Ya, but I don't think there will be individual thematic identities for the heroes largely because the thematic tapestry would become too complex for the mainstream superhero formula that requires a primary bold theme for audiences to latch onto. I believe what you're hearing is what you'll be hearing again and again in the film.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:38 AM
Wow, that theme's weak.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:56 AM
Wow, that theme's weak.
I agree it's sounds like something Jablonsky or Djawadi would do, not Silvestri. It is rather disappointing for a major movie like this. I swear it seems like most movies these days have almost no theme to the scores.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:36 AM
Wow, that theme's weak.
I agree it's sounds like something Jablonsky or Djawadi would do, not Silvestri. It is rather disappointing for a major movie like this. I swear it seems like most movies these days have almost no theme to the scores.
Maybe that's why I'm liking the new scores less and less these days. It's starting to get where directors and studios don't want a big recognizable theme and instead just want some nice ambient sound in the background, or some rhythmic material to move things along.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:32 AM
It sounds pretty "Silvestri-esque" to my ears. I can hear his own fingerprints (hey, MediaVentures did not invent minor-mode melodies played by unison horns). Sure, it's not Superman March, but it's quite catchy and fitting with the film's tone.
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:56 AM
What is it with modern composers combining big powerful melodies with drumkits. It sounds so corny.
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DON'T read the review of "The Avengers" (called "Avengers Assemble") provided at http://www.dailymail.co.uk -- I don't even want to provide the link, but I will.
The fourth paragraph gives away a MAJOR spoiler.
Granted, since I haven't seen the movie or read a detailed plot summary anywhere, I don't know if the reviewer is accurate and has ruined the premise, or is a complete moron and doesn't know who is who. I'm leaning towards the former.
The reviewer does give the movie four stars out of five. That's worth something.
The fourth paragraph gives away a MAJOR spoiler.
Granted, since I haven't seen the movie or read a detailed plot summary anywhere, I don't know if the reviewer is accurate and has ruined the premise, or is a complete moron and doesn't know who is who. I'm leaning towards the former.
The reviewer does give the movie four stars out of five. That's worth something.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:31 PM
So the consensus so far is "it's all exposition until the action packed amazing third act". We'll find out next week.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:32 PM
What is it with modern composers combining big powerful melodies with drumkits. It sounds so corny.
A lot of Murray Gold's Doctor Who music is like that. It's getting annoying.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:59 PM
What is it with modern composers combining big powerful melodies with drumkits. It sounds so corny.
A lot of Murray Gold's Doctor Who music is like that. It's getting annoying.
But when he doesn't go overboard with that it's pretty good. He comes up with great melodies.
So the consensus so far is "it's all exposition until the action packed amazing third act". We'll find out next week.
I read Whedon say he was inspired by The Dirty Dozen and Black Hawk Down...
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:15 PM
I can see The Dirty Dozen being an inspiration.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:43 AM
I don't know if the reviewer is accurate and has ruined the premise, or is a complete moron and doesn't know who is who. I'm leaning towards the former.
Tookey is a moron.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:35 AM
It's a solid track. It's not as blatantly heroic as his Captain America March, but it still gets the job done. Those drums were completely unnecessary though. So basically the first half of this track provides the rhythmic identity in the low strings and the second half provides the melodic identity with the horns. He kept it short and sweet. The orchestration was simple and sweet as well. However, the rest of the score was kind of boring.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:57 AM
I liked it alot, and will be getting it from intrada, but I'm not gonna say it's marvel's best (Still Iron Man for me).
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:39 AM
I like the theme a little bit more in that (counterpoint is crucial), but yeah, the drum backing is unnecessary and doesn't really mesh.
And what I've heard of the rest of the score is pretty uneventful really.
And what I've heard of the rest of the score is pretty uneventful really.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:49 PM
It is a stunningly unremarkable score.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:53 PM
I find it listenable. I just wish there was more stuff in it.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:11 PM
I liked it alot, and will be getting it from intrada, but I'm not gonna say it's marvel's best (Still Iron Man for me).
