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New Varese Star Trek the Deluxe Edition!
Started by Mark Olivarez, May 31 2010 07:04 AM
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:03 AM
Of course 
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:10 AM
Seriously ,how does something like that come out 1 year after the movie? Where's all that re-use fee ,rights crap that tangle up every single Williams releases?
Most Williams releases that haven't already been done don't have the commercial appeal of a release like this. And the ones that do aren't held up by reuse fees, they're held up by LFL.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:11 AM
Regarding the completeness issue, I still think there's at least a LITTLE material missing, but the vast majority of the score proper seems to be represented.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:12 AM
Why even bitch about it? If you're not interested don't buy it. Just because it's not Spartacus or a Williams release, heaven forbid! Quit pissing on everyone else' enjoyment.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:15 AM
Woah! Totally shocking news! Couple of points:
-I have no idea why they called the first track "Star Trek" instead of "Narada Bing" - odd.
-This release is definitely not complete
-I don't get at ALL why they are giving us the final film version Main Titles (which are just an edit of Enterprising Young Men) instead of one of Giacchino's two original main titles - makes no sense!
- A lot of the other track times are quite confusing... Hopefully they didn't place random inserts or alternates in the middle of other tracks!
Despite my concerns, an instant order of course
-I have no idea why they called the first track "Star Trek" instead of "Narada Bing" - odd.
-This release is definitely not complete
-I don't get at ALL why they are giving us the final film version Main Titles (which are just an edit of Enterprising Young Men) instead of one of Giacchino's two original main titles - makes no sense!
- A lot of the other track times are quite confusing... Hopefully they didn't place random inserts or alternates in the middle of other tracks!
Despite my concerns, an instant order of course
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:17 AM
Ha ha, trust KM to put a downer on this by somehow linking it to unreleased Williams music.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:18 AM
Seriously ,how does something like that come out 1 year after the movie? Where's all that re-use fee ,rights crap that tangle up every single Williams releases?
Most Williams releases that haven't already been done don't have the commercial appeal of a release like this. And the ones that do aren't held up by reuse fees, they're held up by LFL.
riiiight, your telling me this Star Trek score has more commercial appeal than Harry Potter. Your kidding me.
Right now I think it does. Huge hit, reinvigorated a stagnating franchise, and by a recent Oscar-winning composer. Plus, it's Star Trek. That on its own is a forty year-old built in audience.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:19 AM
I'll wait for initial comments to make up my mind.
Karol - who is definitely not in love with this score (it might change though).
Karol - who is definitely not in love with this score (it might change though).
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:19 AM
Ha ha, trust KM to put a downer on this by somehow linking it to unreleased Williams music.
You're a bitter man, Mark!
Indeed Quint. KM if you wanna bitch about the release go do it on FSM and quit pissin' on everyone else' enjoyment here. Just because it's not a Williams release or Spartacus you get up in arms over it and think it's a waste or shit. You're almost as bad as Thor.
Edit: Guys just wait until we have the score in hand to judge whether or not it's complete. We can't say for certain it's all pure speculation at this point.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:20 AM
A lot of the other track times are quite confusing... Hopefully they didn't place random inserts or alternates in the middle of other tracks!
I'm guessing not - that doesn't seem to be the M.O. with Giacchino releases, and these cues easily could have been longer than what was heard in the film. Some of them we already knew were missing material (e.g. "Trekking Down the Narada").
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:25 AM
Thank goodness for the ignore function.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:31 AM
Fine.I'll just remove my comments .Sorry. You guys enjoy it. I'll go complain about the shoddy 3 c.d. release of Williams concert music in the other thread instead
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:33 AM
To KM for nay-saying, or to those who responded to the nay-saying with name-calling, you decide! Personally, I just wanted an excuse to use the graphic...
But for my two cents, this is a terrifically exciting release!
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:37 AM
Glad you got your excuse, 'coz I've always got time for images of Hoffman's Hook.
