It seems they were not pleased with Returns, and want to do a reboot.
Will this mean we can kiss Williams' heroic march goodbye forever?
Or will they not be able to sepparate it from Superman?
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 11:50 PM
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:03 AM
Bring in Hans Zimmer 
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:19 AM
oops.
I didnt saw it on the main page, and other threads here so i made the thread. It really deserves one...
I didnt saw it on the main page, and other threads here so i made the thread. It really deserves one...
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:35 AM
As much as I love the Superman theme, I think maybe they should try something new. I mean, Returns was so busy being a tribute to the 1978 movie that it couldn't even be its own.
So Singer's out?
So Singer's out?
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:36 AM
Yep, kiss good by to Williams. Expect a Dark Knight 'inspired' score.
Quint - who doesn't mind the musical style of the new Batman films, but HATES the idea of Superman without Williams.
Quint - who doesn't mind the musical style of the new Batman films, but HATES the idea of Superman without Williams.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:38 AM
while the nolan film have serviceable scores, Superman needs a heroic march or fanfare.
I pity the poor composer that gets into the shoes to compose a new Superman march...
I pity the poor composer that gets into the shoes to compose a new Superman march...
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:39 AM
Why?
Superman excisted for over 50 years in print, film and TV before Williams composed his score for a single film.
Superman excisted for over 50 years in print, film and TV before Williams composed his score for a single film.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:42 AM
Why?
Superman excisted for over 50 years in print, film and TV before Williams composed his score for a single film.
And his music surpased the others and is the only people identify with the character, for 30 years.
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:43 AM
I would like to see Zimmer get destroyed.Bring in Hans Zimmer
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:47 AM
Without John Williams, there is no Superman, as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:51 AM
40 years.Why?
Superman excisted for over 50 years in print, film and TV before Williams composed his score for a single film.
And I won't miss Williams's music. I love it, but it felt all wrong in SR.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:55 AM
I blame Singer, not Williams. And I don't say that lightly.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:56 AM
no it didn't it was perfect for the opening.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 12:57 AM
I'll be honest. I'd prefer a fresh, original Superman without the march than another Singer version with Williams' themes.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:00 AM
There can be a reboot that still uses the theme. No complaint from me if they throw the whole love child thing into the circular file.
Problem is that The Dark Knight is now the template for the successful comic book hero movie and its sadistic violence and relentless gloom coupled with incomprehensible and stupefying action all mean that the mass audience probably won't embrace a Superman movie which is produced with the mood it should have. And if they try to make it like Dark Knight, then it won't really be a Superman movie (and it won't use the Williams theme).
Problem is that The Dark Knight is now the template for the successful comic book hero movie and its sadistic violence and relentless gloom coupled with incomprehensible and stupefying action all mean that the mass audience probably won't embrace a Superman movie which is produced with the mood it should have. And if they try to make it like Dark Knight, then it won't really be a Superman movie (and it won't use the Williams theme).
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:03 AM
Yeah, it's hard to imagine such a realistic treatment of Superman. My guess is they'll completely foul it up: a tastelessly dark, pretentious film filled with gratuitous violence and pulsating string beats. Don't get me wrong, I love The Dark Knight, but you can't do that to Superman. There's no way.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:14 AM
That can be done, I think. Not by changing the main character, only everything around him. Tricky but possible.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:21 AM
I'd argue that Williams' music was effective in more places than just the credits. I remember feeling absolutely exhilarated as Routh's Superman stood, braced between the passenger jet and the shuttle, to the stirring heroics of JW's original compositions. People seem quick to forget that all the best moments in SR were accompanied by JW's music.no it didn't it was perfect for the opening.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:27 AM
I don't really care about Superman, or any other comic book heroes for that matter. Batman was the only one I grew up with. I saw Forever like 15 times in the theater when I was a kid.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:29 AM
In my day kids got a smack on the backside as punishment for naughtiness. I'd prefer the old way to being forced to watch a bad Batman sequel, more than once.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:34 AM
Oh thank god, that means that Singer won't return. And we are getting a third Batman film.
It cracks me up that they spent close to 10 years trying to get a new Superman film made and they churn out a clunker. Now they want to re-boot it.
Any sane person who watched the first two X-Men films and actually believed Singer was capapble of delivering an entertaining superhero film should be slapped with a large trout.