Iron Man's score is easily Marvel's worst.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:51 PM
I liked it alot, and will be getting it from intrada, but I'm not gonna say it's marvel's best (Still Iron Man for me).
Iron Man's score is easily Marvel's worst.
I can easily agree with that statement.
I like Captain America, really. But this Avengers thing is just dull.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:37 PM
I concur. Cap was among the very best of 2011. What's funny is that they are not entirely dissimilar in terms of style.
I liked it alot, and will be getting it from intrada, but I'm not gonna say it's marvel's best (Still Iron Man for me).
Iron Man's score is easily Marvel's worst.
I can easily agree with that statement.
I like Captain America, really. But this Avengers thing is just dull.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:40 PM
I would have never expected such a thing.
Them being vastly different in style I mean.
Them being vastly different in style I mean.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:54 PM
They both smell of Silvestri everywhere.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:59 PM
I think that the Avengers' theme is the best thing of the score, the rest isn't bad, but it isn't impressive.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:04 PM
I think that the best thing about the score is when Capt America's theme shows up three or four times. But then again these statements are so fast and subtle that you can almost hear the producers saying: "You can't have a theme this long in the movie!". The score seems almost embarassed of it. Pity.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:29 PM
This score just seems like a huge missed opportunity.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:35 PM
Only took months and nine pages in here for me to realise this movie is directed by Joss Whedon. Now all of a sudden I'm keen to see it.
I'm so behind the times, I dont know what the heck is happening in the entertainment world lately, I don't know why.
I'm so behind the times, I dont know what the heck is happening in the entertainment world lately, I don't know why.
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Only took months and nine pages in here for me to realise this movie is directed by Joss Whedon. Now all of a sudden I'm keen to see it.
I'm so behind the times, I dont know what the heck is happening in the entertainment world lately, I don't know why.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:51 PM
And what's this, he's written it as well?! And the reviews have raved over it?? Okay now it's at the top of my list. I've been patiently waiting for a summer blockbuster which delivers thrills and spills since Avatar. Must see Captain America first, though.
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I envy you for knowing that this late.
Meanwhile, I love this:
Meanwhile, I love this:
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The Summer blockbuster is dead.
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The Summer blockbuster is dead.
You do have a point there. I mean, look at The Hunger Games. It performed extremely well... has a box-office gross many would-be summer blockbusters are envious of, and it came out in March. It wasn't the first March blockbuster (300 gets that nod), but it's certainly the best March performer... it's on track to close with roughly $379M-$385M in the bank.
People will go see a movie if it looks like a must-see, regardless what season or month it is.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:16 AM
Tom Hiddleton is awful in that role. Way too hammy.
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I don't know, it feels about right given the characters and their situation.
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I don't know, it feels about right given the characters and their situation.
Seems like he's more restrained than he was in Thor. Not bad if you're aiming for the right tone.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:09 AM
It'll be worth the wait!And what's this, he's written it as well?! And the reviews have raved over it?? Okay now it's at the top of my list. I've been patiently waiting for a summer blockbuster which delivers thrills and spills since Avatar. Must see Captain America first, though.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:17 AM
I saw the film last night. The score was pretty much buried in the loud mix of sound effects. Besides that, I really enjoyed the film, even though I'm not a big fan of Joss Whedon and I've never seen the Iron Man movies. The Avengers didn't take itself too seriously and there was plenty of action and banter to hold your attention. I have a co-worker who hated it because "it didn't take itself seriously enough" - I said "you realize this is based on funny books, right?"
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It'll be worth the wait!
And what's this, he's written it as well?! And the reviews have raved over it?? Okay now it's at the top of my list. I've been patiently waiting for a summer blockbuster which delivers thrills and spills since Avatar. Must see Captain America first, though.
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It's got that great buddy vibe going on, like in the rest of Whedon's work.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:38 PM
I'm going to see it tomorrow morning. Stay tuned! I'm going to type some modest review when I get back!
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:08 PM
Loved it.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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