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[indy4]

An orchestra in performance always has a major disadvantage to an orchestra that was recorded, regardless of actual skill. The performing orchestra usually has a very limited time to rehearse the piece. They have a single opportunity in which they must be victorious, as opposed to a recorded orchestra's ability to record several times until they perfect the performance. Not only this, but the performing orchestra is more likely to screw up in their one opportunity due to the knowledge that they only have that single chance to succeed. A recorded orchestra benefits from having mixers who can perfect the music beyond the ability of the actual musicians. I doubt even an orchestra like the LSO could perform "Mine Car Chase" as good as the original, under usual concert circumstances.

[Marian Schedenig]

I've heard the duel music from Adventures of Robin Hood performed live, at original speed, and it easily matched (or beat) any recording I've ever heard of the piece. Granted, that was the rehearsal, and it wasn't quite as flawless in the final concert, but still.

[Mark Olivarez]

When we had the mini JWFAN gathering in Houston, the Houston Symphony played "The Creation" from The Bride Of Frankenstein and it felt like we were on the actual scoring stage.

[John Crichton]

Man, that was great. All that was missing was the film.

[Wojo]

Does anybody know what the piece of music played in Weight Watchers' "Momentum" TV commercials, featuring the orange Hungry monster? It sounds like it could be a real piece of classical music or 20th century jazz-type music, and I'd really like to hear it in a longer, isolated session.

[MissPadmé]

well this sounds like special composed music/ or stock music. It is def. a sampled orchestra. allthough it has good samples

if you check the opther commercials on youtube you will notice it always has the same music but difgferent variations (some sound more smpled some less)

[MissPadmé]

Can anybody help me? I want to buy a rather Microstereosystem - I have heard that some of those are really soundmiracles!!
so just by looking at this model, and the specifications, would you say it is any good (reg sound)? cause I am a technical noob..

http://www.amazon.de...U/ref=de_a_smtd

[Marian Schedenig]

Why micro? Size, price or other reason? I rather mistrust them... not least because when one part fails, you can usually throw out the whole thing.

[MissPadmé]

As much as I would like to have a component tower - I don't have enough room/or enough money..
But if you can tell me a decentReciever/Amp - Cd player and 2 speakers for roughly 350€ I would be very thankful..

[Marian Schedenig]

Last time I looked at that stuff was years ago, so I'm not of much help here. But if you have the room, I'd suggest still keeping your eyes open for components, too. The best solution is to find a small quality HIFI store that's closing or selling off stock. If you go for an integrated system, make sure it has the necessary inputs (and perhaps outputs) to connect other components. That way you won't regret your decision within just a few years.

[Richard]

Hey, people, I'm thinking of buying two 3-c.d. sets of "Star Trek TMP", and "The Swarm" "sessions". Does anyone have any of these, and, if so, what is the sound quality like? BTW, does anyone know if you can get hold of "The Eleventh Commandment"?

[Koray Savas]

What's the longest it's ever taken for SAE to ship an order? For me it usually takes 1 or 2 days, but I made an order 4 days ago and it's still pending.

[Mark Olivarez]

What did you order? Usually they get them out as quickly as possible. I usually don't get a shipping confirmation until my order arrives.

Hey, people, I'm thinking of buying two 3-c.d. sets of "Star Trek TMP", and "The Swarm" "sessions". Does anyone have any of these, and, if so, what is the sound quality like? BTW, does anyone know if you can get hold of "The Eleventh Commandment"?

I wouldn't buy them because they are bootlegs.

[Koray Savas]

What did you order? Usually they get them out as quickly as possible.

La Storia Vera Della Signora Dalle Camelie - Morricone
Allonsanfan (Expanded) - Morricone
Dark Of The Sun - Loussier

[Richard]

What did you order? Usually they get them out as quickly as possible. I usually don't get a shipping confirmation until my order arrives.

Hey, people, I'm thinking of buying two 3-c.d. sets of "Star Trek TMP", and "The Swarm" "sessions". Does anyone have any of these, and, if so, what is the sound quality like? BTW, does anyone know if you can get hold of "The Eleventh Commandment"?

I wouldn't buy them because they are bootlegs.

