I'm not a huge fan of Coldplay or anything, but their latest song is very nice. What I find particularly special and more importantly; refreshing about the song is the sub-orchestral music which accompanies the lyrics themselves. Apart from the obvious beat, the music is made up mainly of strings and timpani, which as we all know is not exactly a common occurrence in the world of popular music. The melody itself is about as simplistic as they come and that is of course a great thing, Viva La Vida is one helluva catchy record and I'm glad it made number one in the UK sales chart, indeed they're something of an institution here. It's nice when something a little more unconventional, more my taste, makes the top spot.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:31 PM
I pretty much hate and disregard all mainstream music, but any British band must be good. I liked their song that was on the Garden State soundtrack, and this one is pretty good too.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:33 PM
I pretty much hate and disregard all mainstream music, but any British band must be good.
Ah. Glad you cleared that up.
I should be resisting this, but I'm paralyzed with rage... and island rhythms.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:34 PM
I pretty much hate and disregard all mainstream music, but any British band must be good.
You have clearly not heard a lot of British music. We have some shocking bands around, especially the ones that are paraded as "great." Then again, I put Coldplay into that bracket.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:37 PM
I personally think Coldplay are overrated, but I do like a few of their songs, this one especially. In fact it is their best one yet, for me. But yeah, as Charles just stated, we are suffering a bad and prolonged spate of bland, repetitious bands at the the moment. Basically, everyone sounds the same. Most of the current bands all sound like the SAME band. It's depressing.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:47 PM
Well that's why I don't listen to mainstream music. But:
Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Elton John, Arctic Monkeys, and I guess you could add Coldplay. Nothing is better than British rock.
Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Elton John, Arctic Monkeys, and I guess you could add Coldplay. Nothing is better than British rock.
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The Arctic Monkeys especially, meld into everyone else. I can't stand 'em.
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I love 'em, but then again they are probably the only mainstream British rock band I've heard, aside from Coldplay.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:53 PM
The Arctic Monkeys especially, meld into everyone else. I can't stand 'em.
Ditto.
I honestly can't think of one current UK band that I like. It all just melds into one big pile of either MOR blandness or garage-band hell regurgitated in the form of a thousand bad Ramones tribute acts.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 09:59 PM
Agreed and if anything, I prefer the stuff the American equivalents are producing more than pretty much anything here in the UK lately.
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WHO???
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:02 PM
I think someone just stumbled into the wrong thread! Ha ha ha!
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:03 PM
Either that or he's just displaying that trademark wit we all know and love.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:06 PM
Either way, he is very welcome to share his thoughts on the subject of popular music.
Who knows, he may turn out to be full of surprises
Who knows, he may turn out to be full of surprises
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:23 PM
Coldplay are a bit like a ham and cheese tosti. taste fine, absolutely nothing wrong with it.
But you don't go to a restaurant to order it.
But you don't go to a restaurant to order it.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:26 PM
What if the cheese is out of date?
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:26 PM
Only on JWfan would popular music be compared to toasties. ONLY on JWfan.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:28 PM
I can discuss the 60's, 70's, and 80's, and even some 90's but I'm pretty sure after that the term popular music became meaningless, as things like vocal talent, writing talent, melodies, etc all went out the window.Either way, he is very welcome to share his thoughts on the subject of popular music.
Who knows, he may turn out to be full of surprises
Let me ask this, are there any "greats from the 00's,(I really don't know) or all all the greats from previous era's.
and GE, I'll give it a listen later this evening.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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But what are your thoughts on 21st century toasted sandwiches?
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:34 PM
I hear & see the commercial on TV all the time.
The song doesn't make my ears start bleeding but I will admit I'm not a big fan of modern music. My love for pop, rock, soul and R&B stops at 1989 with the exception of a few artists & groups.
The song doesn't make my ears start bleeding but I will admit I'm not a big fan of modern music. My love for pop, rock, soul and R&B stops at 1989 with the exception of a few artists & groups.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:36 PM
Stan by Eminem.
Cry Me A River by Justin Timberlake.
The Way I Are by Timbaland (featuring R&B singer Keri Hilson and rapper D.O.E.)
And ofcourse when Axl Rose finally releases the new G&R album, Chinese Democracy, that will be the musical evwent that defines the decade.
Cry Me A River by Justin Timberlake.
The Way I Are by Timbaland (featuring R&B singer Keri Hilson and rapper D.O.E.)
And ofcourse when Axl Rose finally releases the new G&R album, Chinese Democracy, that will be the musical evwent that defines the decade.
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I don't like toasted sandwiches at all.But what are your thoughts on 21st century toasted sandwiches?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:38 PM
There are no 'greats' in the '00s. But then, I'm bound to say that. The younger generation will probably disagree, even though they're wrong.Let me ask this, are there any "greats from the 00's,(I really don't know) or all all the greats from previous era's.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:40 PM
I'll agree with that.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:42 PM
Thirded.
