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[Hlao-roo]

Is "LIght My Way" from Rosewood written by JW?

Yes, it's one of four songs Williams wrote for the picture.

[indy4]

Thanks.

[ComposerEthan]

Two things.

Is the muted trumpet motif in Bait for ET the same as Key's theme in Far From Home? That trumpet thing is also in Over the moon. And what does that stringed theme in bait for Et and Over the Moon represent? It's also in the Bike Chase (I'm not sure, as I've never seen the movie).


Why does RCP and Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe use D minor a LOT. Like Pirates, Megamind, Madagascar, Sherlock Holmes, Iron Man, etc?

[indy4]

Two things.

Is the muted trumpet motif in Bait for ET the same as Key's theme in Far From Home? That trumpet thing is also in Over the moon. And what does that stringed theme in bait for Et and Over the Moon represent? It's also in the Bike Chase (I'm not sure, as I've never seen the movie).

The muted trumpet is one of the themes for Keys, the one heard in Far from Home is the second theme for Keys. Is the string theme you're referring to also the one that starts of the end credits? I think it's open to interoperation, but in my recent analysis of the score I called it the "children's theme." As gorgeous as it is, it seems to be one of the more functional, as opposed to meaningful, theme from E.T. I think its biggest purpose is to illustrate the external conflicts and plot developments in a musical fashion, rather than speaking directly to the message of the score/film.

[ComposerEthan]

Oh is there a way I can look at your analysis of ETs score? I'd LOVE to read it!

[indy4]

Thanks for the interest. Here it is...you need a subscription to FSM Online Magazine to access it:

http://www.filmscore....cfm?issueID=89

[ComposerEthan]

Oh and what does the three chord ascending phrase represent in Pirates of The Caribbean? It first showed up in Dead Man's Chest, and I wonder if it worked for the Pirates like the Rebel Fanfare does, or does it represent anything else?

It's usually played by horns and the chords are Dm-Bbmaj-Gmaj.

It's in Wheel Of Fortune (near the end), The Maelstrom battle, Guilty of being Innocent of being Jack Sparrow, and Palm Tree escape.

[Alexander]

I've a little question here:

The string chords at 1:42 in "Pirating the Pirates" from Ice Age: Continental Drift remind me of something... Does anybody know something similar?

[ComposerEthan]

Oh and what does the three chord ascending phrase represent in Pirates of The Caribbean? It first showed up in Dead Man's Chest, and I wonder if it worked for the Pirates like the Rebel Fanfare does, or does it represent anything else?

It's usually played by horns and the chords are Dm-Bbmaj-Gmaj.

It's in Wheel Of Fortune (near the end), The Maelstrom battle, Guilty of being Innocent of being Jack Sparrow, and Palm Tree escape.

Could you type that in the Italian way (do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-si)?

Not sure how to do that. LOL.

[indy4]

Weren't there rumors in the mid 1990s that Williams was going to retire? When specifically did that happen, and what was the source of the rumors?

[Michael]

Are there any interviews out there where John or Brian DePalma talk about their collaboration on The Fury?

[Incanus]

I remember an old article in British Film Magazine in 1978 written by reporter Derek Elley who interviews Williams and he talks of his career and recent works, among other things The Fury. Williams complements Brian DePalma's style and editing, says he had pretty much free hands with the score and that DePalma loves music and likes it to be in the forefront quite often. Also he adds that he had the good chance of recording the album for The Fury with the LSO before starting to work on The Superman, his next project.

[Michael]

Nice. Thanks, Incanus!

[Incanus]

Nice. Thanks, Incanus!

You can find the whole interview here btw: http://www.jw-collec...rview/elley.htm

[Alexander]

Oh and what does the three chord ascending phrase represent in Pirates of The Caribbean? It first showed up in Dead Man's Chest, and I wonder if it worked for the Pirates like the Rebel Fanfare does, or does it represent anything else?

It's usually played by horns and the chords are Dm-Bbmaj-Gmaj.

It's in Wheel Of Fortune (near the end), The Maelstrom battle, Guilty of being Innocent of being Jack Sparrow, and Palm Tree escape.

Could you type that in the Italian way (do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-si)?

Not sure how to do that. LOL.

I'm sorry, i didn't look at what you typed

I'm not sure, but i think it stands for Davy Jones.

[E.T. & Elliott]

I have a 33 second track from A.I. titled "Intro to". What the hell is this?

[Delorean90]

Haven't checked this thread in a while, so sorry to have note answered this question yet, Ethan. The reason Zimmer & Co. use D minor so much is because it's the saddest of all keys. Look for Lick My Love Pump: The Very Best of Hans Zimmer and Remote Control Productions, in stores soon.

[indy4]

I have a 33 second track from A.I. titled "Intro to". What the hell is this?

It's probably from the scene where

[Richard]

Weren't there rumors in the mid 1990s that Williams was going to retire? When specifically did that happen, and what was the source of the rumors?

He didn't retire, thank the maker! No idea who spread them around. Probably some young comer called Gold something-or-other, so he could get more oscar nominations!


But seriously...has anyone heard "Aurora"?

[Jason LeBlanc]

has anyone heard "Aurora"?

