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#2401 Richard

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:48 PM

A quick "Doctor Who" question.

The Daleks are always going on about "You are an enemy of The Daleks" this, and "You are an enemy of The Daleks" that.

Do they actually have any friends? I mean: what's their facebook status?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:35 AM

This has probably been discussed, but being at work, I don't have the time to go through the 32 pg of Indiana Jones Unreleased Music Resource.



I'm confused about the Temple of Doom End Credits. I know the film version has a different beginning than the album. But any and all cue lists I look at don't show two different End Credits. Is that a film version INSERT that isn't mentioned on cue lists? Was there two different End Credits written and recorded? I can't find any documentation on it.

And of course, sorry if this is super obvious and I'm being a doofus lol.


Theres only one version of the TOD End Credits. The reason they sound different in the actual film compared to the album is because the piece is edited down in several places in the film. The edits are all really clever, so clever I too once thought the film end credits were an alternate cue compared to the album version.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:23 PM

Did you see the one where all the bad aliens lock The Doctor into the Pandorica? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Daleks have plenty of friends.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:42 PM

Er...thanks, Wojo...


A quick "Star Wars" question:
How is the rebellion funded? All those x-wings, and y-wings, and a-wings, and b-wings, and medical frigates, and ion cannons must cost a packet. Did the rebellion put it all on its platinum card? How is it all paid for?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:13 PM

Many Bothams died to bring them the equipment.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:46 AM

Many Bothams died to bring them the equipment.


Did that include Ian? :lol:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:44 PM

Er...thanks, Wojo...


A quick "Star Wars" question:
How is the rebellion funded? All those x-wings, and y-wings, and a-wings, and b-wings, and medical frigates, and ion cannons must cost a packet. Did the rebellion put it all on its platinum card? How is it all paid for?


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:57 PM


Er...thanks, Wojo...


A quick "Star Wars" question:
How is the rebellion funded? All those x-wings, and y-wings, and a-wings, and b-wings, and medical frigates, and ion cannons must cost a packet. Did the rebellion put it all on its platinum card? How is it all paid for?


General Dodonna won the Euromillions rollover once.

Also the rich mommies and daddies of the rebel teens fund their hobby of going against the Empire. Everybody knows that. Oh those kids today. In my youth you joined the Stormtroopers and were pretty darn happy about it. Now it is Rebellion this, blow up Death Star that. Poppycock and boulder dash I say! Tougher discipline, more work and less credits for idle kids' Rebellion is the key to a happier galaxy!

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:39 AM

where would " a crushing affair" go in The Sand Pebbles?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:57 PM

A quick "ROTLA" question.

Was "The Miracle Of The Ark" edited to fit the "opening of the ark" sequence, or is there a fuller version of the scene floating around somewhere?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:00 PM

Williams' cue matches the film as it was originally cut. After scoring, the scene was edited down, and so some music got edited out with it. The missing footage has never turned up anywhere as far as I know
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:04 PM

Thanks for that, Jason. It's nice to know that there is a full version of "TMOTA" somewhere. Do you have any idea what was edited from the sequence? Does the novelization give any clues?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:19 PM

I dunno I never read it.

There's nothing here about it either:

http://www.theraider...eted_scenes.php
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:27 PM

Fascinating! Ta awfully, for that, Jason.

Has anybody spotted the Toht dummy in the car? It's in the scene just after the desert chase, where the car makes a couple of circles, stops, and Dietrich throws a melon to the ground. That is clearly not Ronald lacey in that scene...

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:10 PM

It was probably cut, for ratings reasons.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:04 AM



Er...thanks, Wojo...


A quick "Star Wars" question:
How is the rebellion funded? All those x-wings, and y-wings, and a-wings, and b-wings, and medical frigates, and ion cannons must cost a packet. Did the rebellion put it all on its platinum card? How is it all paid for?


General Dodonna won the Euromillions rollover once.

Also the rich mommies and daddies of the rebel teens fund their hobby of going against the Empire. Everybody knows that. Oh those kids today. In my youth you joined the Stormtroopers and were pretty darn happy about it. Now it is Rebellion this, blow up Death Star that. Poppycock and boulder dash I say! Tougher discipline, more work and less credits for idle kids' Rebellion is the key to a happier galaxy!


