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#121 Charlie Brigden

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:18 AM

Are you sure Boyle said "horror" and not "zombie"? The latter would make more sense since 28 Days Later is a horror movie. Weather it's a zombie movie is more debatable.


It could have been zombie, in fact I think it might have been. I remember thinking it was funny because Alex Garland wrote it as an unashamed homage to Romero.
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:05 PM


Are you sure Boyle said "horror" and not "zombie"? The latter would make more sense since 28 Days Later is a horror movie. Weather it's a zombie movie is more debatable.


It could have been zombie, in fact I think it might have been. I remember thinking it was funny because Alex Garland wrote it as an unashamed homage to Romero.

Interesting, the connections we make. Technically speaking, 28 Days Later isn't a zombie movie at all (since the "creatures" in it aren't dead, just diseased), and yet--because they feed on human flesh--everyone called it a zombie film. Guess if it looks like one and acts like one. . . .

I disagree (not about posting more, you should), Alien is a horror film. You can wrap it in SF trappings all you like, it's still a haunted house movie.

Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence.


That's usually a generalisation normally used by people who are derogatory towards the genre of horror as a whole. But it's a broad statement. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (which was a HUGE influence on Ridley Scott and Alien) has no graphic violence. The Exorcist has very little. The Shining. The Omen. Halloween. None of these movies have any more graphic violence than Alien. Yet you'd be hard pressed to call them anything but horror movies.

I think probably what you're thinking more of are things like Saw, which I agree are generally a waste of time. But you infer a lack of intelligence in horror films, which again is an oversimplification, like saying all fantasy films are for adolescents and people who refuse to grow up. For example, Dawn of the Dead contains much graphic horror and wears its horror film tag on its sleeve, but it's known as much for its intelligence and satirical and social qualities as it is for its gore. David Cronenberg's films are fiercely intelligent.

Besides, Aliens is an action film ;)


Much as I'd like to, I can't really argue with you here. I don't infer a lack of intelligence in horror films as a whole (we can all think of some brilliant ones); but I'll cop to the generalization bit, and even to being a bit derogatory toward horror films. You make some good points here.

Still, I'm not yet ready concede all. I still think Alien is far more a thriller than a horror film. But, hey, maybe that's just me. . . !

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:23 PM

I like all movies if they are good :). Example: 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later are both horror movies but I only like the first one.

Whilst the original is the better movie, I found the sequel to be good in its own right. The opening sequence was an absolute barnstormer and the I found the movie in general to be thrilling, compared to the more character driven Days. 28 Weeks Later was a worthy sequel.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:33 PM

When is 28 Months Later gonna come out? :)

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:48 PM

When is 28 Months Later gonna come out? :)


I think Boyle and Garland are working on it.
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 02:53 PM

Yeah I heard that, bring it on. I got room for one more.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 09:54 PM

I lost patience 2/3 through the first one...

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 02:01 AM

The last third is the best part!

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 08:31 AM

The last third is the best part!


Not if you've seen Day of the Dead.
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 08:54 AM

The third part of 28 Days Later brilliantly shifted its focus from the 'infected' to the world of a new humanity: a frightened and lawless man that is even more dangerous than the poor but predictable 'infected' one.



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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:56 AM

Or Rambo in Manchester.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 01:21 PM

Or Rambo in Manchester.

The best thing they did to Manchester was to incerate it. ;)

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 01:26 PM

Maad for iiit

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:48 PM

Update:

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:53 PM

Nice that it's going to be a 2 - parter, but, honestly; "Paradise"?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:53 PM

Alien is a lame title too, if you think about it. And the absence of that word in the new title is encouraging. Kind of like TDK. I like simple titles like this. They're more elegant, I think. And they promise something more special.

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 03:57 PM

Don't know if this was posted, but there are rumors of H.R. Giger being involved in the Alien Prequel. Kinda cool to imagine.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 08:19 AM

Ridley Scott's Prometheus will be released March 9th, 2012

Scott: "While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."