We'll get a re-boot now with a lame power anthem for Superman's theme.
It cracks me up that they spent close to 10 years trying to get a new Superman film made and they churn out a clunker. Now they want to re-boot it.
Any sane person who watched the first two X-Men films and actually believed Singer was capapble of delivering an entertaining superhero film should be slapped with a large trout.
We'll get a re-boot now with a lame power anthem for Superman's theme.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:36 AM
You didn't like his X-Men films? I enjoyed them, nonetheless I think Singer should go back to the style of filmmaking he did with The Usual Suspects.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 01:38 AM
It's not THIS kind of enjoyment though.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:12 AM
It won't be a theme. It'll be a one note super motif.We'll get a re-boot now with a lame power anthem for Superman's theme.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:16 AM
Ah yes, the fish slapping dance.Any sane person who watched the first two X-Men films and actually believed Singer was capapble of delivering an entertaining superhero film should be slapped with a large trout.
Hollywood finally got tired of straight sequels, so I guess they all just collectively decided to start everything over. What's next, the Star Wars reboot?
John- who thinks using Williams' material in Superman Returns was the right idea, the job was just given to the wrong composer
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:30 AM
And I won't miss Williams's music. I love it, but it felt all wrong in SR.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:49 AM
I think this is the best thing that could happen with Superman, since SR was a mess of a film.
Although it may be a balant rip off of TDK.
Although it may be a balant rip off of TDK.
What about the famous theme song: "It's a bird...it's a plane...no, it's Superman!"Why?
Superman excisted for over 50 years in print, film and TV before Williams composed his score for a single film.
And his music surpased the others and is the only people identify with the character, for 30 years.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 03:07 AM
I can hear Zimmer right now: "See, I didn't want to write such a happy jolly theme like John Williams', it would be just wrong for our movie! I didn't feel like Superman really earned a theme until the end of the film. Clark doesn't know who he is yet, so a theme would be too restricting for him."
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 03:10 AM
"Wait until you hear my single note for Lex Luthor's theme. It's played on a continous loop".
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"You know, it was originall two notes, but it was just too much. Lex Luthor doesn't develop, he is the same the first time we see him to the last time we see him. It took me two months to get this one note right, and it almost broke my head. I really think hard about these things. I researched the history of DC, studied the planets of our solar system, I did it all.!
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 04:30 AM
Personally I'm happy with this. I didn't exactly hate Superman Returns, but it did have a bucket-load of flaws. I'm more concerned about what director signs on for the project than if it will be a rip-off of The Dark Knight. Granted Superman is not really a character that can be taken in that direction, but with the right talent behind it it could be something good and different.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 04:57 AM
This whole situation is too bad for Brandon Routh, I think he did a very nice job considering the shoes he had to fill. I would have liked to have seen him play the character more. I still enjoy Superman Returns, it's far from flawless but I didn't think it was awful.
My first reaction to anything that attempts to step on, alter, or change in any way the Superman mythos set up in the greatest comic book movie ever made is to hate it with a firey passion. Irrationally and unequivocally.
My first reaction to anything that attempts to step on, alter, or change in any way the Superman mythos set up in the greatest comic book movie ever made is to hate it with a firey passion. Irrationally and unequivocally.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 04:59 AM
I don't like the fact Brandon Routh got the role just because he looks like Christopher Reeve. They should have gave the part to a real actor, not a nobody.
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Routh did good in the role.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:29 AM
Hollywood finally got tired of straight sequels, so I guess they all just collectively decided to start everything over. What's next, the Star Wars reboot?
SSSHHHHHHHHHH...... George might be listening.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:47 AM
I'm completely sick of these inane reboots.
Hulk failed... Let's reboot!
Star Trek's dying... Let's give it a J. J. Abrams reboot!
We're completely out of ideas... Let's reboot the Conan franchise!
Howsabout we just get Reboot the complete series on DVD and I'll be happy.
Hulk failed... Let's reboot!
Star Trek's dying... Let's give it a J. J. Abrams reboot!
We're completely out of ideas... Let's reboot the Conan franchise!
Howsabout we just get Reboot the complete series on DVD and I'll be happy.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:17 AM
Maybe they can finally get Brett Ratner back to make his version.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:38 AM
Oye.
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