I hear what you are saying, Mark, and there's the rub. I wouldn't want to get involved with an activity that is, perhaps, immoral at best, and, at worst, against the law. In my defence I will say this: to paraphrase Sarek; "My logic is uncertain, where John Williams, and Jerry Goldsmith are concerned." I have heard some bootlegs, and they vary in quailty from "C.E.3.K.", and "I.J. + T.L.C." (bloody awful), to "Far And Away" vol. 2 (not bad), to "factory pressed "A.I." 2-c.d.(brillant!),
The question is, IMO, undoubtly a moral one-stick with the offical c.d., and lose the possibility of hearing all that lovely rare music, of give in to temptation, possibly break the law, and willingly give your money to goodness knows what all! It is not a question that will ever be answered soon, but I would be very interested to read what other people think.

[Maurizio]

As much as I would like to have a component tower - I don't have enough room/or enough money..
But if you can tell me a decentReciever/Amp - Cd player and 2 speakers for roughly 350€ I would be very thankful..

I suggest you something like this.

Onkyo is a very good choice. I bought the CS-315 model a couple of years ago (now out of catalogue) and I'm very satisfied. They're good, lovely minisystems, with great sound. It's a real bargain.

[Marian Schedenig]

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Dark Of The Sun - Loussier
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I see I'm not the only one who decided he needs this. It'll be part of my next SAE order. (Still waiting for that Morricone from Play btw... once again they shipped a wrong CD)

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[quote name='Mark Olivarez' date='29 September 2009 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1254182974' post='601809']
What did you order? Usually they get them out as quickly as possible. I usually don't get a shipping confirmation until my order arrives.


[quote name='Richard' date='28 September 2009 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1254175182' post='601798']
I hear what you are saying, Mark, and there's the rub. I wouldn't want to get involved with an activity that is, perhaps, immoral at best, and, at worst, against the law. In my defence I will say this: to paraphrase Sarek; "My logic is uncertain, where John Williams, and Jerry Goldsmith are concerned." I have heard some bootlegs, and they vary in quailty from "C.E.3.K.", and "I.J. + T.L.C." (bloody awful), to "Far And Away" vol. 2 (not bad), to "factory pressed "A.I." 2-c.d.(brillant!),[/quote]

Oh, I think you understood Mark wrong. The question isn't so much one of getting or not getting it, but rather one of paying for an unmentionable or getting it somewhere else. The general idea being: Buy originals, find the others.

[Wojo]

If you have to pay for something that you can't buy through SAE, Amazon, or a private label -- and actually never, ever had the opportunity to do so, either -- there's probably something you can do differently.

[Mark Olivarez]

Marian is correct. For some reason I was having a brain fart yesterday and couldn't figure out a way to word it appropriately.

[Koray Savas]

Well I emailed SAE about my order, they're waiting for restocks of Allonsanfan, which they should have soon.

[Mark Olivarez]

That was the point of my original question had I remembered to follow up.


I was going to suggest they didn't have it in stock.

[Wojo]

Quick question: Who sang the song "Childhood" that was unused from Hook, but is circulating on the internet? It sounds like Sarah Brightman, but I'm not sure.

[Jason LeBlanc]

http://jwfan.com/for...2&st=0&p=532696

[Wojo]

Thanks Jason.

So now to give her props for the song in my <gulp> iTunes, I would tag her with John Williams as Artist, and make John Williams the AlbumArtist for Hook. Is that the best way? Absolutely none of my music files use AlbumArtist.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Hmmm, you could ignore Album Artist and keep the Artist as "John Williams" like everything else from Hook, but for the song title you could do "Childhood (with Demi Fragale)"

[Mark Olivarez]

I would just make Williams the artist or else it will put the cue out of order.


If you put Williams as the Artist and Composer and put her as the Album Artist for her cue only, then you'll have to go in and put Williams as a the Album Artist on the rest of the cues.

[Wojo]

Hmmm, you could ignore Album Artist and keep the Artist as "John Williams" like everything else from Hook, but for the song title you could do "Childhood (with Demi Fragale)"

This sounds like the better option. I'll adopt that tactic for the majority of the Horner scores, where he wrote the music for the end credits song, to avoid putting Diana Ross and Celine Dion in the artist tags.

I thought Album Artist represented the disc, and Artist could be used to break apart each individual song credit? That's the jist I get from the iTunes forums. And changing Album Artist using MP3Tag or MediaMonkey is easy, since I'm putting album art into my files and converting back to ISO tags anyways.