Sounds like the start of a new science fiction series. The word "Alien" doesn't even appear in the official title of the film.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:22 AM

From what I understand it is more of a spin-off than prequel. Doesn't matter anyway. I like what I'm reading here.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:42 AM

Doesn't matter anyway. I like what I'm reading here.


I agree, except for the possible involvement of Jolie or Theron. Just like with Alien, I want the film to be the star, not the actors.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 11:29 PM

I'm glad it's not an "Alien" film. Give me Ridley doing Sci-fi, with no expectations.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 01:35 AM

But it is an Alien film, it just doesn't have the word "alien" in the title. Is it still going to be PG-13 or is the studio going to let Scott do what he wants?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 01:57 AM

Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 01:32 PM

I understand they went all about the "space jockey" on the script, and then they they thought "Ok this is cool by itself, why don't we make it an original story instead of a prequel to Alien?". And then they chose a different title for it.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 02:44 PM

Hello, sweetie. Alex, you know that statement goes against EVERYTHING you believe about films! :P


I don't think so, honey. ;)

Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it.


That's how I read it too. That's also the reason why there's no "alien" in the film title. The producers ain't gonna like this.
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:19 PM


Hello, sweetie. Alex, you know that statement goes against EVERYTHING you believe about films! :P


I don't think so, honey. ;)

Au contraire, darling; au contraire. If you are as passionate about films as I think you are, then you'll know that ALL films are about people, and that no one element of a film should dominate, however good it is. Having said that, I will happily admit that, with some films, the only reason that they are even remotely watchable is due to the technical aspects of the film.
As far as "ALIEN" is concerned, Scott always intended the "look" of the film to be its main attraction, and, on that score, he succeeds magnificently! But is that right? It seems that more and more films get attention for their technical aspects, rather than their artistic merits. Surely, something is seriously wrong, here?

Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it.


That's how I read it too. That's also the reason why there's no "alien" in the film title. The producers ain't gonna like this.

PROMETHEUS: FROM AND INSPIRED BY THE MOTION PICTURE "ALIEN". Just doesn't sound right, does it?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:50 PM

I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example.

I absolute, agree with, and endorse your point, Chaac! my complaint is that too many films are known far more for what goes on behind the camera, than for what goes on it front of it. All elements of a film should, IMHO, be subservient to the story.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 05:02 PM

If you are as passionate about films as I think you are, then you'll know that ALL films are about people ...


It's important, sure, but what distinguishes a movie from other movies? The artist's vision. The way a story is told.

I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example.


True.
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 02:51 AM

This film will end up tanking anyway.

Oh well it can't drag the Alien franchise any lower then it already is.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 11:03 PM

Non-Alien prequel is actually an Alien prequel
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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:06 AM

What a surprise.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:50 AM

"Giger-like" means Giger is not on board?


Apparently "Prometheus" is the name of a giant terraforming spaceship.
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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:06 PM

"Giger-like" means Giger is not on board?


The credit will probably say: "Original ALIEN designs by H.R.Giger". ;)

Is Amalgamated Dynamics on board?

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:25 PM

I'm really curious as to what Damon Lindelof has in store for us. Not that he's the most awesome writer ever. But his work on Lost proves at least that he's really passionate and willing to take a tired concept and have fun with it. He's actually trying to make things interesting.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 07:58 AM

Is Moebius on board? Rambaldi? Ron Cobb?


I mean, if all these great individuals aren't on board then what's the use?
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

Michael Fassbender will star opposite Noomi Rapace in Prometheus
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 05:36 PM

Is Moebius on board? Rambaldi? Ron Cobb?


I mean, if all these great individuals aren't on board then what's the use?


...and, of course, we all want to see Scott working again with Roger Dicken, don't we? ;)

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 05:43 PM

Well, he did make sure there was a contrast between the 'little nibbling cutesy pie alien' and the full-grown one.
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Posted 31 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

Non-Alien prequel is actually an Alien prequel


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