Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Very dynamic. It really comes alive. Brass could be a little more robust (especially for a Star Wars score), but we were spoiled by the analog Eric Tomlinson 70s and 80s recordings. It's overproduced in typical Murphy fashion, but the results were at least pleasing in this instance.So...what the hell happened with Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith? To my ears, they've always been a step down. Clones is a hissy and muzzled. Sith is a similar case, only now, in addition to the overall distant sound, the percussion sounds awful. They never come alive, even in big moments. Our beloved Williams fanfares are restrained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 TPM was analogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Pretty good? It's one of the best sounding scores of (relatively) recent times, IMO. AOTC and ROTS don't sound bad, but their sound is definitely the least exciting of the six scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 That's the one thing I LOVE about the Ultimate Edition. The sound quality is astonishing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think an Aphex Aural Exciter could've been a part of TPM's bright sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 ROTS is my favorite sound-wise. Those end credits? The climax of Leia's theme? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 ROTS is my favorite sound-wise. Those end credits? The climax of Leia's theme? Come on.From what I've seen ROTS gets a pretty raw deal but I really like the score. I think both AotC and RotS benefit from expanded scores as opposed to just what's on the OST although I think the AotC OST is a pretty good listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The climax of Leia's theme?Y'know, you could just listen to Princess Leia's theme on the SW OST, its the same thing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I like the sound better on ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Very dynamic. It really comes alive. Brass could be a little more robustUm.. huh? this score and recording is very brass rippin'.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Pretty good? It's one of the best sounding scores of (relatively) recent times, IMO.AOTC and ROTS don't sound bad, but their sound is definitely the least exciting of the six scores.Agreed.The sound quality for the so called "Ultimate Edition" is great because it was remastered.It would be nice if the score got a true complete remastered release...well same for AOTC and ROTS too.Very dynamic. It really comes alive. Brass could be a little more robustUm.. huh? this score and recording is very brass rippin'..He could be referring to just the OST, unless ETE has heard the "Ultimate Edition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 I'm referring to that patented analog crispness (Williams' "voo-voo land") when they got into the red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The sound quality for the so called "Ultimate Edition" is great because it was remastered. From what I can tell, it's actually the original recording sans additional artificial reverb (which they added for the OST). The result is a cleaner and drier sound that doesn't drown in long reverbs. The OST is useless to me. It's a remastering trick to add reverb on the 'master' (for gluing all the instruments together) but in the case of TPM, somebody fell into excesses. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 It's a bit like the 90s Godzilla 2-CD sets from Futureland. They sound so clean and raw, like they've been untouched by an equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 How do you guys feel about Goldsmith's love of reverb? I love his later recording sound personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I really hate Jerry's later sound. Much prefer the dryer, punchier 70-82 acoustic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Some of his later scores sound like they were recorded in a barn. Something like Insurrection really pushes the limits for me. I'm all for lush reverb, but not when the detail of the sound is sacrificed in favor of ambience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The only album for Jerry's that I had an issue with the reverb was for Star Trek Insurrection. Even with the expanded edition, it's still there but not nearly as bad as the original. The others CD releases I don't mind.The sound quality for the so called "Ultimate Edition" is great because it was remastered.From what I can tell, it's actually the original recording sans additional artificial reverb (which they added for the OST). The result is a cleaner and drier sound that doesn't drown in long reverbs. The OST is useless to me. It's a remastering trick to add reverb on the 'master' (for gluing all the instruments together) but in the case of TPM, somebody fell into excesses.AlexAh understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 How do you guys feel about Goldsmith's love of reverb? I love his later recording sound personally. Not really familiar with them but his Alex North recordings with the National Philharmonic Orchestra (2001: ASO - A Streetcar Named Desire - Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf) always sounded very good to me. Then Jerry went Prague on us ... Alex Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 "TPM" sounds "wet" and limp, with hardly any punchy mid range, but then, that's what you get for using B+W Nautilus speakers as monitors.Compare this with "ANH": bright, vibrant, clear, and nicely dry.Goodness knows what they used to mix "ROTJ". A pillow, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If only ESB would sound as wet and limp as TPM...or DRACULA, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 "TPM" sounds "wet" and limp, with hardly any punchy