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[Marian Schedenig]

Yared's score was like what the movie failed to be. Horner's score is pretty much like what the movie ended up being.

It's not a good movie.

[Mark Olivarez]

Yared's score is fantastic.

[Stefancos]

It sounds fairly generic I always thought.

[Marian Schedenig]

It sounds old-fashioned at times (though not all the way through). The kind of old-fashioned that's not dated but fits the setting of the film. One of the film's problems was that it failed to do that - I'm all for modern techniques in historic films, but Troy seemed to try to "update" its content. Right down to Brad Pitt in full Tyler Durden mode.

[Wesker]

Really? I found Pitt to be quite good, actually. More specifically, his form in nearly all the fight scenes was exceptional- miles above and beyond what most actors have done in similar circumstances, in terms of the technical aspects of swordplay and such.

It's one of those flicks that didn't sink in as being anything other than mediocre at first, but the more I watch it, the more i think it was actually well executed. Bana really helped it, but Bloom brought it done a few notches. A respectable film.

[Marian Schedenig]

I don't really remember the fight scenes, except for the first one, which I thought was too much based on technical effects than choreography. I like Pitt, he's probably one of my favourite actors, but I just found him out of place in Troy, which did have some excellent performances. As little as I liked it, I have to re-watch it again someday for O'Toole.

[Luke Skywalker]

Are those comments by Horner real or Hitch made them up?

Ironic that some of Horner's score seems to STEAL from Yared.

[Maurizio]

It's no news that Rosenman had a... rather high opinion of himself.

Indeed, I remember another interview where he said he was able to write better tunes than John Williams.

[Luke Skywalker]

It's no news that Rosenman had a... rather high opinion of himself.

Indeed, I remember another interview where he said he was able to write better tunes than John Williams.

High opinion of himself?

I dont think so, i think he was just wisecrack.

[Mark Olivarez]

Are those comments by Horner real or Hitch made them up?

Ironic that some of Horner's score seems to STEAL from Yared.

They are real comments.

[publicist]

And if we're honest, that's exactly the kind of sleaze we REALLY want to hear. I distinctly remember the uproar when Goldsmith did some harmless snide remarks in Williams direction in this conversation with his daughter and everyone got up in arms, carefully dissecting every word and crying how Goldsmith could possibly besmirch the maestro's name....

[MissPadmé]

And if we're honest, that's exactly the kind of sleaze we REALLY want to hear. I distinctly remember the uproar when Goldsmith did some harmless snide remarks in Williams direction in this conversation with his daughter and everyone got up in arms, carefully dissecting every word and crying how Goldsmith could possibly besmirch the maestro's name....

yes about johnny selling himself to the public.. being part of a ponyshow (boston pops concerts/Rose Parade) and yes thats pretty harmless

But Horner didn't say anything but his opinion and what the audience and the producers obviously thought. I can only assume that people who say "wow what an arrogant snob!!" don't get what he is saying. Horner is far more experienced than Yared in typical Hollywood scores (you know those who just serve the purpose and as a standalone product aren't very meaningful and have not much heart) while Yared in my eyes/ears is a real Artist/Composer... Yared failed the subject with Troy.. he created music that was much to good.

In this interview he also stated that the English patient is practically music by Bach, and people started biching arroung how this Plagerist could even dare to say something about a fellow-composer. But again Horner said the truth, and to make it sound like Bach was a deliberate decision by Minghella/Yared. He didn't mean to downplay hi,m, he just said "Well these artsy scores are his masterclass, while I do commercial films"

and i concur with Horner absolutely in that one!!

[publicist]

yes about johnny selling himself to the public.. being part of a ponyshow (boston pops concerts/Rose Parade) and yes thats pretty harmless

But Horner didn't say anything but his opinion and what the audience and the producers obviously thought. I can only assume that people who say "wow what an arrogant snob!!" don't get what he is saying. Horner is far more experienced than Yared in typical Hollywood scores (you know those who just serve the purpose and as a standalone product aren't very meaningful and have not much heart) while Yared in my eyes/ears is a real Artist/Composer... Yared failed the subject with Troy.. he created music that was much to good.

