Yeah, but that's because you only like 0.1% of movies in general.
Everyone else had a great daft grin on their faces.
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I didn't know anything about ROTJ and I cried anyway.
Are you saying that you were moved to tears by this film?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 09:59 AM
Yeah, but that's because you only like 0.1% of movies in general.
Everyone else had a great daft grin on their faces.
I don't think you saw it in 1983, am I right? Believe me, a lot of fans cried.
Are you saying that you were moved to tears by this film?
Well, I was a big Star Wars fan so I even travelled to London to see it. I sat in the theater and what I saw (a silly kids movie) made me very, very sad. It was the day that George Lucas stopped being a god for this teenager (which I was at the time, of course). Luckily, I had another god, which was Ridley Scott, but he stopped being a god not long after that too.
And no, we knew nothing about ROTJ. There was no internet and Lucas made sure everything was kept a secret. The Luke -Vader - Emperor confrontation was the only segment that I liked.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:12 AM
Honestly, I don't think Jedi is any more of a kids movie than the previous two. Of course, they're actually family movies, but never mind. The whole Luke vs. Vader & Palpatine scenes in Jedi are among the best drama in the entire trilogy as far as I'm concerned.
Talking about the spoilersome hype thing though got me thinking about LotR again - chiefly The Return of the King. If there was one movie - and indeed trilogy - in my lifetime that against all odds defied spoilerific (not the literal form, obviously) pre-release hype and rabid internet searching for any and all morsels of information and imagery - both static and moving - then Return of the King is it. Somehow, that movie managed to exceed expectations and deliver in every conceivable way.
Head scratching, awe inducing stuff.
But proves it is possible to live up to a legacy.
Talking about the spoilersome hype thing though got me thinking about LotR again - chiefly The Return of the King. If there was one movie - and indeed trilogy - in my lifetime that against all odds defied spoilerific (not the literal form, obviously) pre-release hype and rabid internet searching for any and all morsels of information and imagery - both static and moving - then Return of the King is it. Somehow, that movie managed to exceed expectations and deliver in every conceivable way.
Head scratching, awe inducing stuff.
But proves it is possible to live up to a legacy.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:44 PM
I don't think you saw it in 1983, am I right? Believe me, a lot of fans cried.
No. The de-evaluation of ROTJ only started as the Internet became more mainstream and people started egging each other on to dismiss the film
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:52 PM
I liked Jedi more when I was a kid, and I agree that the Luke-Vader-Emperor stuff is the film's main real asset (aside from the score). It could certainly be far worse than it turned out, but it never feels like it strikes a good tonal balance for the conclusion. I really wish they had struck a more cohesive blend between the excitement and enthusiasm of ANH with the drama and intensity of ESB. Ford and Kurtz were absolutely right about the need to show more of a sense of loss, and I think having Han go out sacrificing himself for the Rebellion would have been an excellent way of bringing his arc to a proper conclusion and give some much needed weight to the conclusion. No one of any consequence is lost, and that lack of gravity is a big part of what really makes it feel more like a kiddie movie. The deleted scenes dealing with Jerjerrod and aiming the Death Star at Endor would've given more tension to the climax as well.
It also doesn't help that the vibe is hindered by the drop in cinematography from ESB to ROTJ, either.
It's a perfectly fine family adventure film, but as the conclusion to the Star Wars saga, it could have been so much more.
It also doesn't help that the vibe is hindered by the drop in cinematography from ESB to ROTJ, either.
It's a perfectly fine family adventure film, but as the conclusion to the Star Wars saga, it could have been so much more.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 03:46 PM
I don't think you saw it in 1983, am I right? Believe me, a lot of fans cried.
No. The de-evaluation of ROTJ only started as the Internet became more mainstream and people started egging each other on to dismiss the film
How old were you in 1983, Steef?
Honestly, I don't think Jedi is any less of a kids movie than the previous two.
