#3321
Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:42 PM
A very unique score in Danny's career and extremely rewarding in the long run. In fact one of his best. A clash his trademark sad melancholic style filtered through mechanical Glass-like techniques gives me chills. There is something unsettling about this combination, especially coupled with the subject matter of this film.
Karol
#3322
Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:50 PM
Just delightfully, over-the-top swashbuckling music. The 2-CD complete score is a bit too much, but the quality of music is superlative. I can't believe the idiotic Jerry Bruckheimer went for the RC/MV approach during post-production on the first Pirates of the Caribbean and got rid of someone like Silvestri, who would've done gangbusters during his early 2001-2003 output (who is pretty equal to Debney in terms of overall output).
I think with some judicious editing, you can probably cut in Debney's score in Curse of the Black Pearl and it would sound so much better.
#3323
Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:40 PM
#3324
Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:23 PM
John Williams sucks, he doesn't write with a quill pen, there is no emotion in pencil music ! Purcell is the man !Among all the things I have done in my short and pitiful life, becoming an inside joke on JWFAN is the one I'm the least proud of.
#3325
Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:26 PM
AMAZING!

Human aggression is instinctual. Humans have not evolved any ritualised aggression-inhibiting mechanisms to ensure the survival of the species. For this reason man is considered a very dangerous animal.
-- Konrad Lorenz
#3326
Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:47 PM
The main theme is sheer beauty, everything else is good -- but I can't get enough of that theme. Those silky woodwinds, the seductive celli... Young really captured the allure of Natasha Henstridge's hybrid character.
#3327
Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:04 PM
#3328
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:19 AM
The only thing there is to say is
Karol
#3329
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:33 AM
Hoping to listen to that soon. It has received such universal praise and Waxman is the man.Taras Bulba
The only thing there is to say is
Karol
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas by Harry Gregson-Williams: One of the composer's best scores. Highly entertaining, melodic, full of sense of adventure, mix of modern and old fashioned swashbuckling and hearty themes it is a great listen from start to finish.
Kingdom of Heaven by Harry Gregson-Williams: Completely opposite of Sinbad, this score is surprisingly introspective, lyrical, exotic and ethereal for such an epic story although at times it rises to grander heights of choral and orchestra fury. The choral and soloist music is the highlight of the score, Gregson-Williams' themes building subtly through the album to reach a subdued but satisfying finale. One thing I missed was a real sense of the orchestra and its scope, the recording and orchestration somehow diminishing the sheer size of the ensemble to an astonishing degree. Still without a doubt one of the career highlights of HGW, a truly effective blend of epic and intimate, orchestral and ethnic.
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
#3330
Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:19 PM
The Wildest Dream Imax score by Joel Douek
Discovered some time ago, and gave it a full listen yesterday - it's a very impressive, mostly orchestral score with a solid theme, and some very rich orchestration, particularly for strings. It has the usual cliches you'd expect for an Imax film about Everest, but it pulls them off effortlessly.
It's one of those scores where the guy easily has the talent to do a major mainstream film.
#3331
Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:29 PM
Izena duen guztia omen da.
#3332
Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:35 PM
I used to listen to Kingdom of Heaven again and again, playing strategy games lol
Which strategy games? Age Of Empires? Pfff, how original!
BloodBoal - who used to do the same, but with Gladiator score.
#3333
Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:46 PM
I used to listen to Kingdom of Heaven again and again, playing strategy games lol
Which strategy games? Age Of Empires? Pfff, how original!
BloodBoal - who used to do the same, but with Gladiator score.
When I would play AOE2 with the guys on my dorm floor in college in competitive matches, they would explicitly bar me form playing as the Spanish because the conquistador unit made the game so unbalanced.
Then again, I had no strategy for the Franks, who could build castles for like half the stone.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
#3334
Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:04 PM
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
#3335
Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:20 PM
#3336
Posted 11 May 2012 - 04:00 PM
Standard Operating Procedure by Danny Elfman A very unique score in Danny's career and extremely rewarding in the long run. In fact one of his best. A clash his trademark sad melancholic style filtered through mechanical Glass-like techniques gives me chills. There is something unsettling about this combination, especially coupled with the subject matter of this film. Karol
Have to admit that I've never heard this one and I'm a pretty big Elfman fan. But sounds a lot like Iris. But then thats understandable considering how Iris lifts many of the different trademark moments in Elfman's career. I'll have to check SOP out.
