Yeah, the first reviews seem to suggest something decent.
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So Ridley Scott is directing an Alien prequel... (The official Prometheus Thread)
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 09:12 PM
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:32 AM
Prometheus
Some really good visuals (Scott can make a good looking s-f) and actually quite impressive 3D (of all things!). But the whole film is a giant piece of turd. Boring, predictable and incerdibly heavy-handed. A train wreck!
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Some really good visuals (Scott can make a good looking s-f) and actually quite impressive 3D (of all things!). But the whole film is a giant piece of turd. Boring, predictable and incerdibly heavy-handed. A train wreck!
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Crap, I didn't expect that.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:11 AM
doesn't mean you'll have the same reaction.Crap, I didn't expect that.
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Prometheus
Some really good visuals (Scott can make a good looking s-f) and actually quite impressive 3D (of all things!). But the whole film is a giant piece of turd. Boring, predictable and incerdibly heavy-handed. A train wreck!
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Maybe your expectations were toooooooooooo high!
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:51 AM
That's me few days ago:Maybe your expectations were toooooooooooo high!
I'm going to see it on Thursday night. My expectations are quite low.
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Lazy script (which is not that different from Alien), not scary, not exciting and certainly not original. Let alone intelligent or thought-provoking.
But, as I said, impressive visually. That, however, can't carry the whole film, though. And we're talking about the director of Blade Runner. Scott has still got what it takes to pull off another great, but this is simply not the one. I was more entertained by Robin Hood or Body of Lies, seriously.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:55 AM
It's just lazy, not scary, not exciting and certainly not original. Let alone intelligent.
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Is it a nice, laidback, dude-y kind of lazy?
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:00 AM
No, it's Superman Returns kind of lazy. With characters actually spelling out themes of the film ("OMG that's where we come from", "I want to know what's our purpose" type of things).
Oh and the trailers pretty much show everything.
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Oh and the trailers pretty much show everything.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:06 AM
Obviously the film was thought provoking, provoking us to ask "Why was this movie made and why is it so patronizing?".No, it's Superman Returns kind of lazy. With characters actually spelling out themes of the film ("OMG that's where we come from", "I want to know what's our purpose" type of things).
Oh and the trailers pretty much show everything.
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Oh btw were the characters relatable at all?
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I wish this could have been put in the Prometheus thread instead. Now this one is a no-go area for me until I've seen the movie.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:17 AM
Nope. I fact they seem to belong in another movie.Obviously the film was throught provoking, provoking us to ask "Why was this movie made and why is it so patronizing?".
No, it's Superman Returns kind of lazy. With characters actually spelling out themes of the film ("OMG that's where we come from", "I want to know what's our purpose" type of things).
Oh and the trailers pretty much show everything.
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Oh btw were the characters relatable at all?
Don't worry Quint. I'm done. I feel like I'm wasting my time typing this reaction anyway.I wish this could have been put in the Prometheus thread instead. Now this one is a no-go area for me until I've seen the movie.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:17 AM
And the score?
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:53 AM
There is a cool quote from Jerry Goldsmith early on. Can't remember the rest.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:09 PM
I've been saying all along that everything about Prometheus looks amazing, and the only thing I'm worried about is the script. Looks like I was right to worry.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:42 PM
Yes, exactly. Don't get me wrong. The look of the film is stunning. In fact it might be one of the most impressively looking blockbuster films in a good while. You can tell it has been done by someone who is a true auteur visualist. And for that reason I wouldn't necessarily discourage anyone from seeing it on big screen. Even 3D is used tastefully (even though, I hate the technology in general).I've been saying all along that everything about Prometheus looks amazing, and the only thing I'm worried about is the script. Looks like I was right to worry.
The script and acting, however... I don't want to be a troll who spoils fun for othe people. But I was really bored and so-called philosophical questions of epic proportions are quite... cheap. It's not Blade Runner, Close Encounters or 2001 (or even A.I., for that matter) where you get the story that's told in a captivating way, but you also get a profound subtext that's not stated directly, you can read as you will. Here it's all on a plate, in a dialogue. There's no metaphor or subtext. That's really lazy writing.
