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[Romão]

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

[BurgaFlippinMan]

[Mr. Breathmask]

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

Me too. I know it's got Joss Whedon and all, but it's a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Still, the comic book nerds will lap it up I'm sure.

[crocodile]

Honestly, the more they proclaim it'll be great, the more I think otherwise.

Karol

[Matt C]

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

You haven't seen the film or read any reviews -- so why assume? I know some people aren't fans of Joss Whedon or comic-book movies in general, but still.

I think The Avengers will surprise a lot of people. (I'm a Whedon fan, so I am biased here.) It has a new superhero team-up concept on screen, and it has most of the actors reprising their roles from other Marvel movies (Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, et al). And I was impressed with Whedon's directorial debut, Serenity (which looked 4x more expensive than its $40M budget), so he knows how to handle a production and finish it on time and on budget. And I think he's a good writer.

Some people should give Whedon the benefit of a doubt. He's more than just writing snappy one-liners and killing off beloved characters in his TV shows.

[Mr Big]

Just what I was looking for, another superhero movie. What a breath of fresh air.
It has potential I guess. It has one of the writers from Toy Story. I just can't imagine a superhero team movie without excessive campiness.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

You haven't seen the film or read any reviews -- so why assume? I know some people aren't fans of Joss Whedon or comic-book movies in general, but still.

I think The Avengers will surprise a lot of people. (I'm a Whedon fan, so I am biased here.) It has a new superhero team-up concept on screen, and it has most of the actors reprising their roles from other Marvel movies (Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, et al). And I was impressed with Whedon's directorial debut, Serenity (which looked 4x more expensive than its $40M budget), so he knows how to handle a production and finish it on time and on budget. And I think he's a good writer.

Some people should give Whedon the benefit of a doubt. He's more than just writing snappy one-liners and killing off beloved characters in his TV shows.

Whedon is my only hope for this movie to be any good. And still I'm expecting it to blow. So, yeah. There ya go.

[Mr Big]

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

You haven't seen the film or read any reviews -- so why assume? I know some people aren't fans of Joss Whedon or comic-book movies in general, but still.

I think The Avengers will surprise a lot of people. (I'm a Whedon fan, so I am biased here.) It has a new superhero team-up concept on screen, and it has most of the actors reprising their roles from other Marvel movies (Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, et al). And I was impressed with Whedon's directorial debut, Serenity (which looked 4x more expensive than its $40M budget), so he knows how to handle a production and finish it on time and on budget. And I think he's a good writer.

Some people should give Whedon the benefit of a doubt. He's more than just writing snappy one-liners and killing off beloved characters in his TV shows.

Whedon is my only hope for this movie to be any good. And still I'm expecting it to blow. So, yeah. There ya go.

I don't think Stanley Kubrick could even save it unfortunately. Maybe it'll be good but superhero movies to me are some of the dullest films out there.

[BloodBoal]

[Matt C]

Whedon is my only hope for this movie to be any good. And still I'm expecting it to blow. So, yeah. There ya go.

I can see why some people expect this movie to blow, but I can't see why people think it'll fail because it's "rushed." Now, Marvel Studios deserve some flack since none of their films have been truly remarkable -- okay at worst and pretty good at best -- but nothing groundbreaking. But this is the film they set the groundwork for in the first Iron Man onwards, so I'm hoping they pull out all the stops for this one.

I don't want summer 2012 where all the successful superhero films are the realistic and gritty kind (a la The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man).

[Jason LeBlanc]

Cool shots from The Avengers filming in NYC

http://www.slashfilm...hero-bits-75/2/

[crocodile]

The first trailer.

I can't say it looks particularly good.

Karol

[Jason LeBlanc]

Quicktime version looked like crap on my computer. Found it on youtube:

[Maurizio]

Meh.

[Romão]

I'm just gonna quote myself

I just don't see how this movie can be any good, honestly

Some of that dialogue is laughably bad

[Matt C]

I love how Disney is pretending Paramount and Marvel are still releasing this movie. Not to say Paramount isn't going to have their name and logo on the film, but how Disney is distributing it. (No Disney logo is anywhere to be seen.)

But it looks epic. Hate how Marvel went back on their word and are making a 3D release.

[Stefancos]

It looks exactly like I imagined it would. Which is never a good thing.

[Maurizio]

The latest FSM Online reports that Alan Silvestri will score the film.

[crocodile]

Cool. Hopefully he will use Capt. America's theme.

Karol

[Jason LeBlanc]

I can't imagine why he wouldn't

[crocodile]

Well, you. Captain America is very much a period piece so the score feels more like Medal of Honor or Band of Brothers than superhero genre. Who knows what it will be like?

Karol

[Matt C]

Thank goodness. Silvestri is certainly up to the task.

