Indiana Jones Unreleased Music Resource

[Vaderbait1 1]

Thanks. To everybody with the DVD, please let us know if you've salvaged anything from the wreck.

I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning

Well, if there's going to be one cue I'll lose myself, it'll be the Mutt thing. Also, the Raiders March. It's already quoted in the soundtrack itself too much. (I wish he had followed up on his approach for the third film, as described in the liner notes...)

Anyone care to tell me how to rip channels and all that? I'm supposing no one has an FTP or anything. I'd like to have Jungle Chase especially, but have no idea how to get the music off SFX-free.

[MikeyKW 0]

The rear channels on the blu-ray are quite clear ... I was able to extract most of the missing cues from them with minimal SFX. Including the concert versions, I ended up with 38 tracks / 104 min. I used the OST where I could and edited the tracks where needed. A few cues (Doom Town, The Chauchilla Graveyard, Three Drops Down) were too quiet, noisy or not worth the bother to rip. The few intrusive SFX are fairly easy to edit out as well. There's some really good unreleased stuff in there; it's a much better listening experience than the OST presentation.

1. Paramount Logo 0:11

2. Area 51 1:21

3. Dovchenko and Irina 2:00

4. Gunpowder and Shotgun Shells 4.24

5. Inside the Crate 2.40

6. Escape From The Warehouse 2:32

7. Mushroom Cloud 0:20

8. Brutal Year and Enter Mutt 2.10

9. Legend Of Akator 0:57

10. A Whirl Through Academe 3.33

11. Flight To Peru 3:07

12. Oxley's Cell 2:16

13. Grave Robbers 0:55

14. Secret Doors and Scorpions 2:17

15. Orellana's Cradle 4:22

16. The Alien Body 0:52

17. "Return" 3:11

18. Auto-Writing 2:10

19. The Snake Pit 3:15

20. Escaping the Truck 0:59

21. The Jungle Chase 9:24

22. Ants! 4:40

23. Waterfall 0:10

24. Through Eyes and Tears 2:56

25. Ancient Protectors 1:33

26. Temple Entrance 2:38

27. Disappearing Stairs 0:35

28. Into The Temple 1:30

29. The Door Opens 2:16

30. The Chamber 2:30

31. Leaving the Temple 3:34

32. The Departure 2:26

33. Knowledge Was Their Treasure 1:53

34. Finale and End Credits 9:19

35. Raiders March 5:05

36. Call of the Crystal 3:49

37. Adventures of Mutt 3:12

38. Irina’s Theme 2:26

[Richard Penna 3,675]

Thanks. To everybody with the DVD, please let us know if you've salvaged anything from the wreck.

I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning

Well, if there's going to be one cue I'll lose myself, it'll be the Mutt thing. Also, the Raiders March. It's already quoted in the soundtrack itself too much. (I wish he had followed up on his approach for the third film, as described in the liner notes...)

I listened to the Mutt track again, and I noticed that particularly in the second half, there are passages that are the same as the Jungle Chase; in fact I noticed an edit where it goes from a piece that's identical to the chase to something different (in other words, that segment was the same recording as Jungle Chase). So there's actually a bit more released from the chase than we thought.

[Lurker 5]

I dropped "The Raiders March", but I used the end of it in the "Finale" so that I don't have to sit through the revised ending.

Neil

So you dont mmmkaying care about movie and score, yet you take your time to edit it.

And you complain about cut and pasted reused music yet you despise a new variation.

I dont understand you at all.

The score works better in sequence.

Thanks for your unneeded concern!

Neil

[Trent B 337]

I couldn't help but notice that in a lot of the action sequences for Crystal Skull, I heard hints of Jango's Escape.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

No, I don't like it. I like the way "The Raiders March" ends.

I like both.

[TownerFan 4,983]

At the beginning of "Warehouse Escape" there's a short passage that sounds very similar to an action section of "Ah, Rats!!!" from Last Crusade (the sequence when the catacomb goes on fire). Did anyone else notice it?

I listened to the Mutt track again, and I noticed that particularly in the second half, there are passages that are the same as the Jungle Chase; in fact I noticed an edit where it goes from a piece that's identical to the chase to something different (in other words, that segment was the same recording as Jungle Chase). So there's actually a bit more released from the chase than we thought.

