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[ebertfan92]

If 10 animation filmmakers were gathered together to create the perfect animated film, the following 10 guys would be the best.

What do you think?

Ralph Bakshi
Brad Bird
Don Bluth
Tim Burton
Yoshiaki Kawajiri
John Lasseter
Hayao Miyazaki
Nick Park
Martin Rosen
Richard Williams

[Marian Schedenig]

So it would be a hand-drawn rotoscoped claymation CGI movie with a score by Joe Hisaishi and Danny Elfman? :?

[ymenard]

It would have a melancholic/remembering-childhood piano song in the middle of the movie by Randy Newman.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

isnt Beauty and the Beast already perfect?

[Romão]

Pretty much, IMHO.

[QuestionMarkMan]

*cough* Iron Giant *cough*

[John McClane]

All the recent computer animated movies looks fine to me.

[Alexcremers]

isnt Beauty and the Beast already perfect?

Sadly, it has some CGI experiments that stick out from the rest of the film. Also, you have to dig Disney's rather kitschy design style. Personally, I'm glad Pixar has changed the landscape.

[Mr. Breathmask]

*cough* Iron Giant *cough*

Yes! Yes! Yes!

- Marc, Iron Giant fan.

[Docteur Qui]

The Incredibles.

Anything Bird touches turns to gold.

[Stefancos]

Sadly, it has some CGI experiments that stick out from the rest of the film.

They looked so fabulous though back in 1991.
I guess we just didn't know better.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

I still think it looks fabulous. :?

[Luke Skywalker]

The perfect animated movie would be one scored by Williams

[Alexcremers]

I still think it looks fabulous. :?

I guess you do, judging from your avatar .

[Joey]

how many of those people worked on Beauty and the Beast, a perfect animated film.

[deimos]

I could consider Beauty and the Beast to be the best animated film ever. Perfect? Hard to say, since nothing is perfect.

[tpigeon]

isnt Beauty and the Beast already perfect?

Sadly, it has some CGI experiments that stick out from the rest of the film. Also, you have to dig Disney's rather kitschy design style. Personally, I'm glad Pixar has changed the landscape.

You never fail to surprise me, Alex. Beauty and the Beast is a gorgeous looking film. It's design and animation are superb, including the ballroom dance sequence. It is one of Disney's very best efforts and one of the best animated films.

Ted

[Alexcremers]

Sorry but I find this ugly.

[Stefancos]

It looks 80's-like!

[tpigeon]

How long does that shot last? I'm sure it looks better in the film, rather than as a still. What surprised me most about what you said is your happiness over Pixar changing everything.

Ted

[Stefancos]

Pixar films thankfully have a less syrupy, more modern sensibility. And i'm not just talking animation. There's a cleverness there that I found lacking in many of the big Disney films of the 80's and 90's I grew up with. (Most of them basically just reworkings of old fairy tails or folk tails)

There's no way Disney on it's own would ever have touched a script like The Incredibles.

[Alexcremers]

How long does that shot last? I'm sure it looks better in the film, rather than as a still. What surprised me most about what you said is your happiness over Pixar changing everything.

I'm extremely happy about that. I simply couldn't watch their classic style anymore (80s and 90s). I still like the very old Disney animation, where everything, even the colouring, was done by hand.


Alex

[Stefancos]

Oliver & Company always looked to me like it was something Disney made for TV, very run of the mill.

Of course now it's even worse with Bambi II and Cinderella 3 coming out...

The mouse has lost it's magic.

[Mark Olivarez]

*cough* Iron Giant *cough*

I agree.


Finding Nemo and The Incredibles are two other films that rank high.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

I still think it looks fabulous. :?

I guess you do, judging from your avatar .

I never claimed my avatar to be fabulous looking! Anyway I couldnt get him to look any closer...you dont want to see my attempted Nicole Kidman

Sorry but I find this ugly.

I think it looks alright, the actual shot looks great though.

[Luke Skywalker]

Of course now it's even worse with Bambi II coming out...

Its been out there for almost a year...

[tpigeon]

Pixar's Animation is second to none. There's no question about that. But with animated films of the past ten years or so, the characters and stories are so self-aware that I've lost interest in a lot of them. DreamWorks is more guilty of this, but a great deal of animated films' stories are excuses for a bunch of cultural "in" jokes. The stories are often incredibly weak. Films like Shrek and The Incredibles or two of the best because they manage to tell good stories despite being so much about stories. But I find the humor in others to be very irritating. Like I said, Pixar is mostly terrific - I'm referring mostly to mainstream animation in general these days.

