite unreleased cue.

And I like the idea of only be able to choose one :P

I would have asked which one unreleased cue from CoS and PoA, as well.

Well, here they are, anyway, what I think:

CoS: Dunno what the cue is called or when it plays, but the CoS theme as played on a single flute...

PoA: The cue that comes between "Time to Forward Past" and "Saving Buckbeak." I love the suspenseful rhythm there... :) (Although there are many many others.)

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It's hard to pick one. there's full of little cool unreleased moments

I would have picked House Cup. It was re-recorded for CoS but not completely so I still want the SS version (missing the big statement of Harry's Theme at the end)

House Cup, which track is this on CoS?

I just wanna know which is your favorite unreleased cue.

And I like the idea of only be able to choose one :P

I would have asked which one unreleased cue from CoS and PoA, as well.

Well, here they are, anyway, what I think:

CoS: Dunno what the cue is called or when it plays, but the CoS theme as played on a single flute...

PoA: The cue that comes between "Time to Forward Past" and "Saving Buckbeak." I love the suspenseful rhythm there... :P (Although there are many many others.)

Hijacker :)

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The recording of "Leaving Hogwarts" is just so much more tender and organic and lovely than "Reunion of Friends". I wonder why...

And when the flute plays Hedwig's Theme in that ethereal major modality (I forget which), I consistently get overcome by shivers.

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The recording of "Leaving Hogwarts" is just so much more tender and organic and lovely than "Reunion of Friends".

Yep. And "Reunion of Friends" has an overdone ending to match the overdone ending of the film. It's great music, but in that context, it just annoys me, because it practically screams, "Yeah, this movie was just like the first one, but a million times better! Yeah!" It would have worked just fine if it'd been written for the end of the last film...then it'd match the grand nature of the end of the series. But it's just one movie...and it's not even a movie that ends with a huge triumph: Hagrid comes back and has an awkward conversation while the ENTIRE GREAT HALL is dead silent just for them, and then everyone applauds, just for them.

But I shouldn't start on a COS rant right now. Might pop something. =/

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Reunion of Friends > Leaving Hogwarts

All the way! ;)

I disagree. I think Reunion of Friends is "bigger and better" than Leaving Hogwarts, but Leaving Hogwarts is just plain "better." Leaving Hogwarts is one of the most sincere tracks in the Potter series. It is brimming with restrained emotion. "Tender and organic" . . . I like that. And it has plenty of pomp at the end when you get the wide shot of the train and Hagrid walking along the platform. I still remember hearing that music coming out of the theater as I walked past a showing on my way to a different film (after I had already seen HP). Even through the doors, that cue was still magical. *Sigh* Oh, the memories.

Of course, if you're just looking for a climactic build-up that keeps building and building and is just spectacular when it peaks, Reunion of Friends is great, too. (I have to admit, that scene is a little long, though - how long did those kids end up clapping for Hagrid while he just stands there wiping his tears? But then, every scene in CoS was drawn out twice as long as necessary.)

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And when the flute plays Hedwig's Theme in that ethereal major modality (I forget which), I consistently get overcome by shivers.

Yes! Cool to know I am not alone in being moved by this music. I remember playing it for some family members, thinking they'd have the same reaction I did. I was met with statements like "where was the cool part?"

The recording of "Leaving Hogwarts" is just so much more tender and organic and lovely than "Reunion of Friends".

Yep. And "Reunion of Friends" has an overdone ending to match the overdone ending of the film. It's great music, but in that context, it just annoys me, because it practically screams, "Yeah, this movie was just like the first one, but a million times better! Yeah!" It would have worked just fine if it'd been written for the end of the last film...then it'd match the grand nature of the end of the series. But it's just one movie...and it's not even a movie that ends with a huge triumph: Hagrid comes back and has an awkward conversation while the ENTIRE GREAT HALL is dead silent just for them, and then everyone applauds, just for them.

But I shouldn't start on a COS rant right now. Might pop something. =/

;) Never thought of it that way, but now that I think about it, yeah that's exactly it!

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Reunion of Friends > Leaving Hogwarts

All the way! :)

I disagree. I think Reunion of Friends is "bigger and better" than Leaving Hogwarts, but Leaving Hogwarts is just plain "better." Leaving Hogwarts is one of the most sincere tracks in the Potter series. It is brimming with restrained emotion. "Tender and organic" . . . I like that. And it has plenty of pomp at the end when you get the wide shot of the train and Hagrid walking along the platform. I still remember hearing that music coming out of the theater as I walked past a showing on my way to a different film (after I had already seen HP). Even through the doors, that cue was still magical. *Sigh* Oh, the memories.

Of course, if you're just looking for a climactic build-up that keeps building and building and is just spectacular when it peaks, Reunion of Friends is great, too. (I have to admit, that scene is a little long, though - how long did those kids end up clapping for Hagrid while he just stands there wiping his tears? But then, every scene in CoS was drawn out twice as long as necessary.)