Well, I think Williams composed "The Adventures of Mutt" as a kind of concertized version of that section from the "Jungle Chase". When he introduced the piece at the Boston concert last May he said "you can listen to this piece in reel 6 of the movie", or something like that.

[Lurker 5]

At the beginning of "Warehouse Escape" there's a short passage that sounds very similar to an action section of "Ah, Rats!!!" from Last Crusade (the sequence when the catacomb goes on fire). Did anyone else notice it?

Yes.

Neil

[TownerFan 4,983]

Oops, sorry. I missed some of the older posts. Thanks!

[Lurker 5]

If you know to listen for it, you can hear it in the movie, but it's not obvious.

Neil

[TownerFan 4,983]

I saw the movie only once so far, and it was last May. I guess that quote slipped away from my ears.

[Lurker 5]

You may have also been distracted by the horribly framed shot of Indy whipping the gun away. I know I was. It's in the TV ads now, and it just looks so bogus and wimpy.

Neil

[Wycket 36]

You may have also been distracted by the horribly framed shot of Indy whipping the gun away. I know I was. It's in the TV ads now, and it just looks so bogus and wimpy.

Neil

For me, its the actual pulling motion he makes that looks terrible to me. It seems like something directly out of the prequels. In the old days, Spielberg would've shown the whip wrapping around the gun and then end up in Indy's hand.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

I couldn't help but notice that in a lot of the action sequences for Crystal Skull, I heard hints of Jango's Escape.

I heard hits of Modern Williams.

As well as vintage villiams.

[Vaderbait1 1]

I couldn't help but notice that in a lot of the action sequences for Crystal Skull, I heard hints of Jango's Escape.

I heard hits of Modern Williams.

As well as vintage villiams.

That's what I liked about KotCS, it successfully blended his styles together.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

And showed that the change in style was intentional and chosen by Williams, and not 'senitlity' as some would like it to be.

[Delorean90 42]

Something is puzzling in "The Jungle Chase." In the film, the statement of Marion's theme starts on brass, continues into strings, and then goes into the action. The music in the pre-viz sequence, however, has only the brass statement, but the brass statement goes into a longer section before resuming as it does in the film. Obviously there is alternate material in some capacity here. What I'm unsure about is whether the music in the film version is edited, or if Williams simply wrote it so that it naturally segued into the later part of what is in the original version. My first thought would be the latter, as the original syncs up perfectly as is.

Any thoughts?

[Richard Penna 3,675]

It's been mentioned before by someone that they just probably just tracked in the Marian statement from Over the Cliff to extend the brass statement.

I tried to incorporate it into one of my edits because I think it strengthens the moment, but the subsequent part just wasn't dense enough to cover the tracked theme just disappearing (I hear dodgy edits all the time in the film, but the music's obviously covered by other things so they get away with it).

[fommes 153]

For all the people who have got the Blu-Ray (I don't have a player myself unfortunately):

how did you rip the rear (and front side) channels?

Is it even possible yet as we do it with DVDs?

[Henry B 50]

Thanks to indy4 for pointing out that there is an alternative version of "Spell of the Skull" on the Special Features menu! Not only is the orchestration a bit different, but the statement of the Ark theme is completed - in the film/album version it gives way to the "military" motif.

Something is puzzling in "The Jungle Chase." In the film, the statement of Marion's theme starts on brass, continues into strings, and then goes into the action. The music in the pre-viz sequence, however, has only the brass statement, but the brass statement goes into a longer section before resuming as it does in the film. Obviously there is alternate material in some capacity here. What I'm unsure about is whether the music in the film version is edited, or if Williams simply wrote it so that it naturally segued into the later part of what is in the original version. My first thought would be the latter, as the original syncs up perfectly as is.

Any thoughts?

It's tracked from "Over the Cliff" - it seems to be identical in orchestration, only a little slower (easily achieved with digital editing). The tip-off is that the final brass notes clearly play without doubling in the strings in the pre-viz version, so it isn't possible that there was material edited out because you would have heard it coming in already.