With the late 80's/early 90's era of animation, there were always cute jokes, but they never went too far. The stories may have been re-hashed, but at least the films took them somewhat seriously. Beauty and the Beast was a great story beautifully told with vibrant designs and colors, and incredible imagination. There is real storytelling there, as well as in The Lion King and The Little Mermaid.

Ted

[Pieter_Boelen]

I find Mulan to also be a very good animated film. Jerry Goldsmith's score helps a lot, of course.

[pixie_twinkle]

Jan Svankmajer
Karel Zemen
Yuri Norstein
Jiri Barta

Now THAT would be a great animated movie!

[Genius_Gone_Insane]

I want to see "Watership Down" again. The original, of course.

[pixie_twinkle]

There's a remake?

[deimos]

Disney's all sugar concept was good for the time it was invented, and for almost 3 decades years it worked ok. It was very simple, but incredibly succesful at the same time: use an old tale, change so it's not too scary (Grimm's specially) and add a few nice songs. When Disney died it took the studio 20 years to get back to making classics (they abandonded the old formula, and the original stories formula didn't work).

They rethought the idea in the late 80's, and what they come up with was good enough for me, and I consider them to be classics , maybe in a different way that the old ones. I'm taking about Little Mermaid, B&tB, Aladdin, Lion King,... They realised they had to update a concept a bit, so in most cases they had some, let's say, less childish humour. In Aladdin it's crystal clear: Abu for kids and the Genie for adults. And it worked ok for some years. Why? Because it was good and there was nothing else.

And then Dreamworks and Pixar came into scene, with a different aproach: what if we write scripts in which kids are not the main targets? And voilà, it was a revolution in animation: it was not only for kids anymore. Something the Japanese have known since they started making manga and anime, and that was not that clear in the western world. When I was a preteen, going to see a Disney movie was like embarrasing (cause they were for kids). And now, both pre-teens, teens and adults are eager to see the new Shrek, or the last Pixar. Cause they are adult movies. And what's great for the studio is that the old idea of animation is for kids is still floating around, so kids are still eager to go to see Pixar movies. Let's make money.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I really, really need to finally do that Disney renting spree. I have never seen The Little Mermaid, and I don't think I've seen Beauty and the Beast since somewhere around 1993. I've also never seen the English version of Aladdin. Have to hear Robin Williams.

- Marc, trying to imagine the look on the rental store guy's face when he walks up to the counter with a bunch of Disney DVDs...

[JMan]

Greatest goes from Bambi with its awesome animation to Incredibles! Radical difference huh?

[Red Rabbit]

Is anyone here a Miyazaki fan? He is truely one of the best animators to come out in the last 20 years.

[RomanticStrings]

I think that a cartoon Parsifal would be the perfect animated film

~Conor

[Mark Olivarez]

Is anyone here a Miyazaki fan? He is truely one of the best animators to come out in the last 20 years.

How silly of me to forget Miyazaki. You could add several of his films to the list.

[Romão]

I simply hate the shrek movies. What a lame type of humor.

[Joey]

Pixar's Animation is second to none. There's no question about that. But with animated films of the past ten years or so, the characters and stories are so self-aware that I've lost interest in a lot of them. DreamWorks is more guilty of this, but a great deal of animated films' stories are excuses for a bunch of cultural "in" jokes. The stories are often incredibly weak. Films like Shrek and The Incredibles or two of the best because they manage to tell good stories despite being so much about stories. But I find the humor in others to be very irritating. Like I said, Pixar is mostly terrific - I'm referring mostly to mainstream animation in general these days.

With the late 80's/early 90's era of animation, there were always cute jokes, but they never went too far. The stories may have been re-hashed, but at least the films took them somewhat seriously. Beauty and the Beast was a great story beautifully told with vibrant designs and colors, and incredible imagination. There is real storytelling there, as well as in The Lion King and The Little Mermaid.

Ted

I completely disagree, since I find that type of animation to be odd.

as for what alex said about Beauty and the Beast, I don't find that out of character for him.

[John McClane]

Woah, this is possibly the first time I disagree with you, Romão!

I like Shrek, its movies parodies, and the succesfull attempt to not make a cartoon only for children.