Take "O Brother, Where Art Thou" as an example. AlbumArtist would be be "Various Artists" and Artist would be each individual singer/group. Right?

[Mark Olivarez]

I dunno, I just use the Artist and Composer fields.

One of these days I may re-visit filling the rest in. I may have gotten Artist and album Artist backwards.

[Wojo]

It's only a big deal on the mixed soundtrack albums with different contributors, or something like a tribute album. I don't listen to the hiphop genres that consist of Artist A featuring Artist B.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Take "O Brother, Where Art Thou" as an example. AlbumArtist would be be "Various Artists" and Artist would be each individual singer/group. Right?

Right. That's exactly how it's supposed to work.

[Jacob]

Quick question...

In Raiders, what does Marion call Toht when he throws her into the pit, "Get your hands off me you slimy [inaudible]"?

[Wojo]

I think that in the case of classical music, I may have to use the Artist, Album Artist, and Composer fields backwards by intentional design.

For instance, Disney's Fantasia, by all rights a film score, but also a decent cross-section sampler of classical music. Leopold Stokowski conducted the Philadelphia Orchestra, sure, but I wouldn't make him the artist. I'm more interested to see who wrote each particular piece, Beethoven, Bach, Stravinksy, et al, since the rest of my classical music collection is sorted with the composer as the artist, since it's way too much work to add all that info, if I can even determine it, to the tags, and I rarely have more than one or two clip of each piece (except the common ones, like LVB #5 or PYT 1812). So in this case, the "Artist" tag would be the composer, and the "Composer" tag would be the conductor. Maybe the Album Artist would be Stokowski, but I have no other Stokowski that I know of.

[Koray Savas]

I don't even bother putting the conductor or orchestra, just the composer. Artist and Composer are the same in my library, unless they're songs, in which the artist would be the band and the composer would be who wrote it.

[Wojo]

Now I can see it being relevant for albums like soundtrack re-recordings, of which I have many. Gerhardt's Star Wars Trilogy, Gerhardt's Casablanca, the Utah Symphony's Star Wars, Tadlow's El Cid and Exodus, and Morgan Stromberg's King Kong, Sea Hawk/Deception, Robin Hood, and Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Even Alien (which I don't own yet) was not conducted by Goldsmith. I believe that I've been setting the original composer the Artist, and the re-recording team as the Composer. I think it all boils down to what do I think is most interesting when I press play.

[Mark Olivarez]

For re-recordings I just put the original composer's name in the artist field.


As I mentioned before, one of these days I might sit down and redo it by fixing the album artist field.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

Now I can see it being relevant for albums like soundtrack re-recordings, of which I have many. Gerhardt's Star Wars Trilogy, Gerhardt's Casablanca, the Utah Symphony's Star Wars, Tadlow's El Cid and Exodus, and Morgan Stromberg's King Kong, Sea Hawk/Deception, Robin Hood, and Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Even Alien (which I don't own yet) was not conducted by Goldsmith. I believe that I've been setting the original composer the Artist, and the re-recording team as the Composer. I think it all boils down to what do I think is most interesting when I press play.

for rerecordings I put the rerecording conductor in parentheses in the Album field, e.g. Superman: The Movie (John Debney Re-recording), original composer in the Artist field and conductor and orchestra in the Lyrics field (so I can see the info on my iPod, because the album text doesn't scroll in the Now Playing screen.)

[Wojo]

Now Lyrics is a tag I never thought to use. I have been adding info like this to a blend of Composer and Comments tag, like the date a specific concert occurred on, though I don't think Comments show up on an iPod.

Now I just need to find a way to transfer information from one tag value to another, say from Comments to Lyrics. MP3tag works much like an Excel spreadsheet, but I don't know how to do mass changes without going out to the filename and back into the tag, or export to a text file, adjust the columns, and re-import.

[BurgaFlippinMan]

I use Tagscanner (freeware) to do just about everything I need to do with ID3 tags. the Comments field does not show up in the iPod, but the Lyrics does (press center button in the Now Playing screen a few times, it will appear after the Shuffle Options tab)

[Wojo]

I'll give it a try. I think it's on my LiberKey stick. I tried MediaMonkey but really didn't care for it.

[Charlie Brigden]

Ignore this, they perform under William Stromberg obviously. I'm an idiot.