[Delorean90 42]

Yeah, I just wasn't sure if it was some kind of alternate or not. It's certainly one of the better instances of tracking that I've seen, quite well done--it's up there with the "scoring" of Spider-Man re-entering the burning building in the first film.

As for the "Spell of the Skull" stuff, I had forgotten about that. My first thought was that they had just altered the pitch, but it really doesn't sound like it has been. Cool!

[John Takis 206]

Yeah, I'm betting that's the beginning of an alternate version of "Spell of the Skull." Good catch!

[Joe Brausam 214]

Has anyone edited Ants! together with the rips from the DVD?

[Henry B 50]

It's just the album track and then "Over the Cliffs." They should be separated.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

It's just the album track and then "Over the Cliffs." They should be separated.

But in the movie they are together

They can be sepparated, but i like SW SEs kind of mixings.

[fommes 153]

"Ants" is a standalone piece of music. Separating "Over the Cliff" is the best way to go music-wise, in my opinion.

[Joe Brausam 214]

Okay, that'll be easy enough for me then. Thanks!

[Ollie 1,059]

I love Henry's new avatar.

[Delorean90 42]

"Ants" is a standalone piece of music. Separating "Over the Cliff" is the best way to go music-wise, in my opinion.

Having them together is no different than having the entire "Battle of Hoth" in one track. My version will include them together.

[Richard Penna 3,675]

They play next to each other on the damn playlist - does it really matter whether they're physically separate tracks?

There are some things that just don't seem worth 2 pages on a message board to conclude.

[Delorean90 42]

It just kind of grates on me when you've got the two tracks, and you can hear the musical relation between the end of one and the start of the next, and it's obvious they were meant to flow together, but they're left separate. That's all.

[Henry B 50]

I don't hear much of a flow. They're just two consecutive cues. It's not like "Throne Room / End Title" or something like that where the two cues come together to form a single piece of music.

[indy4 155]

Is that 2:45 of "Ah, Rats!!" I hear when Indy grabs his whip in the warehouse?

[Henry B 50]

Yes.

[indy4 155]

Right...I just searched the word "rats" in the thread.

Maybe I should start reading this thing.

[Vaderbait1 1]

I don't have a blu-ray player, but I'm curious. Is it easier to rip music from Blu-Ray than DVD, and is the relative ease of getting rid of SFX inherent in blu-ray?

[John Crichton 4]

I don't hear much of a flow. They're just two consecutive cues. It's not like "Throne Room / End Title" or something like that where the two cues come together to form a single piece of music.

Agreed. Jungle Chase and Ants are clearly two seperate cues. I haven't had a chance to start my rip yet (this weekend), but I believe there is silence between the two cues.

But bloody hell Henry, appreciate the intent but do I have to see animated Harrison Ford in underwear every time you say something?!

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

There is no silence between them. Just when indy grabs the hat, we see marion duck vehicle arriving.

[fommes 153]

I'm repeating my question from the other thread here: in OST track 13, the part from 2.30 to 2.40, is that part of "Temple Entrance", or "The Gift"?

I followed Henry and John's guides for this (though Jason's cue list suggests otherwise), and included it at the ending of "The Gift". (I haven't got the film myself so I can't check.)

Initially, I cut the 2nd statement because it overlaps with the next cue, and mixed it with "The Secret Revealed" (which works well).

However, I just noticed that these notes are featured right at the beginning of the Ants! Pre-Viz sequence, almost clean, so I'll be integrating those into my edit.

[Henry B 50]

I don't hear much of a flow. They're just two consecutive cues. It's not like "Throne Room / End Title" or something like that where the two cues come together to form a single piece of music.

Agreed. Jungle Chase and Ants are clearly two seperate cues. I haven't had a chance to start my rip yet (this weekend), but I believe there is silence between the two cues.

But bloody hell Henry, appreciate the intent but do I have to see animated Harrison Ford in underwear every time you say something?!

Yes...

YES...

YOU DO.

[Ollie 1,059]

[FattyMcButterpants 1]

Who's that? John Williams?

[Delorean90 42]

Bummer! "Disappearing Staircase" is pretty much unusable; it's chockfull of dialogue echoes.

EDIT: So is the first part of "Hidden Treasure."