And even on a plot level, the story isn't very clear. You're not sure who these characters are, what they want and what this story is even about. It's some setpieces stiched together from better films.
Last night I left the cinema angry and hugely disappointed.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:06 PM
Having seen the movie in an early promo screening I think this is how reaction to the film will pan out: the critics will be mixed, the moviegoers will love it, and it will ultimately go down as a very good film after a few years.
Not too dissimilar from its grand daddy, though that one went down as a great. This has a few glimmers of greatness, but on first viewing it seems to lack the level of tight focus needed to get there. But I need to see it a little more to adequately judge the narrative.
Visually though it is a very striking movie. We're talking of the sort that will be ripped off for the next decade to the point of making us want to throw up. Think...The Matrix.
Not too dissimilar from its grand daddy, though that one went down as a great. This has a few glimmers of greatness, but on first viewing it seems to lack the level of tight focus needed to get there. But I need to see it a little more to adequately judge the narrative.
Visually though it is a very striking movie. We're talking of the sort that will be ripped off for the next decade to the point of making us want to throw up. Think...The Matrix.
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arn't you dead?
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Just got back from Prometheus, brief thoughs: It wasn't very good at all. Not awful, just... bland. The biggest problem with it is it's just completely unnecessary, I can't fathom how such a rich concept could wind up being so lifeless, and most damning of all: pointless. The script doesn't help - it's dreary dull and even cringe inducing in places. This movie is cliché city where its characters are concerned - seriously we are in AvP territory with this line up of usual suspects. It's really rather embarrassing; what with this being Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS. I just expected better drawn roles here that haven't already popped up in every previous sci-fi movie ever. Oh and this fabled photography we were all expecting and hoping for; it's nothing special. This is NO Alien in that regard. Get that idea right out of your head from the start. I'm not saying it doesn't look decent, but c'mon, let's be real. FYI I saw it in 2D, because the 3D times weren't convenient.
Positives: there's one excellent sequence involving a medical procedure and we'll, um, the main theme is really rather beautiful. A shame, considering.
I really can't recommend this film.
Positives: there's one excellent sequence involving a medical procedure and we'll, um, the main theme is really rather beautiful. A shame, considering.
I really can't recommend this film.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:29 PM
My thoughts on seeing it are in the film thread (after complaining that Croc didn't post his own in here.)
Lee - who thinks The Matrix makes Prometheus look like a porno.
Edit: Ah, looks like Jason cut and pasted it here in the right place.
Lee - who thinks The Matrix makes Prometheus look like a porno.
Edit: Ah, looks like Jason cut and pasted it here in the right place.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:49 PM
Yeah, that's the best scene in the film, I agree.Positives: there's one excellent sequence involving a medical procedure and we'll, um, the main theme is really rather beautiful. A shame, considering.
I'm really surprised that you had the similar kind of reaction to this film, as we usually disagree. There must be something to it then.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Having seen the movie in an early promo screening I think this is how reaction to the film will pan out: the critics will be mixed, the moviegoers will love it, and it will ultimately go down as a very good film after a few years.
Not too dissimilar from its grand daddy, though that one went down as a great. This has a few glimmers of greatness, but on first viewing it seems to lack the level of tight focus needed to get there. But I need to see it a little more to adequately judge the narrative.
Visually though it is a very striking movie. We're talking of the sort that will be ripped off for the next decade to the point of making us want to throw up. Think...The Matrix.
Yea, the visual style looks amazing, I was on board to see it on that alone. Glad I know to go in not expecting anything special in the script. And, BTW, great to see you posting again
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I don't think moviegoers will love it at all. It's too unfocused and full of forgettable hokum for that. And the climax was unintentionally amusing, including the obligatory branching coda (remember when movies didn't have those?)
I actually spotted the warning signs within fifteen minutes of the movie starting: the sparse white ship interiors, the quasi-sixties costumes - I was like, okay Ridley, so you've been watching 2001, we get it; but couldn't you have made it a little less, obvious? It screamed try-hard.