But I wonder if he'll use Doyle's Thor theme or any of the thematic material from the first two IM movies?

[Joey]

this teaser didn't tease.

[Stefancos]

I feel like i've seen the whole movie.

[Ro Sajooc]

The latest FSM Online reports that Alan Silvestri will score the film.

Alan Silvestri Confirmed to Score The Avengers

It's a great choice .

[crocodile]

The question is now whether he'll follow his Capt America score stylistically or will he be asked to "G.I. Joe it" with obnoxious and generic electronics?

Karol

[tharpdevenport]

Either way is bad enough.

We're talking about a director who said he liked Burwell, but didn't hire him on his last two films or TV show, and replaced him on "Serenity".

A director who didn't hire David Newman again, whom he said the River theme brought him to tears.

A film under studio preassure to pull off many things, tie it to passed and future superheor films, and make big bucks.

A movie that has to do all that and make sense from beginning to end with multiple characters, some of which already have preset molds from previous films.

And a composer who's scores as of late have left much to be desired.


I strongly suspect Whedon was talked into using Silvestri, and I strongly suspet we're in for more of the same Silvestri.


This film has what scoring it will get, already written all over the walls. And with Whedon already sort of pigeonholded with some characters and outcomes ('cause of future films), we can't expect something great here.


In the end, mark my words, this will be another lack luster superhero film that blows, with an average score, but with staunch supporters of both (there's always those folks)

[Pieter_Boelen]

Was Captain America not the only one of the films this is a sequel to that had a more orchestral than MV/RC type score?
I'd say it's hilarious that Alan Silvestri would then be hired to score this film, rather than any of the people who did the scores for the others.
Maybe "they" finally saw the error of their ways? Or maybe not... But still!

[Ro Sajooc]

I really hope an orchestral score, I actually love The First Avenger score.

[crocodile]

I like it too. Feels genuine.

Karol

[Matt C]

I strongly suspect Whedon was talked into using Silvestri, and I strongly suspet we're in for more of the same Silvestri.


This film has what scoring it will get, already written all over the walls. And with Whedon already sort of pigeonholded with some characters and outcomes ('cause of future films), we can't expect something great here.


In the end, mark my words, this will be another lack luster superhero film that blows, with an average score, but with staunch supporters of both (there's always those folks)

That's really harsh. Amazing how confident you are in that Silvestri's score will suck, and we haven't heard a note of music thus far. It's entirely possible Whedon wanted someone like Newman or his Buffy composers back, but the producers "recommended" someone else. Or it could be that Whedon wanted to work with different people.

But to go out and say, "Silvestri's score will suck, just because I didn't like his recent output and these other composers aren't chosen blah blah" is really baseless and whiny. Joss Whedon has always managed to evoke some of the best music from the composers he's worked with, and I think Silvestri will follow suit.

Wait until the movie comes out before criticizing the score, not before.

[tharpdevenport]

Sometimes track records speak for themselves. I was right about "The A-Team" (though I hoped for the best), "G.I. Joe" and "Captain America".

Whether talked into it, or not -- to take you position -- Silvestri was obviously hired for a reason here, not because of his talent or because the film was something he'd be adept at/or just has "Silvestri" written all over it.

Half the composers Joss has worked with have not evoked anything worth a toot, or at best "okay".

As for the BTVS composers:

Walter Murphy never gets movie gigs anymore (except that little animated film ay ear back which was news on the Moon only)

Christophe Beck is booked up pretty well.

Adam Feilds will never get such a gig (not reflecting his abilities, but rather Hollywood reality)

It appears Joss has never asked Thomas Wanker to do anything after two years of BTVS.

Ditto Doglas Romayne Stevens and Robert Duncan for the same reasons of Fields.

^^^ No one to ask but Beck and that's iffy at best at getting it.



Unlike some of you, I don't have to wait for a movie to come out. There are such things as trakc records, whether you want to see it or not. There are such things general output, proven abilities; and yes, there are exceptions to that on occassions. But if you think Tyler Bates is going to come out and write a striking Herrmann-esque string score, you're dead wrong. You think Hanzi Zimmer is gonna go write a lush, lyrical woodwinds Delerue score, you're on another planet.
Take Craig Armstrong, for example. "Hulk", [i]"In Time"[/b], and what I've heard about what he did do for "Clash of the Titans", there's now a track records; I'd be saying the same thing had he got it.


This film calls for certain scoring needs by the trailer and public photos released.


Maybe you can't so easily spot things, but I can probably ramble off a dozen or two films from the last few years I knew were gonna blow and DID.

[Faleel]

Sometimes track records speak for themselves. I was right about "The A-Team" (though I hoped for the best), "G.I. Joe" and "Captain America".

Whether talked into it, or not -- to take you position -- Silvestri was obviously hired for a reason here, not because of his talent or because the film was something he'd be adept at/or just has "Silvestri" written all over it.

