No more Harvey for Steven Spielberg:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012212.html?categoryId=13&cs=1&ref=ssp
I must say I'm relieved he abandoned the project, even though the subject matter was kind of ideal for him.
However, now John Williams' schedule is even more open to make him available for Deathly Hallows Part I & II.
Variety reports Spielberg's next film after Tintin will be........
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 09:52 AM
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:09 AM
However, now John Williams' schedule is even more open to make him available for Deathly Hallows Part I & II.
Yes!
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:13 AM
Maurizio - I share your feelings about this....when it was announced, I kinda said "Oh.....really?" to myself....ideal project for him, but maybe not for his audience...or the public in general....roll on Indy V!!! 
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:29 AM
Spielberg has already several potential projects in the pipeline (the long-delayed Lincoln biopic, Interstellar, The 39 Clues, Pirate Latitudes), I just hope he'll commit to something interesting and up to his talent (no Indy V, please).
I'd love to see him tackling a big David Lean-like epic movie along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia or The Bridge on River Kwai. It's something he still hasn't approached (Empire of the Sun is probably the most alike) and I'm sure he would deliver the goods. For example, I'd love to see a film like Moby Dick directed by Spielberg. Think about Jaws, but on a huge and epic scale.
I'd love to see him tackling a big David Lean-like epic movie along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia or The Bridge on River Kwai. It's something he still hasn't approached (Empire of the Sun is probably the most alike) and I'm sure he would deliver the goods. For example, I'd love to see a film like Moby Dick directed by Spielberg. Think about Jaws, but on a huge and epic scale.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 12:57 PM
Just make a damn movie, Spielberg.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 01:35 PM
Don't forget we'll have The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn coming up as well.
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 03:24 PM
Ehh no big loss.
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Indeed.Just make a damn movie, Spielberg.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 04:23 PM
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Can we agree that it's been yellow-lit, with a possibility for promotion to green in the future?
Lucas financed the prequels himself didn't he. Just paid Fox to distribute them for him I believe.
Fox paid Lucasfilm for the distribution rights, but yes he did pay for the films out of his own pocket.Well whatever, my point is Indy 5 is not green-lit.
No, it has not been greenlight by Paramount or Lucasfilm. All that we know is that Lucas/Spileber may have an idea. But no script or outline has been written.
Can we agree that it's been yellow-lit, with a possibility for promotion to green in the future?
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 05:15 PM
Indeed. And once again, never believe a Spielberg film is certain until he's actually behind a camera.Ehh no big loss.
The problem is once he does make one he'll amuse himself so much with how quickly he can do it he'll forget that it needs to be, you know...good.Indeed.
Just make a damn movie, Spielberg.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 06:15 PM
I'm indifferent to this news. The movie itself has nothing to do with that fact.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 10:54 PM
When has that happened?The problem is once he does make one he'll amuse himself so much with how quickly he can do it he'll forget that it needs to be, you know...good.
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Just make a damn movie, Spielberg.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:18 PM
War of the Worlds, for one.
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:19 PM
The movie I have down on my calendar is Indy 4. Sorry, Indy 4 - I'm sure if I thought about it long and hard enough I'd remember an earlier instance where Spiels seemingly lost the plot.When has that happened?
The problem is once he does make one he'll amuse himself so much with how quickly he can do it he'll forget that it needs to be, you know...good.
Indeed.
Just make a damn movie, Spielberg.
Edit: Marc beat me to it.
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If WotW is the result of Spielberg rushing a project, I hope he continues to do so...
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Just do some big epic movie before JW is too old or dies
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:43 PM
Pushing 78 isn't too old????Just do some big epic movie before JW is too old or dies
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:45 PM
If KOTCS is any indication, yes it's too old.
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:59 PM
Yeah but KOTCS was ghost written by Conrad PopeIf KOTCS is any indication, yes it's too old.
Williams hadn't the strength to lift his pencil. He probably sucked all the lead out of it.
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Maybe the inofficial reason for Spielberg to abandon this project was Williams saying:"Sorry Steven, no - not this time! I will write Harry Potter!"
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:07 AM
Maybe the inofficial reason for Spielberg to abandon this project was Williams saying:"Sorry Steven, no - not this time! I will write Harry Potter!"
And for a tenth of his usual salary without doubt, to make the transition from Hooper as seamless as possible.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:23 AM
Hmm, this is sad news. I thought Harvey could've been very good material for Williams to compose a beautiful, melodic and whimsical score, sorta like an E.T. of the 2000s. I hope he's not going to waste his or my time with another Potter or Indiana Jones.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:48 AM
Surely you jest?
This project looked terrible. Remember, Spielberg did not fare very well with that other remake of an old film, Always.
And the score was pretty boring too.