mid range, but then, that's what you get for using B+W Nautilus speakers as monitors.Compare this with "ANH": bright, vibrant, clear, and nicely dry.Goodness knows what they used to mix "ROTJ". A pillow, maybe?The SEs sound way too bright, Richard. And the OST sounds like a copy of a copy of a copy. I want a rerecording! (I actually like the sound of The Skywalker Symphony)BTW, what speakers do you have or is that too private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Oi! You do not ask a man about his speakers, not unless you know him very well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 True, asking about headphones or desktop speakers seems to be better socially accepted.Forget I asked, Richard, I was only kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I do agree that Phantom Menace sounds better than Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, BUT! The Ultimate Edition I find a little over compressed, the dynamic range has been reduced, which makes it a little un-enjoyable at points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 And I've heard from other people that the UE has better dynamic range than the OST. So who's right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 And I've heard from other people that the UE has better dynamic range than the OST. So who's right?If you look at the waveform for each you can see how squashed it is. I'm not saying anyone is wrong btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Of course not. You're just implying it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Of course not. You're just implying it!I'm not its just how I feel when I listen to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 It would surprise me if the dynamics of the UE are more reduced than on any other album of Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 It would surprise me if the dynamics of the UE are more reduced than on any other album of Williams.I always reach for the volume when the UE comes on, its much louder than all the others, but I think the UE is the "Film Mix", so that it can be heard with the bombastic sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 The film mixes of Empire and Jedi sound WAY better than the comparatively shitty-sounding CD releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I went in and started comparing the UE and OST again, since I seemed to recall finding that they really weren't very different at all. If that's what I found last time, I was rather wrong. The most noticeable difference right off the bat is of course that the UE is louder, which means it does indeed have more dynamic range compression to avoid hard clipping in the louder passages. The reverb is also different between releases - a little more muddy, somber, and wet for the OST. And the UE is brighter and punchier as well, possibly as a result of being drier or maybe it was just EQ'd differently. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Happy to bump this old thread. I just finally decided to buy the set. So great music! I hope one day we'll have an expanded set maybe a little more "honest" regarding JW's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Lacks memorable themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Lacks memorable themes. For real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 It’s a gorgeous, vibrant score. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Long overdue for a proper Matessino produced expansion. C'mon Disney. 20th Anniversary next year too... just saying. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Chewy said: For real? @kaseykockroach lacks memorable themes. Taikomochi, Loert, Joni Wiljami and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I know, Kock's Theme is a real head-scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 James Horner's The Search for Kock has some okay themes! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 The cue Escape from Naboo is wicked. I feel like the vibrant brass in The Phantom Menace is what coined the Prequel style. The Trade Fedration March, the Flag Parade, many select cues that are just so magical, the mystic choral spectacle of Otoh Gunga, Sidious' theme being frequented, and gosh excellent Duel of the Fates material. The music in Qui Gon's Noble End (it's a track title so jokes on spoiled fans) right when we reach the noble end is probably the standout in-film usage of Duel of the Fates for me, as well as the introduction of Maul in the palace, and the first cut to the chasm fight. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2018 This movie was a slap in the face to fans. We demand that: George Lucas step down as head of Lucasfilm Rick McCallum apologise for his lying claims about this being "fucking awesome" That Queen Amidala's role be significantly reduced in the next few films, as making a 14-year-old girl a head of state is clearly Lucas capitulating to radical feminists Only when these demands are met will we the disenchanted fans consider watching Episode II, but we will not see it in a cinema. We will wait for a cable TV encore or the network TV premiere. Kasey Kockroach, Manakin Skywalker and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I didn't care for the second movie's unfair criticism against sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Anakin at least put Padme in her place when he felt up her sexy skin and said "soft... and smooth". Kasey Kockroach and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wish we could get back to what Star Wars was like under George Lucas, especially during the prequels! No politics in sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 So long ago, when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 The Prequels had politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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