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

what are the SFX free DVD cues (not counting pre-viz)

[Henry B 50]

what are the SFX free DVD cues (not counting pre-viz)

"They Weren't You" - Set Up menu

"Spell of the Skull (Alternative)" - Special Features menu

"Automatic Writing" - Scene Selection menu

"Spalko's Dossier" - I don't know

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

what are the SFX free DVD cues (not counting pre-viz)

"They Weren't You" - Set Up menu

"Spell of the Skull (Alternative)" - Special Features menu

"Automatic Writing" - Scene Selection menu

"Spalko's Dossier" - I don't know

I forgot those, I meant true DVD rips. (film rips)

[MissPadmé 17]

there is a truckload of unreleased music in the documentaries themselves.

Are those in 5.1?

"Dissapearing Stairs" is featured several times. also something like an aölternate version of "Departure" is featured in one of the prod diaries (without the trumpetfanfare of the skulls theme!)

I will double check it, maybe the docs are 5.1 on the blu-ray version.

[Laserschwert 475]

there is a truckload of unreleased music in the documentaries themselves.

Are those in 5.1?

Nope. At least on the normal DVD they're in 2.0 at 192 kHz.

[scallenger 483]

there is a truckload of unreleased music in the documentaries themselves.

Are those in 5.1?

Nope. At least on the normal DVD they're in 2.0 at 192 kHz.

Standard DVD is indeed 2.0 but the BLU RAY has all of the special features in HD, so I assume the sound is as well. Anyone got the BLU RAY edition and willing to take a crack at it?

[Delorean90 42]

I've finished my first edit of KOTCS--I may tweak some things, but for the most part it's pretty good.

First off: "Ants" and "Over the Cliff" were definitely meant to segue together. When you sync it up with the film, it's clear that from the time that something was trimmed between Indy getting his hat and Marion driving the duck, but it's also clear that there's no room for a pause, and when you listen, Williams did make it so they would fit. The last bass note on "Ants" fits harmonically with the opening of "Over the Cliff." I thought this would be obvious, but I guess I was mistaken about that. It is a bit tricky to get it to sound right, but once you do, it's pretty good.

I thought that I noticed something missing in the "Warehouse Escape" cue, and I found what it was: the pre-viz music cuts from when Indy drops down from the rafters to the point when the countdown is starting. I haven't checked how clean it is, but I will report on that soon.

As far as clean DVD rips, aside from some tide sounds at the start, "Knowledge Was Their Treasure is completely clean.

Beyond that, there are several spots where even if there are SFX, they aren't terribly intrusive: aside from a few sections, the entire opening up to the end of the warehouse is pretty listenable, and at time SFX free; others are "Doom Town," the remainder of "Spalko's Dossier," "Resignation"; the first part of the statement of Spalko's theme in "Over the Cliff" is clean except for a water noise at the very beginning, but for the actual end of the cue, you'll have to put up with some water SFX; the very beginning of "Through Eyes and Tears" is fairly clean until it transitions to the them exploring the ruins (I just made an edit, but it was hard to make it work);

If you don't mind some crowd background noise (and it is background, not very prominent): "The Train Station," "Legend of Akator," "Knife to a Gun Fight," "Saucer Men" (has some jungle ambience), the remainder of "Automatic Writing" (also has jungle ambience only); the beginning of "Gateway to Akator" has some waterfall/jungle ambience, but is useable; "Hidden Treasure" has a splashing effect as well as the sounds of the guns going off, and there are dialogue echoes at the start (I edited out a small portion where Mac's dialogue echoes, but it's in the middle of the long final note)--even so, I was able to make a good-sounding edit to where it would start with Indy's theme (and it actually makes for a good flow from "Gateway to Akator" in lieu of "Disappearing Stairs").

On the whole, it's a fairly good situation for a rip, although "Disappearing Stairs" is this score's "Over the Himalayas" as far as ripping is concerned--it's loaded with dialogue echoes to be unusable except as a reference.

Also, I believe that "Spalko's Gift" is meant to segue into "The Departure." It makes musical sense, and unless a significant chunk was cut from the final film, there's no way that there was going to be a pause between the two.