Well, if he would have said 'Yared's score was atrocious' one or two times less, perhaps. Horner comes off as a git, plain and simple. Not on the scale of denying the Holocaust or something to that effect but the smugness of 'i had to come to rescue the sinking ship', not even considering that to crawl before test audiences in the american midwest may have not been the only option for the producers, well that's just bad form. Especially when he bemoans the lowbrow state of movies nowadays later in the interview.

[Luke Skywalker]

These composers may say the truth, but there ways and ways to say it more politely or not as harsh.

Horner BTW has uses many classical pieces in his socres. He should critisize others for that.


Goldsmith said that Williams was a popularity bich*!




*As a Veterinarian, i must object that the word used for the female dog is filtered

[publicist]

Goldsmith said that Williams was a popularity bich!

He said that being master of ceremonies on a street parade wearing a silly hat is a rather offensive engagement and i tend to agree. But you just know that Goldsmith would've loved to indulge in some of the public awareness Williams got over the years.

[Luke Skywalker]

Goldsmith said that Williams was a popularity bich!

He said that being master of ceremonies on a street parade wearing a silly hat is a rather offensive engagement and i tend to agree. But you just know that Goldsmith would've loved to indulge in some of the public awareness Williams got over the years.

Yeah i think it was more jealousy than anything.

BTW, a grown man over his sixties wearing a ponytail, now that's something 'silly' and offensive

[Richard Penna]

Are those comments by Horner real or Hitch made them up?

Ironic that some of Horner's score seems to STEAL from Yared.

They are real comments.

They are from a very long audio interview Daniel Schweiger from Film Music Radio had with Horner quite a while back.

And yes, those are direct quotes - my opinion of him plummeted when I first heard it.

[publicist]

Yeah i think it was more jealousy than anything.

BTW, a grown man over his sixties wearing a ponytail, now that's something 'silly' and offensive

Well both men had/have loving families, so i wouldn't overemphasize these little petty remarks. Goldsmith certainly hasn't lost sleep over this subject.

Now, the ponytail may be in bad taste, but it's at least more hip (in a warped sense) than some old millionaire doing the circus bear routine on a parade wagon.

[Blumenkohl]

BTW, a grown man over his sixties wearing a ponytail, now that's something 'silly' and offensive

Have you ever seen Goldsmith conduct vs. Williams conduct, live?

The former looked very...how do I put...cool. It's like you're not supposed to look that smooth and cool conducting but he did. The latter looks like he is disinterest half the time and having an orgasm half the time.

[Mark Olivarez]

Goldsmith said that Williams was a popularity bich!

He said that being master of ceremonies on a street parade wearing a silly hat is a rather offensive engagement and i tend to agree. But you just know that Goldsmith would've loved to indulge in some of the public awareness Williams got over the years.

Actually Williams wore his Boston Red Sox Baseball cap while he was riding in the Rose Bowl Parade.

[Stefancos]

Silly hat!

[indy4]

That's why i like the correct humility of John Williams

I'm sorry what? Humility? John Williams?

The man exudes ego in the most powerful sense of the word. He condescends in almost every interview, but because he adds please and thank you, you call it humility?

Sarcasm?

Not at all.

Elaborate.

[John Crichton]

I guess he would have frowned on Williams throwing out the first pitch at a Red Sox game too. What year was that?

[Mark Olivarez]

Oh Jerry was just jealous.

[Lurker]

Silly hat!

Neil

[Blumenkohl]

To use colloquial language for a second:

OWNED!

[Luke Skywalker]

To use colloquial language for a second:

PWNED!

way more colloquial

[Stefancos]

I have nothing to be ashamed about!

[Luke Skywalker]

I was going to use that as signature.

But it does not have anything to do with Drew Struzan...

[Stefancos]

For he so loved his country, that he dressed up in Orange, Red, White and Blue!

[Marian Schedenig]

Now, the ponytail may be in bad taste, but it's at least more hip (in a warped sense) than some old millionaire doing the circus bear routine on a parade wagon.

How was it in bad taste? Goldsmith wore some horrible styles earlier in his career, but during the ponytail era, he was the classiest-looking elderly film composer by far.

And he even inspired Connery, don't forget that.

[Mark Olivarez]

I wish I could grow a ponytail.