crumbs 14,306 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 43 minutes ago, Incanus said: I think it was once again the natural world that inspired Williams alongside the film. Spielberg mentions in the liner notes how Johnny had a copy of Wordsworth beside his piano when he wrote the score. Undoubtedly the nature poetry and the lovely images of Dartmoor among other things inspired JW. You can definitely tell when JW writes a score with inspiration beyond the film itself, like Schindler's List being his tribute to the Holocast, or Saving Private Ryan his tribute to fallen heroes. Even Across the Stars seems to be drawing upon something far more than the film itself. And then there's the love theme from Sabrina, though most know the story behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, crumbs said: And then there's the love theme from Sabrina, though most know the story behind that. Are you talking about it being dedicated to his first wife? Was that a confirmed story from a quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I don't know whether this has been discussed before, but I just listened to the Dartmoor concert version and really think there's something strange about it. On the OST, after the flute intro, we have three chords: D major, C major (well, the first note is an E), and F major. But in both the prom concert and on the Spielberg 3 album, that second chord becomes minor. First of all, I think it's a really weird decision as it completely breaks the pstoral and soothing soundscape. But second, I'm wondering whether this isn't someone's careless mistake. I swear that on both recordings, this very chord is performed very tentatively, as if someone isn't quite sure whether it all adds up. Or is that just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 There are a few recordings conducted by Williams of that Dartmoor suite. Check YouTube and see if it's consistent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 06/11/2017 at 2:12 PM, crumbs said: there's the love theme from Sabrina, though most know the story behind that. I don't...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said: I don't...? I believe the main theme was a dedication to his late wife, or at least written with her in his mind. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,416 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Anyone know why the track, Dartmoor, 1912 is missing from the War Horse album on Spotify? Only version on Spotify is the Suite version on the John Williams & Steven Spielberg: The Ultimate Collection. crlbrg and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 11/8/2017 at 2:57 PM, bollemanneke said: I don't know whether this has been discussed before, but I just listened to the Dartmoor concert version and really think there's something strange about it. On the OST, after the flute intro, we have three chords: D major, C major (well, the first note is an E), and F major. But in both the prom concert and on the Spielberg 3 album, that second chord becomes minor. First of all, I think it's a really weird decision as it completely breaks the pstoral and soothing soundscape. But second, I'm wondering whether this isn't someone's careless mistake. I swear that on both recordings, this very chord is performed very tentatively, as if someone isn't quite sure whether it all adds up. Or is that just me? Yes, it has been discussed elsewhere. In the film and album the second chord is a major. But in the signature suite it's written as minor so i guess they're using that one for all subsequent recordings and performances. Also in williams' original sketch it's written as minor. So, maybe it was a podium change when they were recording the music for the film. I like the major version myself. By the way, I wanted to ask, is this cd OOP? I see it's expensive everywhere... (and I haven't bought it still....) 🤐 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:26 PM, filmmusic said: By the way, I wanted to ask, is this cd OOP? I see it's expensive everywhere... (and I haven't bought it still....) 🤐 Wow, nicely spotted. Yes, it appears this OST CD is indeed OOP! It's going for $50+ on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LK8NSK/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Oh no.... WAR HORSE!!!!!!!!! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 You can get them for cheap in used condition on Amazon. I've purchased several used CDs, mostly from Goodwill stores that are selling through Amazon. There's currently a copy for $2.21 + $3.99 shipping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marc 767 Posted May 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2019 Couldn't resist playing that exquisite piano solo from the last cue on the horn Incanus, Madmartigan JC, Bellosh and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 11/6/2017 at 9:12 PM, crumbs said: Across the Stars seems to be drawing upon something far more than the film itself Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anakin and padme's 'romance' was really the inspiration behind Across the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anakin and padme's 'romance' was really the inspiration behind Across the Stars. Indeed. Who could forget such inspirational utterances of sheer romance like "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth." _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 "Anakin, you're breaking my heart, you're going down a path I can't follow!