It was funded by the Malek family (Galen Malek, AKA Starkiller). There were some planets at the side of the rebellion, for example Mon Calamaria.

According to TFU (it's canon).

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

What was the first cinematic linea sequel? I'm not talking about "seperate stories" (e.g. the early Walt Disney "Alice" adventures), but films that took an existing story forward ("Bride Of Frankenstein" for example).
Any offers?

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 03:54 PM

Son of Kong, maybe?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

Hehe, i saw that cd at the library today.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:23 PM

A quick question for classical music experts out there: In a lot of scores like ET, ROTJ, Poltegereist, The Dig, and more there is a certain religious-sounding theme that consists mainly of big chords, mostly done in strings, choir and organ. Take for example here, at 2:40...



See what I mean? There's a similar theme on Poltegereist (associated with the same kind of reliogisity) and when Luke fights Vader on ROTJ...

My question is: Are there any classical influences you can name that have influenced this kind of sound? Vaughan-Williams and his Fantasia might be one, but I'm looking for something a little more specific.

If anyone could help I would appreciate it a lot :)
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 11:01 PM

There's some of that sound in Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezhade.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 11:19 PM

I love that sound!

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 12:35 AM

There's some of that sound in Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezhade.


Where exactly? I haven't heard the Scheherezade in a long time so I can't recall...
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 12:44 AM

It's heard throughout the piece, but especially near the end of the last movement. When the trombones take the main melody.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 01:22 AM

Batman question.
Why is it that the booklet of the 2 CD Archival Edition of Batman says that the Main Title March is in 7/4? Either I can't count anymore or my hearing is impaired, but to me it's regular 4/4, or 2/2.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:06 AM

where would Snowbank Sweetener go in TOD?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:50 PM

Impossible to say! It wasn't used in the film, possibly wasn't even recorded, and the conductor's score sheet music we have doesn't say which bars it goes over. We'd need to see Williams' original handwritten sketch to know.
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 10:27 PM

Batman question.
Why is it that the booklet of the 2 CD Archival Edition of Batman says that the Main Title March is in 7/4? Either I can't count anymore or my hearing is impaired, but to me it's regular 4/4, or 2/2.


I'll check the sheet music for you. But i don't think it's in 7/4 too.

Btw, (not directed only to you) how is that site called were you could add people's faces to a dancing video?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:56 AM

A qiuck "Star Trek" question: in "ST:TMP", Uhura says "The odds of us returning from this may have just doubled".
Er...dosen't she mean "havled"?

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:12 PM

Batman question.
Why is it that the booklet of the 2 CD Archival Edition of Batman says that the Main Title March is in 7/4? Either I can't count anymore or my hearing is impaired, but to me it's regular 4/4, or 2/2.


It's in 4/4.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:37 PM

Some of that less structured stuff in the intro could be in 7/4.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:36 PM

A Dark Knight Question.

According to wikipedia, Zimmer says that the actual theme fro batman, is heard twice in the film, and is present in Batman begins. But I always thought that the two note theme (the D F theme) was his main motif. And the motif in "A Watchful Guardian" and "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" Is heard many times in the score, so it can't be the theme Zimmer is referring to. Any ideas?
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:12 PM

It's Wikipedia. Anyone could have written it. Just wait to see what it says tonight.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:33 PM

It's Wikipedia. Anyone could have written it.


Yeah, even Hans.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:32 AM

There's also the theme heard in Molossus at the 0:40 mark, and right at the end of the credits. That's the one he's referring to, I believe. It's labeled as Batman Theme on the b**t.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:28 AM

Ah. So what exactly do each of the motifs in the score represent? There's that D-F theme, and the heroic-ish theme in Like A Dog Chasing Cars...
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 03:05 PM

Some of that less structured stuff in the intro could be in 7/4.


No, it changes between 4/4 and 5/4, but the main cue is written in 4/4.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:14 AM

Is the quote of the JFK drum motif used in the segment of Nixon showing JFK getting off the plain tracked in or did Williams write it for that scene?

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:20 AM

I think it is probably tracked but highly intentional and a great way of linking these films. Stone used some music from Born on the Fourth of July in JFK so I don't think it is wrong to assume he did it for Nixon as well.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:40 AM

Is "LIght My Way" from Rosewood written by JW?
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