Mulan - Goldsmith Score
#1
Posted 11 January 2008 - 09:33 PM
#2
Posted 11 January 2008 - 10:38 PM
Hi! Do you like "Mulan"? I'm very like Goldsmith score. I have a question... What kind of motif do you Hear in "Suite from Mulan" (4:38 - 7:07). I think it is "love Theme", but I not sure.
Great score. One of Jerry's finest of the late '90s. There's not really a Love Theme per se in the score but more a self-actualizing one or self-empowering one. I think the theme you speak of is derived from the song Reflections which wasn't written by Goldsmith. If it's the other one, which is more of the daughter-father theme, that was penned by Goldsmith and beautifully realized in the last couple tracks in the promo CD release. Sadly lacking on the official score though. Someone really needs to put out this expanded score. It's excellent. How Goldsmith did NOT win an OScar for this is beyond me. Really.
#4
Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:06 PM
Hi! Do you like "Mulan"? I'm very like Goldsmith score. I have a question... What kind of motif do you Hear in "Suite from Mulan" (4:38 - 7:07). I think it is "love Theme", but I not sure.
Great score. One of Jerry's finest of the late '90s. There's not really a Love Theme per se in the score but more a self-actualizing one or self-empowering one. I think the theme you speak of is derived from the song Reflections which wasn't written by Goldsmith. If it's the other one, which is more of the daughter-father theme, that was penned by Goldsmith and beautifully realized in the last couple tracks in the promo CD release. Sadly lacking on the official score though. Someone really needs to put out this expanded score. It's excellent. How Goldsmith did NOT win an OScar for this is beyond me. Really.
No it is not theme from "Reflections". Theme from"Reflections" is in "Suite from..." (1:45 - 3:35). I asked about Jerry Goldsmith theme.
#5
Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:22 PM
- Patrick Bateman on the Maestro
#6
Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:25 PM
Alan Menken? None of his scores compare to Goldsmith's level of excellence implemented in Mulan.

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#7
Posted 12 January 2008 - 12:48 AM
Matthew Wilder's contributions are significantly underrated, though. Goldsmith's thematic material is strong, to be sure, but Wilder's melodies (woven in seamlessly by Goldsmith) help lift the score to 4-star heights.Hi! Do you like "Mulan"? I'm very like Goldsmith score. I have a question... What kind of motif do you Hear in "Suite from Mulan" (4:38 - 7:07). I think it is "love Theme", but I not sure.
Great score. One of Jerry's finest of the late '90s. There's not really a Love Theme per se in the score but more a self-actualizing one or self-empowering one. I think the theme you speak of is derived from the song Reflections which wasn't written by Goldsmith.
#8
Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:32 AM
Goldsmith should have gotten an Oscar for this.
#9
Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:36 AM
Goldsmith hardly used the song themes in his score though. The suite is a big exception here, but it appears nowhere in the film.
#10
Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:57 AM
#11
Posted 12 January 2008 - 04:14 AM
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
#12
Posted 12 January 2008 - 04:39 AM
- Patrick Bateman on the Maestro
#13
Posted 12 January 2008 - 05:11 AM
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
#14
Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:09 AM
#15
Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:07 AM
#16
Posted 12 January 2008 - 02:13 PM
#17
Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:12 PM
He lost because the Academy were used to the sing-a-long simplicity of the Menken Disney efforts.
The only reason I'm glad he didn't win is because the song-writers would share the award with him. And most of those songs are terrible.
#18
Posted 12 January 2008 - 05:31 PM
#19
Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:10 PM
#20
Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:45 PM
The Mulan score is really good, but best animated score? Sticking with Goldsmith, I'd say NIMH is quite a bit better still. And then there's Rosenman to consider.
Indeed. And then there's Horner's contributions...
#21
Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:19 PM
Oh how much do I love "The Secret of NIMH" It's Goldsmith's family friendly equivalent of Poltergeist. Both are great scores.The Mulan score is really good, but best animated score? Sticking with Goldsmith, I'd say NIMH is quite a bit better still.

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#22
Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:28 PM
Oh, of course. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is maybe my favorite animated score of all time, it being Menken's greatest work.And there's no denying Menken did write some fantastic stuff.
- Patrick Bateman on the Maestro
#23
Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:36 PM
Enchanted is really good by him. My favourite Menken score to date though would have to be "Aladdin".Oh, of course. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is maybe my favorite animated score of all time, it being Menken's greatest work.