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Tom Hiddleston totally fucked the horse Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 the WAR HORSE Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 SEX HORSE PHWOAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Marc said: Couldn't resist playing that exquisite piano solo from the last cue on the horn Very beautiful! Some really high notes in there too! Marc and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 767 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Thanks ! Yeah I've rarely played that many high D's in a piece before ^^ SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Get it done Alby! Get it done... 6 hours ago, Marc said: Couldn't resist playing that exquisite piano solo from the last cue on the horn Great work as always. One of Williams's best cues I'd say. I particularly like how well the French horn blends with the trumpet at the end Will and Marc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 767 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Thank you ! It is also one of my favorite JW cues...such delicate writing, so subtle and moving ! An absolute delight to play and to listen to Not Mr. Big and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Marc said: Couldn't resist playing that exquisite piano solo from the last cue on the horn Just lovely, Marc! Just lovely. I love this score and the ending has such tender warm writing, truly the music of homecoming. Will and Marc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EhTar 63 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Don't know much where to post this: War Horse - 2-LP coming Feb 19 2021. https://www.amazon.fr/Horse-Williams-Vinyle-Couleur-Audiophile/dp/B08R4FR6S4/ 180 gram audiophile vinyl / Gatefold sleeve / PVC PROTECTIVE SLEEVE / MUSIC COMPOSED BY ONE OF THE GREATEST FILM COMPOSERS OF ALL TIME, JOHN WILLIAMS (STAR WARS SAGA, JURASSIC PARK, SCHINDLER'S LIST) / 2011 AMERICAN WAR FILM DIRECTED AND CO-PRODUCED BY STEVEN SPIELBERG / NOMINATED FOR SIX ACADEMY AWARDS, TWO GOLDEN GLOBE AWARDS AND FIVE BAFTAS STARRING EMILY WATSON, DAVID THEWLIS, PETER MULLAN, NIELS ARESTRUP AND JEREMY IRVINE / AVAILABLE ON VINYL FOR THE FIRST TIME / 10TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION ON SILVER BULLET COLOURED VINYL Holko, Chewy and crumbs 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 What a random reissue. Shame the score proper can't be expanded anytime soon. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Interesting cover design https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006QCKNAS I think i prefer this one for the trench warfare imagery On 11/21/2011 at 11:47 AM, Jay said: If that is true than I think the maestro definitely made good decisions when sequencing the OST. "Plowing" ends up being the climax of the first "act" of the album (tracks 1-6) so i am glad it was swapped with track 5 to be the end of the act. It bridges better to the second "act" (tracks 7-13) than "Seeding, and Horse Vs Car" would have. Likewise the two halves of No Man's Land combine together perfectly. When that dissonant first half of it appears we are ready for that feeling of isolation, and it leads great into the action second half, which wouldn't sound as good if it just started out of nowhere after track 12. I wish this Jay were still around😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Crazy how it almost seems to be on a case my case basis on whether an OST album arrangement works for him or not 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 I've never once claimed the composer shouldn't be allowed to program their OST album any way they want. Bruce doesn't know what hes talking about Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I never said you did. But, you seem to favor c & c over listenability otherwise. Calm down😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Perhaps he find c&c to be more listenable in certain cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2021 I think the artist should get to craft the OST album any way they want I think when a label gets a license to work with the studio and make a new album from their archives, they should be comprehensive and include everything recorded. It doesn't matter to me if its all in the main program, or some cues are shifted to a bonus tracks area, but everything should be there Most scores work better for me in chronological order than a different order, but its never been an absolute rule by any means Holko, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Right, and its not like all these releases are strictly chronological either, for instance Dracula, Close Encounters, PoA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yea, those are all brilliant new albums! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 There is no reason why expansions shouldn't put a priority on listenability. Zimmer certainly feels that way. Morricone felt that way. JW feels that way, sometimes ( CE3K). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 They do. You just have your own taste and preferences as to what is listenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yes. Leaving each cue in the same order as they were intended for the film doesn't instantly mean an album is not listenable. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It all depends. Likewise, changing the order around doesn't instantly make an album listenable. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. It all depends. John Williams made a War Horse OST album that is mostly chronological, but makes a few changes to a pure chronological order and the ending result is one of the best OST albums of all time, in my opinion, John Williams also made strange choices when deciding which cues to include, and which order to include them in (and which cues to crossfade over each other), when assembling the A.I. Artificial Intellgience OST album, and the result is one of the worse OST albums of his career. In my opinion. The main program of the recent expansions of Home Alone, Jurassic Park, Far and Away, and The Cowboys are 100% chronological and they work beautifully. I wouldn't change the a thing! The main program of the recent expansions of The Lost World, Dracula, Minority Report, are not, and the changes to the chronological improved things in my book! It always depends on the score. