206 replies to this topic

[Richard Penna]

Well yes, if we're talking about complete prequel scores then I'm definitely interested in at least RotS. Otherwise...meh.

[Marian Schedenig]

I'll admit I'm not into Star Wars even remotely as much as you guys, but do we need another release??!!??.

If the sound is ok, then yes, we do.

[skyy38]

Maybe THIS time,they'll get tracks 2,3,and 4 from ESB CD-1, *right* as far as chronological sequence is concerned.

Doubt it though.

[fommes]

What do you mean?

[Olivier]

If it sounds good on my iPod, I’m fine with it. If it sounds good on the computer or whatever, great.

Is iPod going to kill quality releases? Why has highly compressed music become the reference for audio quality?

So why is he complaining?

[skyy38]

What I mean is a perfect sequence of music,IN ORDER,that starts at the beginning of ESB and concludes with Han Solo entering the rebel base on Hoth WITHOUT the "other stuff",which could be put elsewhere on the album.

[Vaderbait1]

This will undoubtedly be a third repackaging of the SEs and OSTs for the PT. They seemed to have really dropped the ball with releasing new products lately...

I'd like a version of the SEs that includes every piece of music recorded. I would like it in chronological order and not all screwed aroudn with like ANH SE was, but preferably without any irritating edits. Same goes for the PT. Give it to us as it was recorded in chronological order.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

-Chris, Forever a sucker for SW re-re-re-re-eleases, mainly because my mom always buys them as gifts for me....

Hey no fair!

What I mean is a perfect sequence of music,IN ORDER,that starts at the beginning of ESB and concludes with Han Solo entering the rebel base on Hoth WITHOUT the "other stuff",which could be put elsewhere on the album.

I think the ESB SE is perfect. Some people seem to have some beef with the sound, but I actually think it sounds rather fine I do agree with the consensus on some ROTJ tracks though

[GoodMusician]

not to be rude BurgerFlippinMan, but you also think mp3's sound fine...

It may be weird, but I can listen to a file and tell you what file type it is...just by listening to it...

If you compare the Anthology to the SE, you will notice a lot of ODD changes.

FOr example, they sped up almost every track...why?

Imperial March is sped up, and also the bass heavily removed, not to mention the sound is focused in front rather than being as surround as on the Anthology...

It's like sitting in front of the orchestra with one of those Dog Cones on your head...

The only album I liked of the SE's was ANH... I felt that was the best done. ESB was OK... and ROTJ was just plain packaged shit.

Here's to hoping they package at least warm shit this time...

[BurgaFlippinMan]

not to be rude BurgerFlippinMan, but you also think mp3's sound fine...

Its alright, because I really cant tell the difference between my CDs and 320 mp3s. Not on my crappy PC speakers, not on my JVC micro-compo and not on my NAD C320BEE amp+Wharfedale Diamond 9.1s+Marantz CD5001 CD player. Is it one of those things which you notice only when you know what to look for?

If you compare the Anthology to the SE, you will notice a lot of ODD changes.

FOr example, they sped up almost every track...why?

Imperial March is sped up, and also the bass heavily removed, not to mention the sound is focused in front rather than being as surround as on the Anthology...

It's like sitting in front of the orchestra with one of those Dog Cones on your head...

The only SW releases I have heard are the SE discs. Maybe thats part of the reason.

[GoodMusician]

yea... I know people who've listened to ROTJ and said it sounded fine...

I almost died...

I'm a string player as well, so I know what strings should sound like... and I also listen for them. ROTJ murders their sound to the point where they are almost not present.

ESB is ok, but the sound is definately tinkered with... why they felt the need to narrow it is beyond me...

[Luke Skywalker]

I'm a string player as well, so I know what strings should sound like... and I also listen for them. ROTJ murders their sound to the point where they are almost not present.

Luke and Leia is mostly strings and it can be heard...

[Mr. Breathmask]

Listen to Through the Flames from the Anthology. Then listen to The Main Reactor on the SE.

[fommes]

What I mean is a perfect sequence of music,IN ORDER,that starts at the beginning of ESB and concludes with Han Solo entering the rebel base on Hoth WITHOUT the "other stuff",which could be put elsewhere on the album.

I know what you meant actually Could you provide timings? Which other stuff shouldn't be in there? Do you mean alternates etc. I know about the first 1:14 on track 4 which is an alternate for the opening.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I think the film version put in track 4 is the only "other stuff"

[Mark Olivarez]

What I mean is a perfect sequence of music,IN ORDER,that starts at the beginning of ESB and concludes with Han Solo entering the rebel base on Hoth WITHOUT the "other stuff",which could be put elsewhere on the album.

Oh you want the chopped hacked version ala TPM Ultimate Edition instead of the original complete cues as Williams wrote and intended them to be.

[Vaderbait1]

The TPM UE gets a bad rep. It's not nearly as bad as the beginning of ESB in the film. Don't even attempt to sequence the music in ESB, the edits are akin to the Arena Battle in AOTC.

[Luke Skywalker]

NOT THAT much...

At least Williams got to composed some music for ESB scenes...

[Vaderbait1]

True, at least it's new music. I simply meant that it was butchered together where it couldn't possibly sound good without sound effects to cover things up.

[Stefancos]

Yes but that's why Nick Redman and Mike Mattesino did not release a 2 CD set with those edits, but with what John Williams composed for the film instead.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[John Crichton]

The TPM UE gets a bad rep.  It's not nearly as bad as the beginning of ESB in the film.

