Schilkeman 963 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Make sure to get Star Trek: Insurrection at the same time. That score plays better in complete form than this one does! Yavar Yeah, it's arguably the better score. First Contact is my favorite ST movie, though, so it's a tough call. I can't get them all at once, unfortunately. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Schilkeman said: Yeah, it's arguably the better score. First Contact is my favorite ST movie, though, so it's a tough call. I can't get them all at once, unfortunately. Well you'd save on shipping from GNP if you got them together! (Just don't get rid of your original Insurrection album, because it has a unique longer version of "The Children's Story" whereas the expanded edition could only fit the shorter film version on a single disc.) For me Insurrection is a MUCH more consistently enjoyable listen all the way through compared with First Contact, and it is chock full of incredible (and usually gorgeous) new themes -- the love theme, the "New Sight" theme, and the Ba'Ku theme in particular. But First Contact arguably has some greater highlights even if it's less consistent. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Insurrection is kinda annoying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, A Farewell to Kings said: Insurrection is kinda annoying though. The synths? The re-used motif from US Marshals? Yeah, not my favorite elements but they're not what I take away primarily, when listening to the score. Is there nothing annoying to you in First Contact? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: The synths? The re-used motif from US Marshals? Yeah, not my favorite elements but they're not what I take away primarily, when listening to the score. Is there nothing annoying to you in First Contact? Yavar That 6 note motif that plays over and over in every damn cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Yeah that’s what I was referring to as the US Marshals motif, because it originated there. Can’t say I love it in either score. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, A Farewell to Kings said: That 6 note motif that plays over and over in every damn cue. Are you referring to Goldsmith’s own Danger Motif? Da-Da-Da-Duhhhhhhhhhhh-Da!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I despise that brass idea in US Marshals. It’s beyond obnoxious in that score compared to Insurrection. The score in Marshals is so overbearingly mixed. Takes me out of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 On 14/04/2023 at 9:30 PM, Andy said: Are you referring to Goldsmith’s own Danger Motif? Da-Da-Da-Duhhhhhhhhhhh-Da!! That motif is a variation on the "friendship" motif, written, originally, for STAR TREK V. Jerry used it in the three subsequent Star Trek films that he scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 hours ago, NL197 said: I despise that brass idea in US Marshals. It’s beyond obnoxious in that score compared to Insurrection. The score in Marshals is so overbearingly mixed. Takes me out of the movie. Yeah it’s why for years US Marshals was a Bottom 10 Goldsmith score for me. Thankfully the expansion added some more variety including that lovely long lined theme in “The Pen” and a few other cues. I really wish THAT had been the primary musical idea of the score. For years I had trouble loving Insurrection too, but then I realized that reused action motif is only a small part of it and it has so many great new thematic ideas which are far more inspired. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 The one and only "complaint" I have about the Insurrection albums are that neither of them have the softer fade out for the end of "New Sight" as heard in the film. For many years I've tried but never nailed to achieve that in editing. It's such a beautiful cue and then that harsh brass interruption (not heard in the film when the Son'a ships arrive over the planet.) Whenever I listen to the album I immediately reach for the volume when I know it's coming. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I agree. Maybe if a 2CD edition is ever produced… Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 19 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: That motif is a variation on the "friendship" motif, written, originally, for STAR TREK V. Jerry used it in the three subsequent Star Trek films that he scored. Yes the Busy Man variation, right? Are we talking about a different motif from US Marshals and First Contact? I think even Air Force One used similar stylings for action with short short short lonnnnng short attacks. 13 hours ago, NL197 said: The one and only "complaint" I have about the Insurrection albums are that neither of them have the softer fade out for the end of "New Sight" as heard in the film. For many years I've tried but never nailed to achieve that in editing. It's such a beautiful cue and then that harsh brass interruption (not heard in the film when the Son'a ships arrive over the planet.) Whenever I listen to the album I immediately reach for the volume when I know it's coming. I have a similar complaint about First Contact’s Main Title with the Borg music breaking in. I wish we had a discrete ending of the original performance of the Main Title. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, Andy said: Yes the Busy Man variation, right? Are we talking about a different motif from US Marshals and First Contact? It’s a different motif in US Marshals and Insurrection. It’s not the Busy Man theme and not in FC. 23 minutes ago, Andy said: I have a similar complaint about First Contact’s Main Title with the Borg music breaking in. I wish we had a discrete ending of the original performance of the Main Title. With you there, 100%! Yavar Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: It’s a different motif in US Marshals and Insurrection. It’s not the Busy Man theme and not in FC. If anyone gets a chance to post a clip, I’m curious which is the offending motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I suspect First Contact and Insurrection would have been 2CD sets had LLL or Intrada been able to do them instead of GNP Crescendo Naïve Old Fart and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Andy said: If anyone gets a chance to post a clip, I’m curious which is the offending motif. play it at time code 1:07. Also: 18 seconds into this one Then: play at 3:51 and also 5:10 Now, it’s not as bad in Insurrection but in US Marshals it’s basically the main theme and holy shite…I mean it’s kind of fun when you hear that over Tommy Lee Jones unmasking himself in a chicken costume, but by the time you get to the big chase sequence on a subway train the score is so loud and in the audience’s faces it’s just ridiculous, and not in a fun over the top ridiculous way, but a “hey turn that down it’s too loud” kind of way. Yavar Moradi and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Jay said: I suspect First Contact and Insurrection would have been 2CD sets had LLL or Intrada been able to do them instead of GNP Crescendo Ironic that of the three Trek feature scores they controlled in perpetuity, it was the Dennis McCarthy one they gave a second disc to, to reprise the original album. And they left it off for Insurrection which actually had a longer cue on the original album! Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trope 527 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I recently purchased this expanded score and Insurrection in order to expand my Goldsmith palette. However, I'm a little confused as to which Goldsmith (Jerry or Joel) wrote the cue "Borg Montage" (track 13). On the back of the CD, it credits Joel as the composer. There is also an alternate version of the "Borg Montage" cue, which is credited to Jerry. Then, as I was reading the online track-by-track analysis (https://www.gnpcrescendo.com/firstcontact/GNPD-8079-opt.pdf), I noticed track 13 was credited to Jerry, not Joel. Clearly, either the back of the CD or the liner notes are incorrect. Does anybody here know who wrote this cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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