The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You're right about the sound quality, especially ROTJ which is really bad on the SE's. Artwork? Hmm... I own the movie poster artwork with Drew Struzan on the SE CD's, not that standard SE artworks. I think Struzan did a great job on those. But I like both artworks from the Anthology and SE.Which tracks are absent from the SE's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Lapti Nek, the two version of Ewok CelebrationAn alternate of Leia Breaks The News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Never cared much for Struzan's SE artwork. It's alright but a bit meh. My ideal covers would have the classic posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I never cared for the SE artwork at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 And I hated the "Episode" number rebranding of the classic films that began when the SEs were re-released on VHS in 2000. dtw42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The Special Edition artwork made no sense. Star Wars has Leia without buns, Empire has the Emperor from Jedi and Jedi has the duel from Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It got worse when they awkwardly photoshopped a bunch of publicity stills together for the 2004 covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Lapti Nek, the two version of Ewok CelebrationAn alternate of Leia Breaks The News.That's it? That's the reason why Drax call this an "important part of any film score collection"? Well, honstely I don't care. Lapti Nek is not part of the Williams score and I don't like it. I konw he used it on the original Polydor album, but maybe because of the marketing strategies for common potential buyers. Ewok Celebration, no words - what's the intension of this thread? Alternates are mostly uninteresting to me.The film version Ewok Celebration is on Disc 4. What Ford A. Thaxton did with Disc 4 is a crime. Put some unreleased tracks from the three films on one disc, start with the fox fanfare and try to make it as an listing album. Totally fail. Film version Ewok Celebration with the film end credits of TESB? Some tracks are stereo reversed, etc., etc., etc.? Oh my god...That's a thing I don't like for some expanded soundtrack albums: After the end credits putting some alternates on the end, or make a new disc and put those alternates in there. If I want to listen to an album, then it has an opening, beginning, a middle and an end. Like if I listen to a concert or a classical music piece. There is one exception I accept tracks after the ending: Unreleased music. If it is interesting, then OK (e.g. Attack of the Clones "On the Conveyor Belt"). Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I can't stand them both.But Yub Nub probably takes the lead because it works better in context, and at least has more organic orchestral accompaniment. But its still not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The Special Edition artwork made no sense. Star Wars has Leia without buns, Empire has the Emperor from Jedi and Jedi has the duel from Empire.That's an issue I can understand. But I don't qualfies the covers and impling this to the music as Drax stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The Anthology Jedi disc also has an extended tuba solo at the end of Han Solo Returns that is not present on the SE album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The track with the extended trumpet solo is the same track on the original polydor release, if I recall correctly. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 "Yub Nub". No contest. End of. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The Special Edition artwork made no sense. Star Wars has Leia without buns, Empire has the Emperor from Jedi and Jedi has the duel from Empire.That's an issue I can understand. But I don't qualfies the covers and impling this to the music as Drax stated.It makes sense as a 'Saga' tryptic poster without the letters.It's great that way.(notice he added lando!) Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Lapti Nek, the two version of Ewok CelebrationAn alternate of Leia Breaks The News. That's it? That's the reason why Drax call this an "important part of any film score collection"? Well, honstely I don't care. Lapti Nek is not part of the Williams score and I don't like it.It's still important to include these tracks. They are a part of the films, especially Ewok Celebration which was (and largely still is!) the musical finale to trilogy's conclusion. Any attitude that seeks to omit them reeks of Lucas-style revisionism that treats previous incarnations as ephemeral or worse, like used car parts set for the scrap heap.He kept "upgrading" his "saga", which became less about the adventures of Luke Skywalker and his pals opposing a tyrannical empire and more about the "tragedy of Anakin Skywalker". As a result, Sebastian Shaw was a component that didn't work anymore. So he had to be replaced by Hadden Christie so that his "saga" would be more unified. To hell with preservation and posterity - the old ones are obsolete and don't work anymore!No wonder the guy can't write dialogue that a human being can say. He even treats people and characters like a mechanic would when discarding blown out car parts.Same goes for the music. Tracks that didn't fulfil their function to conform to the prequels (or how the prequels were planned, since this was '97) were deemed obsolete and tossed out. Unfortunately, one of my very personal favourite tracks got the chop.If these scores are someday revisited for a new release, I believe it would of course be important to include Victory Celebration, but only as an alternate. However Ewok Celebration should be in the main program because it was part of the original score to the theatrical film. For everything else, we demand every last scrap be included in complete and chronological presentations, but curiously many SW fans are happy to toss out elements from the originals that seem inconvenient to them. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If these scores are someday revisited for a new release, I believe it would of course be important to include Victory Celebration, but only as an alternate. However Ewok Celebration should be in the main program because it was part of the original score to the theatrical film. For everything else, we demand every last scrap be included in complete and chronological presentations, but curiously many SW fans are happy to toss out elements from the originals that seem inconvenient to them.It would be interesting to see what is included. Jedi Rocks or Lapti Nek or possibly both? Victory Celebration or Ewok Celebration or both? I highly doubt they would include both versions and label one as an alternate. I have a feeling whatever would end up on a release would be the SE stuff, which is no longer consider SE but rather the official versions. At least, they were considered the official versions before Lucas sold it off to Disney. I'm not sure what Disney's stance is at this point, but I'm guessing the 2011 versions are considered the official versions.Oh, how I wish that 5th disc for the Anthology Set went into production. Then we would have basically everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 We won't see complete and remastered releases until Disney/Lucasfilm decide in what canon Lapti Nek belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I bet it's going to Legends. Many people will get their wish, Lapti Nek never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Fans won't care if it's labelled "Legends", they just want the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I think the real problem is that the master reels are now over 30 years old. I don't know if they can be found or they are deteriorated. And if not, I'm not sure if the result is best to remaster them. It could be probably sound worse than the actual masters from Matessino in 97, even with the techniques today. And there was lot of money to remaster the complete soundtrack at that time. They don't want to spend much money to remaster them again.I believe they would ask themselves: Why spend a lot of time and money to remaster the complete soundtracks instead of taking the 97 remaster? They could argue something like: "We already have the complete soundtracks, so why do it again?"The remaster is not the only problem. The tapes have to be found and sorted, then combining the tracks in a whole. In Star Wars, Matessino said he made nearly 100 edits (That's because of low budget and short rehearsal time). I don't think that you guys want something like short cues ala Bernard Herrmann. Then adjust the tracks, etc.Not to destroy someone's dreams, but I guess you have to deal with the possibility, that you may not ever see any Star Wars trilogy complete score release again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I thought high quality (or higher quality than the what was used for the 1997 SE) masters for ROTJ were discovered within the last 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 10 years is a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 That would be nice if they were. Apparently, there is nothing wrong with the original multi-track tapes. Maybe someone at Abbey Road knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It is, but surely they were preserved and not left to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I hope so, my friend.I can tell you stories about storages... The reels from Bernard Herrmann's "The Men Who Knew Too Much" were slided on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If "Star Wars: A Musical Journey" from 2005 offers any indication, the ROTJ material sounded excellent and I think better than even the 1993 Anthology set. Is it known what the source of the music was for that DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Victory celebration. If Yub Nub were purely orchestral then maybe it would be opposite... still the melody of the victory celebration cue is still much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Victory celebration. If Yub Nub were purely orchestral then maybe it would be opposite...Have you heard the Charles Gerhardt/NPO version? That's fully orchestral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 That's my line, stranger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Victory celebration. If Yub Nub were purely orchestral then maybe it would be opposite...Have you heard the Charles Gerhardt/NPO version? That's fully orchestral. Yeah, i really like that version... that was the reason i mentioned it. It really could have surpassed victory celebration in a more developed and longer orchestral version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The Anthology is the most satisfying time I have ever had listening to these scores. No, it isn't complete. Yes, This is Not a Cave was left off, although you had the edited version on the original Empire CD, possibly the only thing that made that wretched thing necessary after the Anthology came out. Certain album versions are retained and others, weirdly, are not. But whether enjoyed as discs 1-4 or sequenced into a playlist that incorporates the tracks from disc 4 into their respective film scores, it is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Luckily we have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Victory Celebration on album, Yub Nub in film. Neither of them are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Perhaps not, but at least the finale of the original version actually sounds like Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Victory Celebration sounds like JW too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Erm, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 It does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 After first hearing it, I wondered whether they hired a different composer for the new ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The same schmuck who did Jedi Rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Why would a band in Jabba's palace be singing about Jedi and how they rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Because "Jedi Rocks" sounds cool! Does the song even have a real translation? At least Lapti Nek had an English version, as 80s crazed as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I spent five minutes, I can only find the Huttese lyrics, not the translation. I hope the title is simply there for our soundtrack reference and isn't meant to be the in-universe title. I mean, I'm not going to tag it as performed by Evar Orbus and His Galactic Jizz-Wailers. I really don't want any songs using the genre of jizz on my iPod. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 There are no English lyrics and "Jedi Rocks" is not it's in-universe name. It doesn't actually have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I like Victory Celebration. It's a bizarre cue, but quite pleasant. Chorus helps, too.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Well now that the Star Wars saga will continue, there is no real need for the "Victory Celebration"...it made more sense since that was considered "the end" at one point.I enjoy VC...but I voted for Yub Nub... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Well now that the Star Wars saga will continue, there is no real need for the "Victory Celebration"...it made more sense since that was considered "the end" at one point.I enjoy VC...but I voted for Yub Nub...If the Empire really wasn't defeated, then that whole galaxy wide celebration wasn't necessarily needed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 All those people on Coruscant would have been shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 In the legends timeline they were.Coruscant was conquered by the new republic 2.5-3 years after the battle of Endor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 What canon is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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