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[Incanus]

So Connolly was more interested in fishing in NZ than the role.

You really need to reread The Hobbit! In the book, it is said that Dain is known as "Ironfoot The Fisherman".

Connolly is just preparing for his role!

I bet he also uses that excuse when he goes off boozing for 5 days a week.

[KK.]

Hey guys,
I'm not sure if I should be sharing this, but I trust you guys quite a bit to share this news. Well, over the past few days I've been communicating with Doug Adams over email and I managed to finally pull something out of him (it took some convincing) about the Hobbit score and I'm not sure if it will be to all our liking.

Being Howard Shore, apparently the man has already started working on the score (coming up with themes and stuff). But apparently Peter Jackson doesn't exactly love what he's hearing. So he's apparently been thinking of bringing in some assistant composers to help Shore out. Apparently his reasoning is that he wants to take the Hobbit in a "new musical direction". They'll probably still use Shore's themes and the new ones he's already started making for the film, but apparently he wants the style of the music to change.

So it seems like Jackson hasn't really recovered from the "artistic differences" in King Kong. God knows what all this means. All I managed to get out Doug was that there will be a couple of additional composers working with Shore. I never got any names, in fact I don't think Jackson picked them yet (God forbid they turn out to be RC/MV guys...but Jackson never liked those guys anyways).

At this rate, Shore could get kicked off the project like he did for King Kong. They'll probably use his themes (like the Dwarf company theme in the trailer) but have someone else compose the music. This sucks so much!!! What a way to destroy 2012

Of course nothing is certain at this point...Let's hope things turn out to go for the better...

[alicebrallice]

no one fools alicebrallice on april 1st, you fool!

[Incanus]

I pity the April Fools!

[BloodBoal]

I pity the April Fools!

Yeah, that's very lame of you, K.K.. I thought you were worth more than that. Apparently, I was wrong.

You're not the Merciful One anymore. You're the Pitiful One.

[Marian Schedenig]

Fly, you fools!

[BloodBoal]

Fly, you fools!

Didn't Gandalf's fall with the Balrog happened on the 1st of April, by the way?


* Goes to check in the Appendix *

Yep. Tolkien had a pretty damn good sense of humor.

[Incanus]

You obviously have some revised version of the novel BloodBoal. Perhaps it is the Short Cut to a Few Too Many Weird Mushrooms Edition.

[KK.]

I pity the April Fools!

Yeah, that's very lame of you, K.K.. I thought you were worth more than that. Apparently, I was wrong.

You're not the Merciful One anymore. You're the Pitiful One.

Careful Messenger, I've been lenient and merciful with you thus far, but thine foolishness and mockery will lead to your downfall. Thine hesitance to take in the spirit of this foul day disappoints me...I expected more from you...

You obviously have some revised version of the novel BloodBoal. Perhaps it is the Short Cut to a Few Too Many Weird Mushrooms Edition.

That's one my favourite editions, second to A Conspiracy Undressed by the Looney Elf Maiden edition.

[BloodBoal]

You obviously have some revised version of the novel BloodBoal. Perhaps it is the Short Cut to a Few Too Many Weird Mushrooms Edition.

No, the version you're talking about is the one with Hiltunen's cover art.

My version is The Annotated Lord Of The Rings - The Goofy Loofy Edition with annotations by G.R.R. Tolkien

Yeah, that's very lame of you, K.K.. I thought you were worth more than that. Apparently, I was wrong.

You're not the Merciful One anymore. You're the Pitiful One.

Careful Messenger, I've been lenient and merciful with you thus far, but thine foolishness and mockery will lead to your downfall. Thine hesitance to take in the spirit of this foul day disappoints me...I expected more from you...

You do not scare me, Pitiful One.

You know what they say: You can fool me once, you can fool my twice, but you can fool me thrice, since this word doesn't exist.

[Pasi Tiitinen]

hey I liked that rejection story. I think it would have been good for the movie.

They still had have that dwarf company theme which is obviously stolen from the HOOk Wendy Tells Peter the Truth.

[KK.]

hey I liked that rejection story. I think it would have been good for the movie.

They still had have that dwarf company theme which is obviously stolen from the HOOk Wendy Tells Peter the Truth.