Well, I think both are great, but in different ways. You are right, "Leaving Hogwarts" is more restrained, more melancholy, more heart-warming whereas "Reunion of Friends" is, I would say, more spectacular, more exultant, more bombastic. "Reunion" reminds me, in a way, of the ending of "Adventure on Earth," which evokes IMO the same sort of emotions.

But JW was simply writing what fit the scenes (yes, JW! I don't believe for a minute that WR wrote RoF); you couldn't put "Leaving Hogwarts" at the end of CoS, and vice versa. I think both cues are perfect for the respective movies.

I said I prefer "Reunion," but actually I like both... just in different ways. :)

Yep. And "Reunion of Friends" has an overdone ending to match the overdone ending of the film. It's great music, but in that context, it just annoys me, because it practically screams, "Yeah, this movie was just like the first one, but a million times better! Yeah!" It would have worked just fine if it'd been written for the end of the last film...then it'd match the grand nature of the end of the series. But it's just one movie...and it's not even a movie that ends with a huge triumph: Hagrid comes back and has an awkward conversation while the ENTIRE GREAT HALL is dead silent just for them, and then everyone applauds, just for them.

You know, I always read your posts with interest, because I think most are very well written and perceptive, but sometimes you miss the point.

You can say you hate that scene, but the cue as JW wrote it is perfect for the scene as it is. In a way, that very last moment is a celebration of being in Hogwarts, of being a student there, of having these great moments together with other wizards and witches. Some may not be capable of (emotionally) understanding it, but I think this serves a nice contrast to the ending of PS, which is really a bit restrained and melancholy (or just heart-string-pulling). The ending of CoS is all about happiness--over being in Hogwarts; the ending of PS is all about sadness--over having to leave Hogwarts.

Both scenes are scored masterfully, IMO.

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I appreciate what you said about my posts, Josh, but I definitely disagree with your analysis. The ending of COS - the score and the film - is certainly more celebratory and exultant and jubilant and grandiose than the ending of SS, but I would hardly call it melancholy. Harry's certainly not overjoyed to be going back to the Dursleys', and there's that element of saying goodbye, but the film very much ends on a high note. (No pun intended.) It's just not as spectacular as the end of COS.

My point about COS is that it's got this huge musical ending that the film did not earn. At least, not for me. When music is that...big, it can't help implying that whatever it's accompanying deserves music that big. In a case like E.T. or Star Wars, having a big climactic musical ending feels great because you've just had a really great emotional ride that you can feel good about experiencing and remembering. SS does the same thing for me. But COS is easily the worst Potter film as far as I'm concerned, and so the fact that it has the most over-the-top musical celebration at the end is just painfully, gratingly ironic.

Yes, the score perfectly matches the end of the film. The problem is with the film.

By the way, I'm just now listening to "Reunion of Friends." Again, I really do love the ending of the cue in and of itself. It's just terribly frustrating in the context of the film, precisely because it fits the scene perfectly.

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I appreciate what you said about my posts, Josh, but I definitely disagree with your analysis. The ending of COS - the score and the film - is certainly more celebratory and exultant and jubilant and grandiose than the ending of SS, but I would hardly call it melancholy. Harry's certainly not overjoyed to be going back to the Dursleys', and there's that element of saying goodbye, but the film very much ends on a high note. (No pun intended.) It's just not as spectacular as the end of COS.

You know, the ending of PS is not downright sad and depressing, of course, but I think it is a bit melancholy. Melancholy in a subtle and encouraging sort of way, if that makes any sense. JW is a master when it comes to creating music that seems to speak to the audience, and IMO, this cue says something like this: "Yes, Harry, you have to leave Hogwarts now and go back to the Dursleys whom you don't like, and I know it sucks, but hey . . . you have found new friends here, and before long you will be back. You have to be strong now." So overall, while the cue certainly ends on a high note (or else it would be a downer), I think it expresses uncertainty more than anything else: melancholy and some sadness, but mixed with joy at having found new friends and being able to return to Hogwarts at the end of summer.

My point about COS is that it's got this huge musical ending that the film did not earn. At least, not for me. When music is that...big, it can't help implying that whatever it's accompanying deserves music that big. In a case like E.T. or Star Wars, having a big climactic musical ending feels great because you've just had a really great emotional ride that you can feel good about experiencing and remembering. SS does the same thing for me. But COS is easily the worst Potter film as far as I'm concerned, and so the fact that it has the most over-the-top musical celebration at the end is just painfully, gratingly ironic.

I know perfectly what you mean. However, I don't quite agree with your analysis precisely because CoS is just one entry in a series of movies. If CoS were just one movie, I agree with you: the ending would be a bit inapproproate and out of joint. However, just because it is only one movie out of many, it can afford to have these moments: like I said, IMO that spectacular and grandiose moment is primarily all about celebrating being in Hogwarts. Not necessarily a climax to what happened in the movie CoS . . . at least not primarily. So the ending is not about earning something; it's about showing that there can be an "up" too after a series of "downs."