EDIT: Oh, and Hoskins' Smee.
EDIT: Oh, and Hoskins' Smee.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:12 AM
Wow, came out of left field! Kudos to Varèse for releasing this.
Except for two things:
- Why as a Deluxe Edition? This doesn't cost me 30 dollars, but 37 + 8 or 9 or more dollars shipping costs (because Varèse doesn't give discount to other retailers + can't order from VS itself because of customs). It's a bit much.
and this:
Except for two things:
- Why as a Deluxe Edition? This doesn't cost me 30 dollars, but 37 + 8 or 9 or more dollars shipping costs (because Varèse doesn't give discount to other retailers + can't order from VS itself because of customs). It's a bit much.
and this:
-I don't get at ALL why they are giving us the final film version Main Titles (which are just an edit of Enterprising Young Men) instead of one of Giacchino's two original main titles - makes no sense!
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:16 AM
When I saw the title of this topic, I instantly assumed it was Goldsmith's score, and prepared myself to read an onslaught of "wow, the whole score, finally!!!!" and being generally uninterested.
But this is a most pleasant surprise - definitely buying it. What makes me happier actually is that the idea of releasing limited quantities of current scores has been realised. Of course, it's for a mega-blockbuster, but it means the union is willing to negotiate.
Complete? Well the film wasn't that long that I recall, and there was lots of tracking, plus Giacchino has said himself that he hopes Varese could release the full score sometime, so there's a good bet. Luckily, I've only seen the film once and wouldn't notice anything missing
Way better idea than a vol 2 as well. We don't need to resequence anything or (hopefully) deal with alternates. Will definitely be renaming these track titles to something more sensible however..
You've just had Black Sunday and The Poseidon Adventure. Go sit in the corner and listen to them, and let every other, positive, contributor to this thread enjoy this release. I mean FFS, if it ain't JW, you don't want it to happen do you?
But this is a most pleasant surprise - definitely buying it. What makes me happier actually is that the idea of releasing limited quantities of current scores has been realised. Of course, it's for a mega-blockbuster, but it means the union is willing to negotiate.
Complete? Well the film wasn't that long that I recall, and there was lots of tracking, plus Giacchino has said himself that he hopes Varese could release the full score sometime, so there's a good bet. Luckily, I've only seen the film once and wouldn't notice anything missing
Way better idea than a vol 2 as well. We don't need to resequence anything or (hopefully) deal with alternates. Will definitely be renaming these track titles to something more sensible however..
Seriously ,how does something like that come out 1 year after the movie? Where's all that re-use fee ,rights crap that tangle up every single Williams releases?
You've just had Black Sunday and The Poseidon Adventure. Go sit in the corner and listen to them, and let every other, positive, contributor to this thread enjoy this release. I mean FFS, if it ain't JW, you don't want it to happen do you?
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:12 PM
Does anyone know if moviemusic.com puts a different amount on the package to avoid customs?
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:12 PM
YEEEEEEEEEPEEE!
OMG
40 € at colosseum...
And it is limited (eeeeek)
OMG
40 € at colosseum...And it is limited (eeeeek)
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:16 PM
I generally find that Colosseum's prices for the disc on its own are more expensive than ordering from Varese direct including shipping.
With STIII and my lady's birthday next month, it's unlikely I'll be able to get this right away, but I'm wary of it selling out quickly.
With STIII and my lady's birthday next month, it's unlikely I'll be able to get this right away, but I'm wary of it selling out quickly.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:18 PM
Yay! The action music can get a little interminable and there's too much reliance on the main theme, but this is a score with a lot of heart. And a lot of unreleased music. Instant buy.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:21 PM
Woot! Very nice to wake up to this though I regret not staying up yesterday - had two hours to go before the sleepy hit.
Also picked up Freud too. Can't wait for them both!
Also picked up Freud too. Can't wait for them both!