Do you have something against Shore and the Lord of the Rings hornist? And the dwarf company theme is not at all stolen from the Hook melody you mentioned...

[Pasi Tiitinen]

Of course not, it was meant to be humor...

[Incanus]

Of course not, it was meant to be humor...

A difficult concept that. Humor. Can blow up in your face. Quite often does.

[BloodBoal]

Of course not, it was meant to be humor...

A difficult concept that. Humor. Can blow up in your face. Quite often does.

It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing. Such a little thing.

[Stefancos]

The Messenger has brought us no news for scores of ages! He has failed us. Rohan has not come!

[BloodBoal]

Hey, blame Ghân-Buri-Ghân. The guy wouldn't let me pass through Druadan Forest! The rotter!

[Incanus]

Hey, blame Ghân-Buri-Ghân. The guy wouldn't let me pass through Druadan Forest! The rotter!

You expect help from barbarian pygmies? You should put all that bright cold iron and fire to better use. Down the woses! Burn their forests! Rip them all down! We need news!

[KK.]

Of course not, it was meant to be humor...

My apologies then

The Messenger has brought us no news for scores of ages! He has failed us. Rohan has not come!

I believe the Messenger may have fallen to darkness long ago, and perhaps without our knowing...

Of course not, it was meant to be humor...

A difficult concept that. Humor. Can blow up in your face. Quite often does.

It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing. Such a little thing.

Tell me, my friend, when did BloodBoal the Messenger abandon reason for madness?!

[BloodBoal]

So you have chosen... death.

Muhaha...

Muhahahaha...

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[Faleel]

Not-so-important news: http://www.wbshop.co...bbit-Shirt.html

the official T-shirt!

[Stefancos]

I wants it...i NEEDS it!

[Incanus]

The board is set, the merchandise is moving.

It's kind of creepy that Bilbo steps right through your chest when you wear that shirt.

[BloodBoal]

First pics of Laketown.

Spoiler

Yeah, I know, we don't see much, but I had to post it anyway since I didn't want El Don or The Merciful One to show off like last time "Hey, look, I've got something the Messenger didn't know about!"

[Incanus]

Hey those pics (aside from the half naked man posing below the spoiler tags) look promising. Thanks Messenger. You are such a great guy! Keep up the good, should I say most excellent work!

[BloodBoal]

Thanks Messenger. You are such a great guy! Keep up the good, should I say most excellent work!

What's that? Are you trying to get something from me? I don't like people that are being nice to me. Most of them are dicks. What is it that you want? Money? Gold? Women? Golden women?

[Faleel]

Some "news" about the hobbit score from Dougie Doug D Dadams!

http://www.musicoflo...ng%20Discussion

Hi all,

The question on everyone's lips/fingertips right now is: "when are we going to get some information on the Hobbit's music?" The short of it is, I've been asked to not talk about The Hobbit yet. I can tell you that Howard Shore is working on it, and has been for some time now. I'll even go a step beyond that and tell you that he's made a handful of trips to New Zealand already, and will continue on his "long commute" schedule (a few weeks here, a few weeks there) during the summer. But beyond that, I can't tell you specifics regarding new themes, big moments, etc.

Composing is a very conceptual thing. It's much like writing in that sense. 95% of what one does occurs prior to a physical product, yet that physical product is what one is really creating. (For The Hobbit, that physical product will be scores, parts, and a recording.) I can't imagine being a sculptor -- no matter how much careful planning a sculptor tends to, concept and execution are essentially the same. You chip away the first bit of marble and it's gone, forever dedicated to an immovable goal. That's got to be a lot of pressure ... although the neat, self-contained process must be exhilarating. Music is more like writing a play, perhaps. The final staging is the goal, but most of the creative work happens prior to that point. That's not to suggest that the final staging is any less creative, but in terms of pure percentages, most of the work involves quiet dreaming, paper, graphite, and ink. (Computers de-romanticize my flowery imagery here, but of course they're essential.) For a composer, like a writer, everything that leads to that last 5% of execution is fluid, thus subject to editing, revisions, and whole-scale 're-do's. This is precisely why most composers don't like to speak publicly about works as they're being created. As soon as one says something publicly, the music is in a box, conceptually frozen. That's antithetical to a composer's creative process.