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I stopped reading after that.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:50 PM
That's because you're a hopeless cunt. If you weren't you'd have realised it was a simple typo on my part. "Less" should have read "more".
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:02 PM
All that doesn't matter, Quint, history has proven that the Marquand's installment is faaaaaaaar behind the first two Star Wars movies. The only true fans of ROTJ that I know of are the ones who saw it as a kid, and even then it was the very first Star Wars they ever saw. ROTJ is full of stuff for little kiddies. I pretty sure that you belonged to the exact category I just described. What are you, in your thirties? See?!
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:10 PM
Blah blah blah. More tired ramblings of a hollow old fart.
Where's Ricard? He saw Jedi back in '83. He disagrees with you.
Where's Ricard? He saw Jedi back in '83. He disagrees with you.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:11 PM
You two always crack me up. 
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:11 PM
Blah blah blah. More tired ramblings of a hollow old fart.
Touché!
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:17 PM
All that doesn't matter, Quint, history has proven that the Marquand's installment is faaaaaaaar behind the first two Star Wars movies. The only true fans of ROTJ that I know of are the ones who saw it as a kid, and even then it was the very first Star Wars they ever saw. ROTJ is full of stuff for little kiddies. I pretty sure that you belonged to the exact category I just described. What are you, in your thirties? See?!
Such a stereotypical view of ROTJ... Only by putting your arguments in a 2D, cardboard reality are you able to get your point across. "The only true fans of ROTJ [that I know of] are the ones who saw it as a kid". This is simply not true. You know it, I know it. But making such claims - and hoping that people will believe these falsehoods - is your way of debating it seems.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:20 PM
It is, but sshh - Alex likes to think nobody's onto him.
It's more fun if you play along. MUCH more fun
It's more fun if you play along. MUCH more fun
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All that doesn't matter, Quint, history has proven that the Marquand's installment is faaaaaaaar behind the first two Star Wars movies. The only true fans of ROTJ that I know of are the ones who saw it as a kid, and even then it was the very first Star Wars they ever saw. ROTJ is full of stuff for little kiddies. I pretty sure that you belonged to the exact category I just described. What are you, in your thirties? See?!
Such a stereotypical view of ROTJ... Only by putting your arguments in a 2D, cardboard reality are you able to get your point across. "The only true fans of ROTJ [that I know of] are the ones who saw it as a kid". This is simply not true, but claiming it - and hoping that people will believe this falsehood - is your way of debating it seems.
Sorry, everybody knows you are one of them. Don't make me post lists because you will lose.
The only thing you need to understand is that ROTJ is faaar behind the first two star wars movies. I don't care if I'm hurting your childhood memories. I'm just sharing my expriences.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:24 PM
All that doesn't matter, Quint, history has proven that the Marquand's installment is faaaaaaaar behind the first two Star Wars movies. The only true fans of ROTJ that I know of are the ones who saw it as a kid, and even then it was the very first Star Wars they ever saw. ROTJ is full of stuff for little kiddies. I pretty sure that you belonged to the exact category I just described. What are you, in your thirties? See?!
Such a stereotypical view of ROTJ... Only by putting your arguments in a 2D, cardboard reality are you able to get your point across. "The only true fans of ROTJ [that I know of] are the ones who saw it as a kid". This is simply not true, but claiming it - and hoping that people will believe this falsehood - is your way of debating it seems.
Sorry, everybody knows you are one of them. Don't make me post lists because you will lose.
Another desperate attempt to validate your narrow views of ROTJ... 'Lists?' What's this; grade 5?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:25 PM
I don't know Roald. Jabba's palace feels a bit like like Muppet Show.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:27 PM
I don't know Roald. Jabba's palace feels a bit like like Muppet Show.
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So..?
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Another desperate attempt to validate your narrow views of ROTJ... 'Lists?' What's this; grade 5?
You sound so hurt, kid.
I don't know Roald. Jabba's palace feels a bit like like Muppet Show.
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So..?