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 When I make a custom playlist the default program is chrono. Unless, it doesn't work; for example two consecutive tracks that are very similar I'll split up. I never said my way was the only way. 48 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: They do. You just have your own taste and preferences as to what is listenable. Yes. I am expressing my preference in hopes the LABELS will take it into their decision making. The c and c model rules; I'm just part of a minority trying to make my/our voices heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: John Williams made a War Horse OST album that is mostly chronological, but makes a few changes to a pure chronological order and the ending result is one of the best OST albums of all time, in my opinion, This! 2 hours ago, Jay said: The main program of the recent expansions of The Lost World, Dracula, Minority Report, are not, and the changes to the chronological improved things in my book! Which cues on the LLL Lost World make it non-chronological? I've always thought it was exactly C&C like Jurassic Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 It opens with the end credits! fommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: It opens with the end credits! Ah yes right haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 That was a great decision. It works brilliantly as an overture and bookends nicely with the alternate version (and I was so used to it from the OST; opening with The Island's Voice just wouldn't be the same). It crystalizes why the chronology of each score expansion should be approached on its own merits, rather than having a one-size-fits-all methodology. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: It opens with the end credits! Like THE UNTOUCHABLES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 10/31/2018 at 11:26 PM, filmmusic said: Yes, it has been discussed elsewhere. In the film and album the second chord is a major. But in the signature suite it's written as minor so i guess they're using that one for all subsequent recordings and performances. Also in williams' original sketch it's written as minor. So, maybe it was a podium change when they were recording the music for the film. I like the major version myself. By the way, I wanted to ask, is this cd OOP? I see it's expensive everywhere... (and I haven't bought it still....) 🤐 On 12/10/2018 at 3:05 PM, Jay said: Wow, nicely spotted. Yes, it appears this OST CD is indeed OOP! It's going for $50+ on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LK8NSK/ On 12/10/2018 at 3:09 PM, mstrox said: Oh no.... WAR HORSE!!!!!!!!! It's still in stock at ArkivMusic. http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=654694 They also got Tintin. http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=654695 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 WH is easily available for low prices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just did a breakdown of the OST: Ludwig, Edmilson, enderdrag64 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted August 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2022 And for good measure, here’s the FYC breakdown: 1 Dartmoor 0:00-1:35 1M1 “Dartmoor” 1:35-1:51 1M1 v5 Extended Intro “The Foaling of Joey” 1:51-end 1M1 v5 “Dartmoor” 2 The Auction 1M3 v2 “The Auction” 3 Bringing Joey Home 0:00-0:59 1M4 Rev 0:59-1:22 [unknown] 1:22-1:48 1M4 Rev [continued] 1:48-2:03 [unknown] 2:03-end 1M4 Rev [continued] 4 Bonding With Joey 1M5 “Bonding With Joey” 5 The Whistling Montage 0:00-0:36 1M8 v3 “Whistling Montage” 0:36-end [unknown] 6 Albert Defends Joey and Harnesses 0:00-0:33 2M10 Rev “Albert Defends Joey” 0:33-1:48 2M15 “From House to Barn” 1:48-end 2M20 “Harnessing Joey” 7 Plowing 0:00-0:48 2M25 “Plowing Part 3” 0:48-2:11 2M25 v2 “Plowing Part 3” 2:11-3:01 2M25 v2 Insert 3:01-end 2M25 v2 [continued] 8 Dad’s Medals and Horse vs. Car 0:00-0:10 2M27 “Dad’s Medals” 0:10-0:35 2M27 Insert 0:35-0:54 [unknown] 0:54-end 2M28 v2 “Horse Versus Car” 9 Leaving for France 3M32 v2 “Leaving for France” 10 The Charge 3M35 “The Charge” 11 Surrounded and Captured 3M36 v2 12 The Desertion 4M42 “The Desertion” 13 Joey’s New Friends 4M46 “Joey’s New Friends” 14 Pulling the Cannon 5M54 v1 “Pulling the Cannon” 15 The Death of Topthorn 5M58 “The Death of Topthorn” 16 The Dash Across No Man’s Land 0:00-0:03 7M70 New Intro 0:03-end 7M70 “The Dash Across No Man’s Land” 17 Approaching Trapped Joey 6M62 “Approaching Trapped Joey” 18 The Reunion 0:00-3:00 6M68 “The Reunion” 3:00-3:39 7M74 “End Credits” 3:39-end 6M68 [continued] 19 Remembering Emelie and Finale 0:00-2:15 7M72 “Remembering Emily and Finale” 2:15-end 7M73 v3 “Returning to Dartmoor” 20 End Credits 0:00-1:50 7M74 “End Credits” 1:50-3:17 7M74 Extended Revision 3:17-3:33 1M1 v5 Extended Introduction “The Foaling of Joey” 3:33-4:28 1M v5 “Dartmoor” 4:28-6:48 7M74 [continued] 6:48-7:51 6M68 “The Reunion” 7:51-end 2M25 v2 “Plowing Part 3” crumbs, enderdrag64 and Ludwig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Thank you very much for sharing these OST & FYC breakdowns! The most interesting new information for me is that both film and album track in a part of the end credits into the final reunion scene. Really makes you want to hear his original intention for how the film was supposed to end! Also it's just interesting how many various versions and inserts, etc there are in this score; Everything sounds so fluid if you listen to the OST or the FYC, you'd never guess how often the tracks are switching to different recordings. It looks like a future expanded edition will be quite lengthy! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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