I always find it depressing that all the bands I'd love to see in concert all seem to have either died or split up.
I always find it depressing that all the bands I'd love to see in concert all seem to have either died or split up.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:48 PM
I'm of the younger generation and I agree with that.There are no 'greats' in the '00s. But then, I'm bound to say that. The younger generation will probably disagree, even though they're wrong.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Let me ask this, are there any "greats from the 00's,(I really don't know) or all all the greats from previous era's.
John Williams.
Oh, were we talking about popular music?
Actually, I heard the new coldplay song a while ago, and while it is a catchy tune, I DO NOT like the way it is mixed. But then, I don't like the way much of any popular music is mixed. Better than most stuff out there, that's for sure.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:50 PM
I'll agree with that.
Every one says that of the music of the generation that follows them.
You're Beautiful by James Blunt is another decade highlight.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:50 PM
I always find it depressing that all the bands I'd love to see in concert all seem to have either died or split up.
I believe Black Lace still tour.
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Every one says that of the music of the generation that follows them.I'll agree with that.
So true.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:52 PM
I'll agree with that.
Every one says that of the music of the generation that follows them.
You're Beautiful by James Blunt is another decade highlight.
Sure, a highlight in the same way that the highlight of the 1980s was HOWARD THE DUCK.
I always find it depressing that all the bands I'd love to see in concert all seem to have either died or split up.
I believe Black Lace still tour.
Touche!
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:56 PM
All three are masterful records, in the genre of pop music. Speaking of Timbaland - his production of One Republic's Apologise (<---click) is top tier, I love it.Stan by Eminem.
Cry Me A River by Justin Timberlake.
The Way I Are by Timbaland (featuring R&B singer Keri Hilson and rapper D.O.E.)
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 10:58 PM
Let me ask this, are there any "greats from the 00's,(I really don't know) or all all the greats from previous era's.
John Williams.
Oh, were we talking about popular music?
Actually, I heard the new coldplay song a while ago, and while it is a catchy tune, I DO NOT like the way it is mixed. But then, I don't like the way much of any popular music is mixed. Better than most stuff out there, that's for sure.
John Williams isn't a great from the 00's, he's a great from another era, obviously you didn't understand the question, but yes I was talking popular music not film music.
You're Beautiful is not anything bad like Howard the Duck.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:02 PM
The best thing about James Blunt is that he inspired a lovely bit of rhyming slang.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:03 PM
As much as You're Beautiful is both hated and loved in equal measure, there is no denying it is a brilliantly executed love song. It is merely a victim of its own popularity, as was My Heart Will Go On, nearly a decade earlier.
That's not to say I like James Blunt. On the contrary, I actually wish he'd f*ck right off to the North Pole or something.
That's not to say I like James Blunt. On the contrary, I actually wish he'd f*ck right off to the North Pole or something.
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I like the song, and I actually have the album, got it for free @ B&N since it was on our play list, but to be honest, I thought it was a girl singing the song.As much as You're Beautiful is both hated and loved in equal measure, there is no denying it is a brilliantly executed love song. It is merely a victim of its own popularity, as was My Heart Will Go On, nearly a decade earlier.
That's not to say I like James Blunt. On the contrary, I actually wish he'd f*ck right off to the North Pole or something.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:13 PM
Bar that one song, he warbles like a heartbroken girl in everything he does. Even when he isn't singing, he sounds like a girl.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:25 AM
Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Elton John, ..., and I guess you could add Coldplay. Nothing is better than British rock.
That's a really REALLY big gap of time to skip over just to lump Coldplay in with some of the great legendary British classic rock acts from 30-40 years ago. I don't know if you can do that. Plus you leave out Black Sabbath, Genesis, and The Who. You lump Coldplay in with them but leave out U2, and to me Coldplay sounds like they're trying to just be the next U2. Great, maybe, but not legendary.
As far as current rock/pop acts that are any good, I really enjoyed The Killers' first two albums, but their third not so much.
And I'll always love The Clarks, but only because while you can take the man out of the 'Burgh, you can never take the 'Burgh out of the man.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:45 AM
I forgot about The Who! I love them. I'm not comparing Coldplay, or Arctic Monkeys (which you edited out), to any of those legendary bands. Just a list of the British rock I like.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 12:53 AM
Oh ok, I didn't know if it was that, or if you were already preparing a spot for Coldplay in Cleveland.
I removed Arctic Monkeys because I never heard of them. I spent thirty seconds checking them out at YouTube but I'm still not sold.
I removed Arctic Monkeys because I never heard of them. I spent thirty seconds checking them out at YouTube but I'm still not sold.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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