#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 There is no too much Fry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Agreed.They should have gotten rid of BOTH characters during/after Smaug's attack.Well that is obviously the ideal, but I'm saying that IF they were going to keep Alfrid around, then they should have kept the Master around as well, to make those light-hearted scenes more bearable. Their dynamic worked well in DoS, but Alfrid on his own... well that was a different thing entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,359 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 OK, you've convinced me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 And Alfrid needed to be there to serve as a foil for Bard!So basically the character is essential to the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 still cant wait for his EE death scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 The Alfrid and Master dynamic worked nicely when the Master was in charge, but Bard needed to take over.Or the Master could survive, rile the people up against the Dwarves, and then after the battle, Bard could take over Dale and The Master could take over the rebuilt Laketown, succumb to Dragon-sickness, flee Laketown with the Gold given to him by Bard to build said rebuilt town, and perish in the surrounding wastelands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Yeah they could have just rallied against the Master since he tried to escape with the gold and deposed him, electing Bard instead, with the Master and Alfrid somewhat thankful that Bard saved their lives. So then we have a 'Master' without power and having to respect Bard, but all the while plotting with Alfrid against him, and of course only using Alfrid as a lackey. Could have been an interesting dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 But the film isn't about that!Interesting that people complain how much the focus was taken away from Bilbo, and then invent entire scenarios about The Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I just want to point out that what I just posted is what happens in the book.Then Barny came along.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Next thing you will want the whole 'elves rebuild laketown' plotline back in the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 But the film isn't about that!Interesting that people complain how much the focus was taken away from Bilbo, and then invent entire scenarios about The Master!Only I've never been one of those who complained that the film took the focus away from Bilbo.The film isn't about Alfrid either, but it is what it is. I just think it would have worked better if it had been Alfrid and The Master in tandem rather than Alfrid alone hanging around like a bad smell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Less talking about Alfrid, more music!Though maybe Shore microediting out all of Alfrids themes was him expressing his silent opinion on the matter, ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Ha! That'd be funny if its true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I could have sworn there was music for the shot of Bilbo looking at the arkenstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,359 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Which DOS cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I checked just now and that is definitely the arkenstone motif from Dragon Sickness that plays at 1:16-1:24the music right before that from 1:09 to 1:16 though is replaced with music I cant quite place, that must be the tracked material BB is talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 the music right before that from 1:09 to 1:16 though is replaced with music I cant quite place, that must be the tracked material BB is talking aboutI think that bit is probably taken from A Thief in the Night.Also the BOlg/Azog music is not tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,347 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 MAlso the Bolg/Azog music is not tracked.How certain of that are you?Very certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,347 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Except faster, brass instead of strings (compared to Liar and a Thief, winds if you are comparing to Spell of Concealment), and longer (compared to the two notes in Spell of Concealment that you are thinking of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Anyway, looking forward to trying to see you make sense of the next track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,347 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Anyway, looking forward to trying to see you make sense of the next track!It's actually only hard near the beginning, the rest is rather straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,347 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hmm, I thought it was pretty simple, from 2:09 - 3:38 should be pretty much used as in the film (with some missing footage), then 3:38 - 4:01 is for Gandalf and Galadriel before Radagast Arrival (replaced with Tracked music in the film). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Tracked from the same track even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Tracked from the same track evenDo you know any other BOTFA track with the Lothlorien theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I wouldnt put it past PJ to track music all the way back from FOTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I wouldnt put it past PJ to track music all the way back from FOTRIt seems that there was a conscious effort to only take music from the same orchestra as was performing the rest of the score (NZSO). (both in the film and in the documentaries) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Yup. Any LOTR music used in TH films would be credited in the end credits, like for the EE party scene in AUJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 OK, finally saw the Dragon Sickness video. Seems clear to me the beginning music is for the Bilbo / Smaug / Arkenstone stuff, meaning the end of Beyond Sorrow and Grief is certainly for some scene that got cut out of the TC. Neat.Everything else seems spot on. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,359 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Man, I forgot how goofy parts of that scene look! Cool video! I love the sync points of Sauron's theme as each wringraith appears (around 2:40ish I think it was) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I love the sync points of Sauron's theme as each wringraith appearsThat's a nice touch.Indeed. Again excellent videos BB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 well if this means more footage at Dol Guldur to make the scene make more senseI am all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I still wish PJ would have opted to have the guardians of the Three banishing Sauron together. It is odd how they actually have close up of Nenya when Galadriel appears but the rings are never mentioned again even when they actually made a point about the dwarven rings in DoS EE. Galadriel going nuclear was perhaps poignant from the point of view of her relationship with Gandalf but Elrond and Saruman are rendered mere extras who beat monsters with sticks and swords. I had hoped it would have actually taken the combined forces of the council to defeat Sauron himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Boyens confirmed we're getting more Dol Guldur, specifically stuff concerning the Rings. So you may yet get something like what you wish Incanus.So what you're basically saying BB is that there could well be unheard action-statements of Isengard and Rivendell knocking about somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Boyens confirmed we're getting more Dol Guldur, specifically stuff concerning the Rings. So you may yet get something like what you wish Incanus.Good. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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