There's a whole thread about it here: http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=22001

[Richard]

Thanks, Jason!

[Miles Prower]

How long did it take for LLL to mark the price down on ID4?

[crocodile]

Hey, $19.99 is a reasonable price for 2 discs!

Karol

[Incanus]

Hey, $19.99 is a reasonable price for 2 discs!

Karol

Indeed! I almost feel sorry for the specialty labels for selling this stuff so cheap. Almost.

[Stefancos]

Why?

Cheap is good!

[Incanus]

Why?

Cheap is good!

I said almost.

[Wojo]

Why?

Cheap is good!

Yup. Mad Dog 20/20.

[Miles Prower]

Hey, $19.99 is a reasonable price for 2 discs!

Never said it wasn't!

[Richard]

Iknow that I have asked about this before, and I hate to harp on about it, but...is there, or is there not money in the 23rd/24th Centuries, in Star Trek?

In "Caretaker", Harry Kim nearly buys something from Quark, and in "VI", Scotty says ("that suits me) I just bought a boat".
In "IV", and "FC", however, it is stated that money does not exist (evolved sensibilities, etc.).

I understand that, even though The Federation may not deal in money, other other cultures probably do.

So...money, or no money?

[Faleel]

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Iknow that I have asked about this before, and I hate to harp on about it, but...is there, or is there not money in the 23rd/24th Centuries, in Star Trek?

In "Caretaker", Harry Kim nearly buys something from Quark, and in "VI", Scotty says ("that suits me) I just bought a boat".
In "IV", and "FC", however, it is stated that money does not exist (evolved sensibilities, etc.).

I understand that, even though The Federation may not deal in money, other other cultures probably do.

So...money, or no money?

Are not Credits money in a different way as well?

[Wojo]

It's plausible that human culture in the Starfleet/Federation future no longer transacts physical currency with each other to make purchases. Look at Kirk's apartment in "II" and his collection of antiques. Did he steal them? Were they passed down from his ancestors? And what's to stop another citizen of Earth from making off with them in his absence?

Obviously they have some kind of credit or service system in place. Maybe they serve so many years in Starfleet or in a gainful occupation and get X number of credits per week that they can use towards physical curiosities, since at some point, at least in the 24th century, food and clothing can be replicated. But people still miss "real" food and beverage, not the simulated stuff, because if matter <--> conversion is flawless, then biological waste can be reconverted back into raw matter to fuel more replicators, as opposed to having to grow crops and slaughter livestock. Look at Picard's family, still working the vineyards as they had for generations. Were they doing it for free? Were the grapes just for show?

Harry's purchase is interspecies and we know that Ferengi don't subscribe to the noble Starfleet philosophy of no money. They charge and stockpile gold-pressed latinum. Maybe Starfleet personnel have some "money" that they need to barter with other alien species, but they are not supposed to hoard the credits they earn in order to build vast collections of stuff. They're supposed to be past that.

Why did Scotty "buy a boat" then? Maybe he bought it from an alien. Maybe it's just a 20th century slang phrase that wormed its way into the script. Maybe it's one of those lines that put a dagger in Gene Roddenberry's heart because it violated his philosophy of a money-less society.

It's a wonder that in the xenophobic Cold War-era 1960s, Star Trek wasn't shut down on the spot as a result of Roddenberry's communist philosophy of a peaceful future with no money, no want, and no need to stockpile possessions which runs counter to greedy capitalist business practices. Maybe John Lennon's song "Imagine" was just his way of summarizing a Star Trek episode. It's a beautiful dream but it'd never work on real life; that's what makes it science fiction.

[Stefancos]

Scotty bought a boat from Ferengi's!

[Wojo]

Possible but unlikely. When Jon Archer's Enterprise NX-01 encountered the Ferengi in 2151, they weren't named so it wasn't an official "first contact." The next "known" encounter was in 2355 when the Stargazer under Picard destroyed a rogue Ferengi vessel. "Official" first contact came nine years later at a derelict Tkon Empire site.

Could they have met around 2293, when the events of Star Trek: VI took place, and their race and its name simply remained unknown to Starfleet for another 60+ years? I guess. Anything is possible in the land of unfilmed Star Trek backstory, and it is likely that the Ferengi did make clandestine deals with humans without the Federation being aware.

While not canon, there is a Star Trek novel that explains why the Ferengi appear to be so militant towards the Federation when they encounter the Stargazer and so early on in TNG's first season. The Grand Nagus believed the moneyless Federation was insane and thus a military threat, and so wanted to appear strong in response. Unfortunately, nothing about the Ferengi was scary -- hence the return of the Romulans and thre creation of the Cardassians and Borg -- but fortunately they were rewritten to become the relatively harmless and greedy aliens we came to love on DS9.

[Alexander]

Is Predator's main title in 11/8 time?

[Ren]

Link, I dont own that score.

[BloodBoal]

You can buy it new for $229 here.

[Jason LeBlanc]

[Ren]

Gosh. I can not concentrate on counting today. Sorry I'm no help. Maybe tomorrow. It's definitely not an obvious 11/8 that's for sure.

[Maglorfin]

Isn't it in 3/4+5/4?

[Stefancos]

No, it's 3 minutes, and 52 seconds