Now I'll be the first to argue that bad music editing didn't start in the prequels (There's some real "gems" in Jedi in particular), but this comparison is just silly. All those final film edits in the OT didn't find their way onto CD. And they aren't nearly as bad as the ones in the prequels. Well, TPM and AOTC at least. Other than the tracked music ROTS seems to come of pretty well editing wise.

[Mark Olivarez]

The TPM UE gets a bad rep.  It's not nearly as bad as the beginning of ESB in the film.  Don't even attempt to sequence the music in ESB, the edits are akin to the Arena Battle in AOTC.

Uh yeah............

[Vaderbait1]

The problem with TPM isn't the jarring edits that obviously don't sound good together (at least when compared to the beginning of ESB and the end of AOTC), it's that some people didn't like that it wasn't how it was originally recorded. I'm talking the quality of the edits here. I never could tell that TPM was torn apart and re-edited back before I became an audiophile, but I could tell right away AOTC and ESB were.

[Stefancos]

That's just a load of crap!

[Vaderbait1]

Well, maybe not ESB, but AOTC was god-awful. I didn't notice the differences in ESB until I tried to edit it.

[Stefancos]

That's the point. In TPM and AOTC one can hear the edits while seeing the film.

TESB's edits are no were near as bad.

[robthehand]

I actually think TESB's edits helped the film (mostly). The scenes where music was written by cut probably work better because of it. TPM's edits are horrible and messy, while AOTC (I believe) actually has a few jump-cuts in the music.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I actually think TESB's edits helped the film (mostly). The scenes where music was written by cut probably work better because of it.

Definitely. It was a poorly spotted film, but most of it was luckily corrected at the final stages of post-production.

[Henry Buck]

I have to admit, the Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition was my first CD (set) ever, and when I got it, I couldn't tell it was hacked apart at all. When I played the TPM computer game, I thought, "huh, I don't recognize this action music, was it for a cut scene?"

Hah.

The funny part is that TPM isn't even edited for a good reason. Listen to d2 t17 "The Republic Pilots Take Off Into Space," then listen to OST t12 "Panaka and the Queen's Protectors." Up to 35 seconds, the original cue in fact matches the film perfectly. It didn't need to be resequenced and looped at all.

[Demodex]

I'd like a version of the SEs that includes every piece of music recorded.  I would like it in chronological order and not all screwed aroudn with like ANH SE was, but preferably without any irritating edits.   Same goes for the PT.  Give it to us as it was recorded in chronological order.

How in the world was ANH "all screwed around with"???? It sounds great. And where are these irritating edits? I can't hear any of them.

[Henry Buck]

The Star Wars SE does combine several cues that should have been left separate, like "X-wings Draw Fire" and "Use the Force." However, it's completely in chronological order, with the exception of "Princess Leia's Theme," "Binary Sunset (Alternative)," and the five takes of "Main Title."

[Mark Olivarez]

That's the point. In TPM and AOTC one can hear the edits while seeing the film.

TESB's edits are no were near as bad.

He speaks the truth.

[king mark]

Well except the tracking of Hyperspace over the snowspeeder search at the beginning.That has always bothered me.

K.M.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I think the snowspeeder music might have been to "jolly" for that scene. Hyperspace has more urgency to it.

[Chris ChrusherComix]

If the boxed set has complete "as-recorded-by-Williams" versions from all 6 films, it will be my favorite boxed set in the history of mankind.

If its repackaged poop that we already have, and especially no prequel expansions... then we should send them back and demand a refund.

Personally, I feel like they will be improvements. The other ones are still in-print, so why would they release them again? Its nonsensical! Sony released the repackaged ones because they won the rights to and the previous publisher stopped printing them. Unless Sony lost the rights, I see absolutely no reason why these won't be more definitive versions.

But will it be all 6 scores? Or just the OCT?

-Chris

PS- I love all ESB music, but the edits still work in the film - though I'd love a DVD with all of the music properly replaced. AOTC was the only one where the edits were terrible throughout. TPM and ROTS were only poorly edited in small spots (in comparison to Clones, that is).

[BurgaFlippinMan]

Well except the tracking of Hyperspace over the snowspeeder search at the beginning.That has always bothered me.

K.M.

That bothered me in the same way the 'missing' piano hits for the AT AT did.

[Chris ChrusherComix]

Yep. And for some reason, I love the Anthology's louder percussion in Luke's 1st Crash. As I also do with the Sith mixes that have louder percussion as well.

[Mark Olivarez]

If its repackaged poop that we already have, and especially no prequel expansions... then we should send them back and demand a refund.

-Chris

If that's the case I wouldn't even waste my time buying it in the first place.

[ymenard]

ANH:SE > TESB:SE > ROTJ:SE > ROTS > AOTC > TPM >(insert every other release) > TPM:UE


I cannot even listen to the TPM:UE, edits flow in average each 30 seconds. My ears hurt. It's got a nice sound quality, for sure. And it's a nice Johnny score. But everything else is pure edited crap-o-matic.

To even compare the RCA/Victor stuff to it is pure blasphemy on this board. There's perhaps half a dozen edits in TESB and ROTJ. There's hundreds of them in the TPM:UE. It's not even an uneducated opinion, it's heresy!

[Trent Bennett]

As I said I for one will buy this box set in a heart beat. It's great to speculate but there's such a thing as over-speculating. We just have to wait until the time grows closer to get more offical information. Only 9 months left gents.