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And I disagree again - if it were just one movie, all by itself, it could afford to be a little more melodramatic and really scream, "Yes! You've seen the whole movie, and now we celebrate the end of the adventure!" But as it is, to me, it just feels like everyone suddenly explodes in uproarious applause over something they don't (or shouldn't) really care about. Hagrid isn't everyone's best friend. And although we can read into the ending and say it's about the Hogwarts experience in general, look at what literally happens: Hagrid returns, the entire hall is silent while he has a little conversation with three students, and then everyone applauds. And keeps applauding. And applauding. With awkward grinning closeups galore. Neither the awkward silence nor the awkward applause are likely scenarios or even emotionally effective. Crowds just don't act that way. Especially crowds of kids.

Anyway, this really isn't worth debating...neither of us is going to change his mind, which is fine. I don't really want to change your mind, anyway...why would I want to stop you from enjoying a perfectly terrible ending to a perfectly terrible movie? :) Hahahaha....

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Anyway, this really isn't worth debating...neither of us is going to change his mind, which is fine. I don't really want to change your mind, anyway...why would I want to stop you from enjoying a perfectly terrible ending to a perfectly terrible movie? :) Hahahaha....

Well, yes, let's agree to disagree. :)

CoS is not as good as the other 2 JW-scored movies, sure, but I wonder how anyone who loves the first movie can, in all seriousness, call the second one terrible... that seems to me a bit narrow-minded. It's not as good as the first one, yes, hell it might even be called "mediocre" compared to the first one, but IMO not terrible by any means.

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I dunno what to tell ya...ever since the very first time I saw it in theaters, COS just makes me want to cringe. The later Potter films may bore me a bit, and OOTP's sense of humor gets on my nerves at times, but COS is the only one that actually actively annoys me. I could describe the film's flaws in detail, but somehow the whole is more flawed than the sum of its parts. Completely identical visual style + (often) completely identical score + awkwardly pubescent actors + some bad acting + some really cheesy moments = do not want. :)

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I don't know, you seem to be exaggerating. You sound like a teenage girl who goes crazy over "Twilight" when she was sixteen and then, two years later, she says, "Wow, Exlipse sucks so much I'm gonna throw up!"

Again, I don't think CoS is far from the best HP movie, but there were some great moments too: the spider scenes, the flying car, fawkes the phoenix, the dueling of the Basilisk. etc. And, incidentally, these cues are some of the highlights when it comes to the score.

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I dunno what to tell ya...ever since the very first time I saw it in theaters, COS just makes me want to cringe. The later Potter films may bore me a bit, and OOTP's sense of humor gets on my nerves at times, but COS is the only one that actually actively annoys me. I could describe the film's flaws in detail, but somehow the whole is more flawed than the sum of its parts. Completely identical visual style + (often) completely identical score + awkwardly pubescent actors + some bad acting + some really cheesy moments = do not want. :)

Well, the first one is just as terrible. I wonder why anyone thought it a good idea to make the Dursleys such broad (and bad) caricatures. It just seems bad sitcom style and the rest of the movie never recovers. Such a thing might work if you have a Terry Gilliam at the helm, who at least distorts this stuff visually to make it more of a fantasy, but Columbus is so square the whole thing becomes a Hollywood monstrosity.

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I quite like SS for what it is. I thought Columbus' approach was much more appropriate for that film than for COS. And regarding the Dursleys...well, they come across more or less how I'd expect from the books. Reining them in a little wouldn't have hurt, but they didn't go much beyond what was in the books, as I recall. I don't give them much thought once Harry's left for Diagon Alley and whatnot.

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I quite like SS for what it is. I thought Columbus' approach was much more appropriate for that film than for COS. And regarding the Dursleys...well, they come across more or less how I'd expect from the books. Reining them in a little wouldn't have hurt, but they didn't go much beyond what was in the books, as I recall. I don't give them much thought once Harry's left for Diagon Alley and whatnot.

It's a film i really shouldn't comment on, since it wasn't made for supreme beings like me (:), but i found it a tragedy that with all the british talent on display, it became one of those nauseating american blockbusters.

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Hmmm, PS is the perfect movie, I think. CoS was okay, IMO, although not great. PoA is a better movie than CoS, though not better than PS.

I shudder to think how PS would have looked if Alfonso Cuaron had directed it!

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Hmmm, PS is the perfect movie, I think. CoS was okay, IMO, although not great. PoA is a better movie than CoS, though not better than PS.

I shudder to think how PS would have looked if Alfonso Cuaron had directed it!

Maybe it would have lacked the emotional subtleness of an ice pick hammered into your brain, which Columbus' assured hack hand provides with glee!

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Reunion of Friends is a great listening experience, regardless. But GOD DAMN that lydian (seventh chord in 6/5 position) statement of Hedwig's Theme at 1:06 in Leaving Hogwart's is sublime, especially with those nervous string passages dancing underneath. EDIT: Am I right in thinking it's a flute doubled with an upper register cor anglais?

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