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:48 PM
I didn't bother staying up or rising early - I've lost track of when Varese announces their stuff. That and, I never imagined it would be something modern.
Yeah, some 'convenience' that is
One batch last year, I had inaccurate hopes for one particular title, and registered at Coliseum. That's when I realised it's actually cheaper to buy direct from Varese than it is to order from Europe. Whether it's a true reflection of costs or just an attempt to make a bit more money, it doesn't really work.
OMG
And it is limited (eeeeek)
Yeah, some 'convenience' that is
One batch last year, I had inaccurate hopes for one particular title, and registered at Coliseum. That's when I realised it's actually cheaper to buy direct from Varese than it is to order from Europe. Whether it's a true reflection of costs or just an attempt to make a bit more money, it doesn't really work.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 01:10 PM
It is shocking that I have ordered 2 Trek movie scores in 2 days.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 01:28 PM
Yes! Well, two in a week for me.It is shocking that I have ordered 2 Trek movie scores in 2 days.
Wonderful news, glad to see the rumors were true after all. This could turn out to be the Year of Star Trek. Ordered.
Anyone know why SAE is selling it for 7 bucks more than Varese?
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:03 PM
I ordered two Star Trek scores in less than 2 hours!It is shocking that I have ordered 2 Trek movie scores in 2 days.
Varèse doesn't give discount on their Club releases, so they are always $ 5,- or more cheaper at Varèse than at other retailers.Anyone know why SAE is selling it for 7 bucks more than Varese?
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:05 PM
Pass. I thought it was something else.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:23 PM
The FSM thread on this makes me glad I spend 90% of my time posting here.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:31 PM
Great news for all the fans of this score. I might actually even be tempted to buy this.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:38 PM
Well this isn't one of my most-wanted scores, but I do play the OST quite a lot and I know there's loads of good unreleased stuff. I'm confident enough to buy it.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 02:53 PM
I ordered. I'm not in LOVE with this score, but I do like it. But I am always open to an expanded release re-shaping my impressions of a score. Plus I'm a Trek completist.
But sadly, I put off ordering ST III, a score I enjoy waaaay more, because it's unlimited.
As for the "Blu Ray sized packaging", I do hope that Varese never does weird packaging again after all the complaints. No one, and I mean no one, likes sore thumbs sticking out on the CD shelf. I appreciate that they wanted to do something special, but they should stay within the dimensions of a standard case.
But sadly, I put off ordering ST III, a score I enjoy waaaay more, because it's unlimited.
As for the "Blu Ray sized packaging", I do hope that Varese never does weird packaging again after all the complaints. No one, and I mean no one, likes sore thumbs sticking out on the CD shelf. I appreciate that they wanted to do something special, but they should stay within the dimensions of a standard case.
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Holy effing SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!
ORDERED !!!!
ORDERED !!!!
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 03:57 PM
I would rather die in agony than order this!
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:04 PM
You got it.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:05 PM
You've just had Black Sunday and The Poseidon Adventure. Go sit in the corner and listen to them, and let every other, positive, contributor to this thread enjoy this release. I mean FFS, if it ain't JW, you don't want it to happen do you?
Actually ,Poseidon Adventure is part of the problem. We don't get new stuff, just the same old stuff that sounds a bit better. Mainly bought it for completeness sake
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:15 PM
New stuff? The man doesn't write new stuff. That's not a "problem," it's just the way things are.
What of his more recent scores -- aside from the Potters -- are popular enough to warrant expanded releases?
What of his more recent scores -- aside from the Potters -- are popular enough to warrant expanded releases?
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 04:17 PM
I'm surprised Harry Potter hasn't been expanded yet, via iTunes exclusive tracks or anything like that. Even a kind of sampler CD containing bonus tracks from all the different scores. By their very nature, all the Harry Potter soundtracks have been very popular and are prime for complete/expanded releases. I'm hopeful we'll get them.
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