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#41 Wojo

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 12:42 PM

I surmise that the target audience of the bundle purchase are the airplane enthusiasts who frequent that site, who really want the HD videos, and their children who want cool posters for their bedroom.

We as soundtrack nuts are spoiled with our specialty label albums and our iTunes, so we cry foul at two tracks for $25, when that is really only a piece of the pie.

Plus, I'm guessing that commissioning Horner to write that music wasn't cheap, hence the "inflated" price for 16 minutes or so of music. Now if his payment was getting to fly a Mustang, and he didn't charge them for his composing/conducting time, then this is just a profit gesture. Would they make more money if they charged a low price for a lot of people to buy, versus a high price for a few people to buy? I'm not sure. You'd think that individual releases would sell well, riding on the coattails of Avatar's popularity.

That being said, I am unsure as to whether I will buy this. I haven't listened to it yet.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 02:11 PM

Well considering that's probably what one would pay for a DVD release, plus postage, then it doesn't seem so high. I was under the impression, based on comments at FSM, that the music would be available separately for download.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:41 PM

Is anyone else really bugged by their phrase "The Horsemen Cometh"? Horsemen is a plural word. You can't use Cometh with that. It just looks and sounds ridiculous.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:04 PM

I'm working on it right now.
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:37 PM

Flight Demonstration Music is already one of my favourite Horner pieces. Kicks Ass of anything in Avatar

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 12:27 PM

Is anyone else really bugged by their phrase "The Horsemen Cometh"? Horsemen is a plural word. You can't use Cometh with that. It just looks and sounds ridiculous.


com·eth

–verb Archaic .
3rd pers. sing. pres. indic. of come.

D'oh. And it's not even like they use "horsemen" as a singular plural word, like you can see "they were a proud people" or "their peoples were starving." The first sentence at the link in post 1 says "The Horsemen love searching the skies for tiny suspended moments of formation perfection."

Maybe they named the track in Engrish?

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:00 PM

Here's a better quality clip of it


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Posted 24 June 2010 - 10:03 PM

Sounds good. I'll download/buy this sometime later.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 10:08 PM

I like it.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 11:24 AM

If anyone wants it, private message me.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 05:49 PM

So I was reading that the 192k MP3's are just audio rips of the videos...is it possible that if you rip the audio from the videos in 320k you'd get better quality files?

It depends what the actual bitrate of audio file to the videos is though, like if they're loss less or something

Not that there's anything wrong with the MP3's but 192k is bare minimum

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:28 PM

192K works for me as long as the music is audible. It's perfect for me anyhow.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 11:44 PM

There's nothing wrong with the MP3's. I was just asking a theoretical question about the audio quality of the videos

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:53 AM

So are the MP3's you would buy just the audio portion of the videos, or are they the background music that the videos use?

I'm watching the 7:39 video with James Horner talking about flying and writing, and I certainly would NOT want to hear him talking about the music each time that I listen to the piece.

And there's no way to rip James Horner's loud vocals from these videos without compromising the much more subdued music behind it all.

It's a good piece of music. Pretty damn good.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 06:03 AM

No no, there's no voices in there

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:23 PM

Then the music isn't from the free videos you watch at ASB's website, which I could only download by parsing Vimeo links through the ConvertIt FireFox plugin.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:35 PM

Then the music isn't from the free videos you watch at ASB's website, which I could only download by parsing Vimeo links through the ConvertIt FireFox plugin.



If you buy the package you get the music only tracks as well.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:48 PM

I realize that now.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:53 PM

OK.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:54 PM

I'm mulling it over.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:20 PM

I finally listened to the pieces over the weekend. Nice enough music. Still prefer his actual film scores to it.

Definitely not worth $25. They should sell them on itunes for 99cents each.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:40 PM

It's a really nice piece, but I find it drags a bit after a while. It stresses a bit too much the same ideas over and over. It could have been a 6 or 7 minute piece.

However, it's a showcase piece, so it fulfills its duty. Personally, I dig those great horn textures that open the piece.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:41 PM

Yeah it could have been a bit shorter but it's nice to know Horner still has those abilities in him when he's truly inspired or has the freedom to compose what he feels.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:41 PM

I'm really loving it. It reminds me of Goldsmith's "Soarin."

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 12:05 PM

According to the video that James Horner narrates at the ASB site itself, he wrote the music as if it could accompany an air show of the Mustangs. I wouldn't want to see a 6 or 7 minute choreographed performance, I'd want something closer to a half hour. Its final length is a decent compromise.

It's film scoring in reverse.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 03:29 PM

It's long but no dead spots

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 01:49 PM

Completely off topic, but the implications of Back to the Future: Part II's 2015 are inching ever closer!

http://buzz.yahoo.co...zlog/93804?fp=1

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:10 PM

You can now find a 12 minute suit of Horner's music for the "Horsemen" on iTunes. There are 2 tracks, a 4 minute track and a 12 minute suite. I suggest you buy the 12 minute suite called Write Your Soul.

Truly some fantastic music of the old Horner that I personally love. Of course, you will hear tons of Hornerisms in it, its still pretty awesome.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:22 PM

This was released some time ago...

or maybe it was not a itunes thing yet...
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:25 PM

It was released a while ago but they've only released a cheaper iTunes alternative recently, just thought I'd point it out.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:18 PM

Great news!
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:21 PM

Finally a reasonable price.

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