Some of these lessons I learned during the long-gestating The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films. Every once in a while I shared a inchoate idea of mine that suddenly everyone latched onto. And it was tough to go back and explain that I was sharing early notions and that we now had a better, clearer notion of where we were headed. Chronicled, it looks like indecisiveness; it looks messy! The reality of it is, this is how things are created.

Think of it this way: if this were April, 2003 and I was to starting run on about the score to The Return of the King, you'd be hearing about all the male vocalists lined up, and about this new song "Use Well the Days" that was meant to close the score. We all understand the progression of these ideas now, and certainly they haven't been swept under the rug or treated as some sort of secret shame. In fact, the whole point on The Rarities Archive is that these early ideas have their own beauty. But how distracting would it have been to sit down to ROTK in its full glory and find that these elements had been rethought?

Oh, if you prefer a food analogy: they're currently baking you the grandest cake imaginable. I'm not about to start feeding you raw eggs in preparation.

Peter Jackson is running a pretty transparent production right now, but note that the script to The Hobbit was created in quiet solitude. The reason he can be transparent now is because the production has entered the execution stage -- the ideas are in place. Later this summer, Shore will likewise cross the terminus into the next stage of his process. At that point, ideas will be in place, music-driven moments will be fully shaped, pacing and architecture will polished, and the music of The Hobbit will be ready to be realized. That also when there will be (considerably!) more to say.

***

I like to keep my current projects in folders on top of the filing cabinet in my office. I realize this sort of defeats the purpose a cabinet, but such is life. Right now there are two folders atop the cabinet: one fat, one thin. The fat folder pertains to my current project, the one I've been hinting about lately. I'll have more to say on that subject soon, probably in May and June. The thin folder is The Hobbit folder. Inside are a few notes, a few ideas. It's a little lean, but it's begun.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Interesting. The last mention of "The Hobbit" in his post links to this web page:

http://www.musicofthehobbit.com/

But when I go there, I get a 503 error.

Good post by Doug though, makes perfect sense. I want my first exposure to the music (outside of any that appears to in upcoming trailers) to be when I pop the OST in. I'm glad he won't be discussing the ideas that were scrapped along the way until long after the movies are done and Complete Recordings / Rarity Archives released.

[Faleel]

its just a "redirect" back to Musicoflotr.com

[gkgyver]

First pics of Laketown.

Spoiler

Yeah, I know, we don't see much, but I had to post it anyway since I didn't want El Don or The Merciful One to show off like last time "Hey, look, I've got something the Messenger didn't know about!"

Whoa!

Not Laketown, I mean the security guard.
He should have played Bombur!

[Incanus]

I guess they were going for the security guard being so wide no one could sneak past him to the Lake-Town sets.

Perhaps he is some sort of emergy Bombur stomach double when they need quick close up of his gut.

[BloodBoal]

I'm glad he won't be discussing the ideas that were scrapped along the way until long after the movies are done and Complete Recordings / Rarity Archives released.

Wow, you really are an optimistic buffoon, aren't you?

They won't release the Complete Recordings of The Hobbit. Sony won't allow it.

[Richard Penna]

It just occurred to me that the score for the first movie will be almost a decade since Shore wrote RotK.

That's a long time for a composing style to change. Maybe I'm naive, but the idea of having LotR scores 4 and 5 is a good one

[BloodBoal]

Behold the Smauglock: Half Sherlock, half Smaug, 100% Benedict Cumberbatch!

[Jason LeBlanc]

Damn, that just made me wish season 3 of Sherlock was around the corner

[Stefancos]

I hope I won't be thinking about Sherlock when i see The Hobbit part 2

[BloodBoal]

I hope I won't be thinking about Smaug when I see Sherlock Holmes season 3

[Charlie Brigden]

I hope I won't be thinking about Shore when I hear Newton Howard's replacement score.

[Stefancos]

I hope I won't be thinking about Smaug when I see Sherlock Holmes season 3

You won't, because it will pre-date the second film...

[BloodBoal]

And...? That doesn't mean I won't be like: "OMG, he's gonna play Smaug in The Hobbit!!" when watching season 3.

Think, Cosman, think!