Not to mention this stuff about a giant rabbit just brings back bad memories:
This project looked terrible. Remember, Spielberg did not fare very well with that other remake of an old film, Always.
And the score was pretty boring too.
Not to mention this stuff about a giant rabbit just brings back bad memories:
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 11:38 AM
Yeah but KOTCS was ghost written by Conrad Pope
If KOTCS is any indication, yes it's too old.
At least he can still write NEW music unlike some younger composer...
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 11:41 AM
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haha
giacchina is much younger, i mean just younger
giacchina is much younger, i mean just younger
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Surely you jest?
This project looked terrible. Remember, Spielberg did not fare very well with that other remake of an old film, Always.
And the score was pretty boring too.
Not to mention this stuff about a giant rabbit just brings back bad memories:
Why would the film and score resemble Always? Because it's a remake?
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:01 PM
I think Always was still better than Indy IV, Munich and War of the Worlds. Combined. Boy did those suck. Spielberg needs to prove he can still make a great film. I don't think he can.
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I always thought MUNICH was rather underrated. Still, it's been a while since AI. I think he's still got a couple of great films in him, I think he just has to have some patience with himself and quit attaching himself to everything under the sun. I do think there's some issues with expectation regarding his films, which I suppose is fair as per the career he's had, and is the same with other directors. But I still think WOTW and Indy IV, massive issues as they do have, aren't really any lower quality than what Hollywood throws at us every summer, one or two exceptions excluded. It's just that his movies used to be the exception to the rule, instead of being part of it, which still makes me want to root for him every time a new film comes out. It doesn't help that there seems to be a current trend where a lot of pedestrian Hollywood movies are immediately held up as modern classics because they're not absolute shit.
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Very well said Charlie.
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:28 PM
The Indy IV score did NOT suck.... (i would really like to know what drove you to the conclusion that it sucks)
The score was very good, not great but a very fine and worthy effort for an Indiana Jones film with a lot standout pieces, a wealth of new material but
also some boring underscore (but the other ones did have that too)
And just please stop the worthless and unjustified Indy IV and Starwars Prequel bashing. They wouldn't have been that successful and loved by lots of people (maybe not on this board but in general)
if they were so bad like most on this board propose...
(Spielberg still can, he made Minority Report and Catch me if you Can in the 2000s and i consider them better than Close Encounters and a lot of his other films done in the 80's and 90's ...
and i even like most of Indy IV)
The score was very good, not great but a very fine and worthy effort for an Indiana Jones film with a lot standout pieces, a wealth of new material but
also some boring underscore (but the other ones did have that too)
And just please stop the worthless and unjustified Indy IV and Starwars Prequel bashing. They wouldn't have been that successful and loved by lots of people (maybe not on this board but in general)
if they were so bad like most on this board propose...
(Spielberg still can, he made Minority Report and Catch me if you Can in the 2000s and i consider them better than Close Encounters and a lot of his other films done in the 80's and 90's ...
and i even like most of Indy IV)
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:29 PM
Um why the sadness that it's a remake, Mark (in the original post)?
Name me one Spielberg movie that was original.
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Adaptation, bitch!
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On that note, I think someone possibly mentioned it before, but I think MOBY DICK would be a great project for SS. No one's done a satisfactory adaptation at all (KHAN aside), and the scale of the piece and the heightened emotions within would really match his sensibilities. And it'd be great to have another seafaring JW score.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:45 PM
Moby Dick would be awful and boring...
I don't think anyone would be interested in a story about hunting down a tremendous whale. Not very complex and probably not very epic. That was maybe
interesting 40 years ago but not today with films like 2012 in the cinema.
You don't make money with an underwhelming whale hunt if there are dozens of epic effect films out there
I don't think anyone would be interested in a story about hunting down a tremendous whale. Not very complex and probably not very epic. That was maybe
interesting 40 years ago but not today with films like 2012 in the cinema.
You don't make money with an underwhelming whale hunt if there are dozens of epic effect films out there
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 06:55 PM
It's not that Indy IV is a bad film. It's not that bad. But it's a very AVERAGE movie. Spielberg + Lucas + Ford + Williams, etc. = an average movie??? Something obviously went wrong there and it wasn't fan expectations or whatever. Of course we expect a good or even a great film. Look at what came before it! Alas, even Harrison Ford's performance was all over the damn place. It's like they were having such a good time at the family reunion they forgot to make a good movie. They just went through the motions, really.
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You don't make money with an underwhelming whale hunt if there are dozens of epic effect films out there
Um, are you kidding me? Deadliest Catch is one of the highest rated show on American cable right now...it's an entire show about catching damn fish!
Not very complex and probably not very epic
Again, are you kidding me, or do you lack reading skills and imagination?
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