Half the composers Joss has worked with have not evoked anything worth a toot, or at best "okay".

As for the BTVS composers:

Walter Murphy never gets movie gigs anymore (except that little animated film ay ear back which was news on the Moon only)

Christophe Beck is booked up pretty well.

Adam Feilds will never get such a gig (not reflecting his abilities, but rather Hollywood reality)

It appears Joss has never asked Thomas Wanker to do anything after two years of BTVS.

Ditto Doglas Romayne Stevens and Robert Duncan for the same reasons of Fields.

^^^ No one to ask but Beck and that's iffy at best at getting it.



Unlike some of you, I don't have to wait for a movie to come out. There are such things as trakc records, whether you want to see it or not. There are such things general output, proven abilities; and yes, there are exceptions to that on occassions. But if you think Tyler Bates is going to come out and write a striking Herrmann-esque string score, you're dead wrong. You think Hanzi Zimmer is gonna go write a lush, lyrical woodwinds Delerue score, you're on another planet.
Take Craig Armstrong, for example. "Hulk", [i]"In Time"[/b], and what I've heard about what he did do for "Clash of the Titans", there's now a track records; I'd be saying the same thing had he got it.


This film calls for certain scoring needs by the trailer and public photos released.


Maybe you can't so easily spot things, but I can probably ramble off a dozen or two films from the last few years I knew were gonna blow and DID.

Good thing you werent around when JW started.

[Matt C]

Sometimes track records speak for themselves. I was right about "The A-Team" (though I hoped for the best), "G.I. Joe" and "Captain America".
[...]

Maybe you can't so easily spot things, but I can probably ramble off a dozen or two films from the last few years I knew were gonna blow and DID.

Well, glad to know your ESP is in working order. I love how you're such a debbie downer when it comes to films like The Avengers. But I stand by what I said -- wait until the film or score comes out (whichever comes first) before saying things like these.

As for the Buffy situation, I was referring to the more dramatic and serious moments of the show (mostly scored by Beck and Duncan). It would be nice to see someone like David Newman get a crack at something like The Avengers, but that's not the case now. Be glad Zimmer or his cronies didn't get this assignment.

[lonzoe]

Not blown away by this. His CATFA score was good but could' ve been a lot better. It was mostly leftovers of his GIJOE score. The CA march and the action music is the main thing his CA:TFA score has going for it. Not to mention Peggy, the Red Skull, Hydra, the Howling Commandos, and the Cosmic Cube all lacked themes. The score lacked that 40s serials ( excluding the March and Menken's Star Spangled Man) sound that Shearmur's Sky Captain and TWOT (which is also a better score) Horner's The Rocketeer ( another better score) and Williams' first three Indy scores (also better but that goes without saying) I know all those films took place in the mid to late 30s. But still. I hope his Avengers score won't sit up there with his three other missed opportunities (GIJOE, A-team, CA:TFA). But I have a strange feeling it will.

[BloodBoal]

Silvestri speaks!

And here is a comment below the article that drew my attention:

As a composer myself, it would be cool to hear a different theme for each hero, but when each characters themes are blended, it's the theme for the team as a whole.
Example:Hulk has this heartbeat type beat on a timpone(bum bum bum)
Cap has his patriotic horn section(da da da, da da da)
Iron Man has a gritty metal guitar riff(chug chug, chugga chugga chug)
Thor has an Asgardian string section(la,lala,lalala,la,la)
Widow has a hard snare and toms accenting her ass swaying(boom pop boom pop)
Fury's just hollering different stuff(yeah,what,muthafugga)
And Hawkeye has a popping bass line(bow bow ba ba thwap thwap)

This guy makes Chaac's "dadadadas" look like something from the past.

[Incanus]

Silvestri speaks!

And here is a comment below the article that drew my attention:

As a composer myself, it would be cool to hear a different theme for each hero, but when each characters themes are blended, it's the theme for the team as a whole.
Example:Hulk has this heartbeat type beat on a timpone(bum bum bum)
Cap has his patriotic horn section(da da da, da da da)
Iron Man has a gritty metal guitar riff(chug chug, chugga chugga chug)
Thor has an Asgardian string section(la,lala,lalala,la,la)
Widow has a hard snare and toms accenting her ass swaying(boom pop boom pop)
Fury's just hollering different stuff(yeah,what,muthafugga)
And Hawkeye has a popping bass line(bow bow ba ba thwap thwap)

This guy makes Chaac's "dadadadas" look like something from the past.

Nice that this guys would give a thematic idea for Scarlett Johansson's ass. Inspiration right there!

[BloodBoal]

Some new cool ugly Avengers banners

[Jason LeBlanc]

Not showing up for me

[BloodBoal]

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