What do you mean so? Just admit it. How old were you when you saw it, Roald? Aren't you about the same age as Quint?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:30 PM
I think that's self-explanatory.
I don't know Roald. Jabba's palace feels a bit like like Muppet Show.
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So..?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:32 PM
Where's Ricard? He saw Jedi back in '83. He disagrees with you.
I figure as long I'm not talking about Logan's Run I'm okay.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:35 PM
Another desperate attempt to validate your narrow views of ROTJ... 'Lists?' What's this; grade 5?
You sound so hurt, kid.
I don't know Roald. Jabba's palace feels a bit like like Muppet Show.
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So..?
What do you mean so? Just admit it.
Yeah, it's true. But again; so..? Is it a bad thing..?
I've never been the biggest supporter of ROTJ, not even as a kid. It's not on par with SW or ESB. But the movie has its moments and the Luke-Vader-Emperor scenes are great. I always enjoyed the Jabba sequence. So full of creativity. The build up of the movie works too. It takes it time and works towards a satisfying conclusion. In the end the film does what it needed to do. Nothing more, nothing less.
My irritation lies in grave generalisations concerning ROTJ. 'It's a kiddie movie'. 'It's a muppet movie'. 'It only has those f*ckin Ewoks'. 'Only people who saw it as a kid like it'. Blech..!
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:37 PM
OK then. Let's try from the other side. What do you think makes it so mature?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:39 PM
OK then. Let's try from the other side. What do you think makes it so mature?
Karol
And where did I saw 'mature'..? I don't want SW to be mature..!
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:43 PM
You don't get it. You state that it's a stereotype, but never give a reason why should we agree with you.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 05:58 PM
All that doesn't matter, Quint, history has proven that the Marquand's installment is faaaaaaaar behind the first two Star Wars movies. The only true fans of ROTJ that I know of are the ones who saw it as a kid, and even then it was the very first Star Wars they ever saw. ROTJ is full of stuff for little kiddies. I pretty sure that you belonged to the exact category I just described. What are you, in your thirties? See?!
Such a stereotypical view of ROTJ... Only by putting your arguments in a 2D, cardboard reality are you able to get your point across. "The only true fans of ROTJ [that I know of] are the ones who saw it as a kid". This is simply not true, but claiming it - and hoping that people will believe this falsehood - is your way of debating it seems.
Sorry, everybody knows you are one of them. Don't make me post lists because you will lose.
But you don't strike me as someone who has had many of those. I'm serious. I don't mean to hurt your adulthood, I'm just sharing my experience of you here.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:52 PM
I saw the film this morning, and it was one of my greatest science fiction experiences in God knows how many years.
Fantastic film!
A couple of elements that could have been improved (some of the acting/characters, Pearce's makeup and some plot holes/inconsistencies towards the end), but really classic Scott all the way.
The film is so beautiful you just want to hang it on the wall! Lots of food for thought too.
Fantastic film!
A couple of elements that could have been improved (some of the acting/characters, Pearce's makeup and some plot holes/inconsistencies towards the end), but really classic Scott all the way.
The film is so beautiful you just want to hang it on the wall! Lots of food for thought too.
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I am sad but I suppose not surprised that there are plot holes. How bad are the plot holes?
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:01 PM
27 hours and 58 minutes to go.
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Two days for me, if everything goes according to the plan (but it never goes according to the plan, does it?)
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:27 PM
I'll try and see it this weekend.
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We should go together!
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If I didn't have exams I would so go abroad...
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 07:38 PM
You'd rather take a holiday than see the prequel to Alien?
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It's obvious I would go abroad to see the prequel to Alien.
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I am sad but I suppose not surprised that there are plot holes. How bad are the plot holes?
Not bad. It's just the end, which doesn't quite connect the film with ALIEN. A prequel is planned, so maybe the ties will be knit there, but from what I've understood, he's walking down another plotline that is also introduced at the end.
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Why do I have to wait till next week to see this accursed film?!?
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the reviews are encouraging.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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