I have my reservations about MoS, but I'm still keen to see it and will watch it at the cinema.
Man Of Steel (2013 Superman reboot directed by Zack Snyder)
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:18 PM
I do too and I aint happy.
I think Lindelof should suffer the most painful of deaths, worse than poor boba fett, Orci and Kurtzman too. I'm pretty sure the bible says thou shall not suffer hacks to live.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Since I enjoyed Watchmen and Sucker Punch so much, there's no way I won't be seeing Snyder's next film in the cinema, but I don't need to tackle with opening weekend crowds for it.
All the newest TV Spots have left me really cold though. I have a feeling the story won't engage me at all. Hopefully the visuals will.
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Since I enjoyed Watchmen and Sucker Punch so much, there's no way I won't be seeing Snyder's next film in the cinema, but I don't need to tackle with opening weekend crowds for it.
All the newest TV Spots have left me really cold though. I have a feeling the story won't engage me at all. Hopefully the visuals will.
I need to find the newest tv spots.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:34 PM
They are all posted in this thread.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:55 PM
I need to find the newest tv spots.
Since I enjoyed Watchmen and Sucker Punch so much, there's no way I won't be seeing Snyder's next film in the cinema, but I don't need to tackle with opening weekend crowds for it.
All the newest TV Spots have left me really cold though. I have a feeling the story won't engage me at all. Hopefully the visuals will.
Better to save some surprises.
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Some of the things they are saying in this video rub me the wrong way
"Superman is the most powerful but also the most vulnerable superhero you can imagine" - um, NO! Being vulnerable was never part of Superman's story. That's Spider-man territory.
"One of the unique things that I don't think has really been delved in in the past is that he's an alien" - Um, yes, yes it has, many many times.
Action scenes looks pretty good though 
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"Superman is the most powerful but also the most vulnerable superhero you can imagine" -
True, even Donner knew that.
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Superman is just as vulnerable as Spiderman. When you have so much power, you try to do everything and save everybody, but can't. Spiderman wore his heart on his sleeve, and Mary Jane was the way to his heart. Superman has the same problem with Lois Lane. Superman cares too much about us mortals, which makes him vulnerable. An angry, vengeful, unstoppable l Superman would be a fascinating study, but no filmmaker wants to kill Lois Lane, so Zod and friends offer that angle. Ok, sure, Superman's kryptonite is just that, but a rock is boring.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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I hope kryptonite isn't even mentioned in this movie. It's been done to death!
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Posted Yesterday, 01:35 PM
Just so long as there are no scenes with Superman sitting at the end of a pier with Katie Holmes, opening his heart to the husky strains of Sheryl Crow. While that guy with the big forehead watches intently from afar, reflecting on his own mistakes.
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I watched the one you're referring to last week on HBO. Not terrible but not great. Very pretentious. I don't need a sequel. Van Wilder as a superhero is hard to accept. Blake Lively sure is pretty, though.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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I hope kryptonite isn't even mentioned in this movie. It's been done to death!
I believe they've said they purposefully did not mention it in the movie.
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Good.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:58 PM
well lets be honest why would Zod use something that harms Superman when he is just as vulnerable.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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He's got more Kryptonians and machines and combat experience.
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And Lex Luthor isn't in this film at all either, right?
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well lets be honest why would Zod use something that harms Superman when he is just as vulnerable.
Well let's be honest, why do a select few governments possess biotoxins and nuclear weapons? A few milligrams of ricin or anthrax or non-curable virus or uranium is all it takes. The difference is in the deployment. The deliverer protects himself while the victim suffers.
The comics and other sources are not always consistent with just how kryptonite robs Superman of his powers. The rocks of Krypton could not all have been fatal to Kal-El's brethren or else they would have gone extinct. Two possibilities here. First, whatever calamity caused Krypton to go Ka-Blooey chemically altered the rocks of the planet to become fatal to the planet's inhabitants, but not radioactive enough to cause harm to Earth's native humans (at least, no more than a banana, beer, or smoke detector).
The second and more likely explanation is this. On Krypton, Kal-El is a normal mortal man, with no special powers. The red Krypton sun does to him what our yellow sun does to us. Sunburn and skin cancer over time. But expose Superman to our yellow sun, and he absorbsits powers and becomes (basically) invincible. (It's unclear what a red Kryptonian sun would do to us; there's not enough Krypton left to stand on.) Exposing Superman to kryptonite cancels out the benefits of Earth's yellow sun -- absorbs his powers, blocks his absorption, whatever -- and makes him as mortal as he would have been on his home world. Worse, actually, as it's a painful crippling process because he has a lot of solar energy to burn.
Let's be honest. How would Zod figure all that out? Well, he couldn't, not without a lot of planning from Kryptonian scientists who planned for such off-world superman conquests, or Earth men he "encouraged" to turn kryptonite into a weapon that he could still handle (lead casing, solar power, mini-sun, etc.). LexCorp, anyone?
Bah. It's too cockamamie. Superman is better by leaving kryptonite out of it.
And Lex Luthor isn't in this film at all either, right?
The key is you said "at all." I wouldn't rule out a cameo of at least somebody from the Luthor family, along the lines of Joker's drop in Batman Begins. Or Norman Osborn's behind-the-scenes role in the Spider-Man reboot.
Edited by Wojo, Yesterday, 11:45 PM.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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The second and more likely explanation is this. On Krypton, Kal-El is a normal mortal man, with no special powers. The red Krypton sun does to him what our yellow sun does to us. Sunburn and skin cancer over time. But expose Superman to our yellow sun, and he absorbsits powers and becomes (basically) invincible. (It's unclear what a red Kryptonian sun would do to us; there's not enough Krypton left to stand on.) Exposing Superman to kryptonite cancels out the benefits of Earth's yellow sun -- absorbs his powers, blocks his absorption, whatever -- and makes him as mortal as he would have been on his home world. Worse, actually, as it's a painful crippling process because he has a lot of solar energy to burn.
Let's be honest. How would Zod figure all that out? Well, he couldn't, not without a lot of planning from Kryptonian scientists who planned for such off-world superman conquests, or Earth men he "encouraged" to turn kryptonite into a weapon that he could still handle (lead casing, solar power, mini-sun, etc.). LexCorp, anyone?
Bah. It's too cockamamie. Superman is better by leaving kryptonite out of it.
Let's be honest, you're rambling.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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And Lex Luthor isn't in this film at all either, right?
There's a LexCorp building in one of the trailers, but beyond that nothing's confirmed.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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And Lex Luthor isn't in this film at all either, right?
if you really want to know Jason
Spoiler
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Um, only as a clone. Michael Rosenbaum was the main guy, but he'd be too young for this movie. But I believe your point is correct.
Don't forget. Harvey Dent was in Burton's original, but in a blink and you miss him role. He had not been converted into his alter ego yet, but also never would.
Don't forget. Harvey Dent was in Burton's original, but in a blink and you miss him role. He had not been converted into his alter ego yet, but also never would.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Played by Billy Dee Williams!
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Um, only as a clone. Michael Rosenbaum was the main guy, but he'd be too young for this movie. But I believe your point is correct.
Don't forget. Harvey Dent was in Burton's original, but in a blink and you miss him role. He had not been converted into his alter ego yet, but also never would.
of course I'm correct
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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