I don't think anyone is criticizing Scott's old stuff.
sorry to hear you're dying.
I know, it's just that among the films from him that I haven't seen is the one that I want to see the most.
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I know, it's just that among the films from him that I haven't seen is the one that I want to see the most.
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My thoughts on Nolan nose-dived after Inception. I'll still take modern day Ridley over him. Ridley is a much better storyteller, he knows how to spin a good yarn. Nolan is too obsessed with details.
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I don't remember much about memento except that I thought it was dull, and again not a fan of non linear story telling if it's dull. Guy Pearce is a very mediocre actor
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 01 February 2011 - 06:28 PM
I think Insomnia was good, if carried by the two central performances a little. Memento was fantastic, however. Pearce was brilliant, but there was a wonderful performance by Steven Tobolowsky in there that I love. Following is very good, as are the two Bat-flicks. And what I've seen of Inception was brilliant.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:30 PM
In my book.
Memento - good
Insomnia - okay (it was a long time ago)
Batman Begins - good
The Prestige - awful
The Dark Knight - good
Inception - okay
I'm still waiting for a 'great' film from him.
Memento - good
Insomnia - okay (it was a long time ago)
Batman Begins - good
The Prestige - awful
The Dark Knight - good
Inception - okay
I'm still waiting for a 'great' film from him.
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:35 PM
I'm one of those awkward sods who prefers Batman Begins to The Dark Knight.
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:40 PM
With a camera.I wonder how Ridley will shoot it this time.
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:41 PM
3D right?
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Oh, I bloody, fucking, arseing, shitting, pissing, c**ting well hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!3D right?
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:45 PM
Vulgarity!
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:51 PM
Apologies if I upset anyone with my last post, but my sentiments still stand. This 3D bandwagon has gotten out of control. Come on; "Yogi Bear" in 3D? Who needs it?! Please, Mr. Scott, do not make this film in 3D, I beg of you.
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 02:09 PM
I'm one of those awkward sods who prefers Batman Begins to The Dark Knight.
Same here. It's a lot less self-important, a bit more fun - if you know what I mean. TDK's too Michael Mann.
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I'm a huge Mann fan so that's probably why I think it's so great. But then again, I love Begins just as much. Although I think objectively TDK is the better film.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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TDK's too Michael Mann.
Indeed, and by doing so, it's too much a departure from Batman. At least, with Batman Begins, we get a story about Batman and one that is told from Batman's perspective.
In my experience, TDK impresses more on the first date but disappoints during the second.
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I hope TDKR is NOT like BB, either 
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 05:42 PM
TDK's too Michael Mann.
Indeed, and by doing so, it's too much a departure from Batman. At least, with Batman Begins, we get a story about Batman and one that is told from Batman's perspective.
But then that's the point, with escalation being the theme it's about Batman's effect on the city and its criminals, that it becomes a wider story, albeit with Batman still as the main focus. I'm sure the focus will be tightened on him in the third flick.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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As great as TDK was, I hope the third one is far less plotty and slightly less po-faced. But then this is Nolan, so I'm not hopeful.
I'm sure it'll be a good time at the cinema nonetheless.
I'm sure it'll be a good time at the cinema nonetheless.
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I hope TDKR is NOT like BB, either
If it is I won't waste my time watching it.
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I'm one of those awkward sods who prefers both.I'm one of those awkward sods who prefers Batman Begins to The Dark Knight.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Best case scenario it'll take the best qualities from both films and combine them to make something unique but still apart of a whole. The title itself actually suggests this.I hope TDKR is NOT like BB, either
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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BB is boring as hell, and the action scenes are so pedestrian, it's clear that Nolan is not equipped to film action. Even TDK suffers from his inability to know how to shoot action.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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BB is five times the film TDK is, in every category except quality of villains. Oh, and quality of score, since both are pretty equally...Zimmerish.
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I like both. I found TDK more surprising because it went all Michael Mann.
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And a little bit James Bond (like Inception). And wasn't the first one (Batman Begins) already "surprising" compared to all the Tim Burton Batman movies? Anyway, it feels more authentic and less imitated.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:38 AM
Don't see much of James Bond in TDK actually. Apart from a few gadgets, but they have been a part of the Batman realm for decades.
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And a little bit James Bond (like Inception). And wasn't the first one (Batman Begins) already "surprising" compared to all the Tim Burton Batman movies? Anyway, it feels more authentic and less imitated.
Well it didn't really susprised me because I saw the Tim Burton movies after Batman Begins.
What I like about BB is that it is a superhero film, as opposed to TDK. But it's less polished at times.
I can see what you mean about the James Bond thing.
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Don't see much of James Bond in TDK actually. Apart from a few gadgets, but they have been a part of the Batman realm for decades.
Not much but some sequences reminded of Bond a little bit and I didn't even know Nolan was such a huge Bond fan.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:50 AM
Which Bond, the serious Daniel Craig version, or the comical Roger Moore?
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Not the actor but more the concept. Bale would make a good Bond in a James Bond film directed by Nolan.
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Bale would probably do a brilliant job in portraying the cold, calculated 007 as portrayed in the Ian Flemming novels. But directed by Nolan, please no....
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:00 PM
You don't to hear Hans Zimmer's take on Bond?
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We need to keep Zimmer away from Nolan. And from Scott.
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You don't to hear Hans Zimmer's take on Bond?
I don't need to, I can easily picture the Zimmer version in my mind.
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He'd bin the main theme off for a start because heroic fanfares are a thing of the past according to him.
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BB is five times the film TDK is, in every category except quality of villains. Oh, and quality of score, since both are pretty equally...Zimmerish.
I'm glad I'm not alone in this point of view.
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We need to keep Zimmer away from Nolan. And from Scott.
No, you need to keep Nolan away from Zimmer. So it ultimately doesn't matter who scores because all of Nolan's pre-Zimmer films feature the same kind of atonal atmospheric music by David Julyan.
Ridley Scott dumped Zimmer a long time ago.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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All this talk of "the talented Mr. Zimmer" reminds me; wasn't there another 2-note theme written in the mid-70s - this time for a rather large fish..?
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williams worked, zimmers didn't, and John's was more than 2 notes when fleshed out, zimmers was noise.All this talk of "the talented Mr. Zimmer" reminds me; wasn't there another 2-note theme written in the mid-70s - this time for a rather large fish..?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 07:11 PM
The difference being that that 2 (or actually 3) note theme was the backbone on which a lot of other musical aspects were hung on. Listen to the Main Title from Jaws and tell me that it's only "dum dum...dum dum...dum dum"
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I knew that I would take a lot of flack for my last post - I should have typed INCOMING!!! at the end or it.
Of course, I'm writing in jest - no-one would dare criticize J.W.'s masterful and primal approach to the theme (especially after how Spielberg envisioned it...). It just goes to show what can be done with two (o.k., three) notes. Maybe this 2-note motif for Batman is exactly what Nolan wanted. Anyway, he seemed to like it enough to use it in his next 2 Batman films...
Of course, I'm writing in jest - no-one would dare criticize J.W.'s masterful and primal approach to the theme (especially after how Spielberg envisioned it...). It just goes to show what can be done with two (o.k., three) notes. Maybe this 2-note motif for Batman is exactly what Nolan wanted. Anyway, he seemed to like it enough to use it in his next 2 Batman films...
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