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#24
Posted 13 January 2008 - 03:04 AM
#25
Posted 13 January 2008 - 04:33 AM
#26
Posted 13 January 2008 - 05:18 AM
A breath of fresh air, amidst a field of stale monotonous mickey mousing.
#27
Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:11 AM
#28
Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:16 AM
Wrong. He lost because the voters didn't want to deal with listening to all the scores in the Original Musical or Comedy Score and went with the movie they all knew about and were voting for elsewhere: "Shakespeare in Love." I think they remembered the songs more than the score, which has been described here as inferior to the score. Which they were.He lost because the Academy were used to the sing-a-long simplicity of the Menken Disney efforts.
While we're on the topic of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame," I agree it's Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz's best collaboration. They lost the Oscar because voters didn't think Menken deserved NINE Oscars, so they gave it to Rachel Portman, who wouldn't have stood a chance if "Pochahontas" hadn't been released the year before. Voters didn't want another "Beauty" and "Aladdin" double win.
It's all so terribly political, and ignorant, when looking back on many of the Oscar winners for Original Score. At least they were fine with giving a lesbian an Oscar for writing a song for Al Gore's documentary.

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#29
Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:36 AM
#30
Posted 13 January 2008 - 07:54 AM
01. Honor To Us AllDoes anyone have a chronological tracklist for the promo?
02. Reflection
03. Man Out of You
04. A Girl Worth Fighting For
05. True to Your Heart
06. Attack At the Wall
07. Preparation
08. The Matchmaker
09. Short Hair
10. One Chance
11. The Master Plan
12. Shan Yu
13. Blossoms
14. Shoulders Back
15. Ping
16. The Real Work
17. Morning Assembly
18. Deserted Village
19. Bogus Letter
20. Letter Delivered
21. The Doll Survives
22. Save the Cannons
23. The Huns Attack
24. Avalanche
25. What's Wrong with Ping?
26. Truth All Around
27. Imperial Palace
28. The Imperial Palace
29. Sword Snatcher
30. Boo
31. A Lucky Bug
32. Gratitude
33. The Pendant
34. The Sword
35. Reflection (End Credit)
Of course, things can't be simple. There's another tracklist that varies (the German Emperor Entertainment release):
1. Main Title (01:09)
2. Attack At the Wall (02:15)
3. Preparations (02:55)
4. The Matchmaker (01:54)
5. Blossoms (03:05)
6. Short Hair (03:17)
7. One Chance (01:22)
8. The Master Plan (01:00)
9. Shan Yu (01:00)
10. Shoulders Back (01:56)
11. Ping (00:58)
12. The Real Work (01:50)
13. Morning Assembly (01:10)
14. Deserted Village (01:06)
15. Bogus Letter (00:57)
16. Letter Delivered (00:38)
17. The Doll Survives (03:16)
18. Save the Cannons (01:20)
19. The Huns Attack (01:53)
20. Avalanche (02:38)
21. What's Wrong with Ping? (02:44)
22. Truth All Around (03:25)
23. Inperial Palace (01:34)
24. The Imperial Palace (00:44)
25. Sword Snatcher (00:43)
26. Boo (02:31)
27. A Lucky Bug (02:41)
28. Gratitude (01:14)
29. The Pendant (00:45)
30. The Sword (01:17)
31. The Matchmaker (Alternate) (01:56)
32. Short Hair (Alternate 1) (04:05)
33. Short Hair (Alternate 2) (03:17)
34. One Chance (Alternate) (01:27)
35. The Master Plan (Alternate) (01:01)
36. Ping (Alternate) (01:01)
37. Avalanche (Alternate) (02:31)
38. Mulan's Decision (01:12)
39. Suite from Mulan (07:03)
#31
Posted 13 January 2008 - 01:14 PM
At least they were fine with giving a lesbian an Oscar for writing a song for Al Gore's documentary.
That sounds very much like the Academy to me - they like to make (usually political) statements awarding the circumstances around each work, instead of voting for the film itself.
#32
Posted 13 January 2008 - 02:28 PM
I third that. Hunchback is amazing, even most of the songs. It's great background music when building my LEGO cathedral
I just had a vision of Romão hanging off a lifesize LEGO Cathedral tower singing Out There at full volume...
Vrrrroooooommmmm!
#33
Posted 13 January 2008 - 05:41 PM
#34
Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:31 PM
As far as Mulan goes it's worth it to have both the Academy Promo and the "other" version. The original soundtrack is ok but I'd look for the other two.
#35
Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:25 PM
It had a bit of controversy surrounding it as well. It was boycotted by some Christian groups for having a priest as the (quite evil) villain. It also didn't help that was Disney's darkest film in recent years.The fact that Hunchback was as big a box office smash as previous Disney movies didn't help either.
- Patrick Bateman on the Maestro
#36
Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:31 PM
There actually were half a dozen lousy movies packed in it - none of them was too good.
#37
Posted 13 January 2008 - 11:14 PM
#38
Posted 14 January 2008 - 09:28 PM
Thanks, but yeah. That's the conundrum.Of course, things can't be simple. There's another tracklist that varies (the German Emperor Entertainment release)Does anyone have a chronological tracklist for the promo?
Upon closer examination however the only actual difference in the ordering is Blossoms. I think it's supposed to go between The Matchmaker and Short Hair. Does anyone know for certain?
#40
Posted 15 January 2008 - 05:01 PM
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