I actually spotted the warning signs within fifteen minutes of the movie starting: the sparse white ship interiors, the quasi-sixties costumes - I was like, okay Ridley, so you've been watching 2001, we get it; but couldn't you have made it a little less, obvious? It screamed try-hard.
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Nooo!!
Oh well. At least I hope Del Toro gets it right when he gets to his ancient astronauts film. That one could have really cool monsters.
Oh well. At least I hope Del Toro gets it right when he gets to his ancient astronauts film. That one could have really cool monsters.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:57 PM
My appetite for grown-up alien artifact/world discovery movies remains decidedly unsated. But at the very least I expect del Toro to come up trumps with a good old fashioned monster flick.
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Alright, I'm staying out out of this thread considering everyone's already seen the film. We Canadians have to wait till next week.
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My appetite for grown-up alien artifact/world discovery movies remains decidedly unstated. But at the very least I expect del Toro to come up trumps with a good old fashioned monster flick.
I've been waiting for a film to do that and actually get it right since my disappointment with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I even wrote something about it myself. Del Toro is doing that kaiju film but he needs to go back to Mountains later if he can.
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Alright, I'm staying out out of this thread considering everyone's already seen the film. We Canadians have to wait till next week.
Yeah, that's because you Canadians are sssssssslllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
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Not that slow in comparison to us Italians--the movie will come out only in October here 
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:52 PM
Lee - who thinks The Matrix makes Prometheus look like a porno.
I can't say I completely disagree and I can see where you are coming from. But that also maybe because I consider The Matrix the most important film made in terms of visual style. My personal favorite of the hundreds of films I've seen as well.
But come on, you must be watching some seriously high quality porn. And knowing you that's highly unlikely, I imagine you're into the kind made with some two-bit whore and a VGA phone camera shot in a mobile home in Alabama with methheads.
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True.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:56 PM
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Cryogenic stasis my man. Amazing what they can do these days.
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Yeah, that's because you Canadians are sssssssslllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww-eh...
Fixed.
I'm disappointed that so many people are disappointed by Prometheus. I rely on people's opinions before I go see movies anymore; I don't trust my own opinions in case I blow $9 on a movie that blows.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:44 PM
Two tickets, a medium popcorn and a bottle of water came to £24.00. THAT'S a rip-off. The 3D version would probably have came to £28. Before the movie, an information film played about piracy and the potential it has to shut down cinemas.
Fucking right, I thought.
Fucking right, I thought.
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That's why I always go by myself to the English version (discount, forced 3D is there's any), the cheap day (Wednesday), with my student card for discount just in case, and I don't buy food or drink. And only if the film looks visually spectacular enough to need the big screen and I really feel like seeing it.
My alternative is getting them out of the library, or out of the bigger library.
My alternative is getting them out of the library, or out of the bigger library.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 10:08 AM
Thinking about this today, I can honestly say I'd rather watch Event Horizon or AvP, than Prometheus again. You're all gonna think I'm taking out of my arse, but it's true.
The movie is just so amazingly dull.
The movie is just so amazingly dull.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 05:30 PM
It is indeed. In fact I'd rather watch a Michael Bay film or some other shit.
It didn't just underwhelm. It actually made me angry.
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It didn't just underwhelm. It actually made me angry.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 05:36 PM
Well, I wouldn't go that far (I was sniggering out loud by the end), but it just seems like they made the movie, well, because they'd gone and started it. It's like watching a trolley slowly rolling down a gentle hill, diagonally. And then it just sort of comes to rest as the ground levels out.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 06:07 PM
I know they make a shitloads of money off Coke and all this stuff.
Anyway, Quint, maybe I'm overreacting, but that's because this film should have been at least decent. You know, unremarkably different. I isn't.
Even half-decent would do.
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Anyway, Quint, maybe I'm overreacting, but that's because this film should have been at least decent. You know, unremarkably different. I isn't.
Even half-decent would do.
Karol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
- Christopher Nolan
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