Music Muse Reviews: "Escape From Tomorrow by Abel Korzeniowski
#3337
Posted 11 May 2012 - 08:44 PM
I listened to Dark Shadows. Didn't finish it, as I'm really tired. The music is definitely well written, but not terribly accessible. A lot of it comprises of dark and moody Gothic horror music, which might not be the most relaxing thing. Sounds deifinitely "smaller" than most Elfman-Burton collaborations and I can't hear a really strong thematic idea in there. It's all solid but not as listenable. Will try again later.
Karol
#3338
Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:01 PM
-Angela's Ashes
-Catch Me If You Can
-War Horse
-1941
-Harry Potter and the Philosopher's (Sorcerer's) Stone
#3339
Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:02 PM
Karol
#3340
Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:33 PM
Good choices, especially the first three.
Karol
Angela's Ashes really has some gorgeous moments. There isn't another JW score like it.
#3341
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:59 PM
Good choices, especially the first three.
Karol
Angela's Ashes really has some gorgeous moments. There isn't another JW score like it.
Presumed Innocent?
I'm kidding of course, those scores are obviously radically different. With the exception of the main titles of course
Music Muse Reviews: "Escape From Tomorrow by Abel Korzeniowski
#3342
Posted 11 May 2012 - 11:05 PM
Good choices, especially the first three.
Karol
Angela's Ashes really has some gorgeous moments. There isn't another JW score like it.
Presumed Innocent?
I'm kidding of course, those scores are obviously radically different. With the exception of the main titles of course
Hmmm...I never realized that those two main melodies have some things in common. Or maybe I did, subconsciously...
#3343
Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:25 AM
Excellent selection of scores sir!I decided it was a John Williams day so today as background music to my day I listened to:
-Angela's Ashes
-Catch Me If You Can
-War Horse
-1941
-Harry Potter and the Philosopher's (Sorcerer's) Stone
Actually those two themes are not very similar and the similarities are very superficial. I think it has to do with the form and contour of the opening of both themes not the exact melodic content.
Good choices, especially the first three.
Karol
Angela's Ashes really has some gorgeous moments. There isn't another JW score like it.
Presumed Innocent?
I'm kidding of course, those scores are obviously radically different. With the exception of the main titles of course
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
#3344
Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:26 AM
I recently learned that it's actually a track from a sample library, Vangelis just uses it straight without adding or changing anything, but it can be heard in many places. The Bourne Identity is the first score I know of, then it can be found in Gregson-Williams' Man On Fire, and some TV shows. I know for certain it's in Dual Survival. I remember listening to Alexander for the first time and going "Whaaaaa??"Oh noes! Vangelis has had temp trackitis!
I'm listening to it for the second time right now. I had the same reactions upon my first listen. It's very atmospheric, no themes that I picked up on. Quite different for a Burton film.I listened to Dark Shadows. Didn't finish it, as I'm really tired. The music is definitely well written, but not terribly accessible. A lot of it comprises of dark and moody Gothic horror music, which might not be the most relaxing thing. Sounds deifinitely "smaller" than most Elfman-Burton collaborations and I can't hear a really strong thematic idea in there. It's all solid but not as listenable. Will try again later.
Karol
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
#3345
Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:57 AM
Actually those two themes are not very similar and the similarities are very superficial. I think it has to do with the form and contour of the opening of both themes not the exact melodic content.
Presumed Innocent?
Angela's Ashes really has some gorgeous moments. There isn't another JW score like it.Good choices, especially the first three. Karol
I'm kidding of course, those scores are obviously radically different. With the exception of the main titles of course
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My comments were made in jest. The themes are different indeed, but as you said, the piano openings are similar in structure and tone. That's what I pointed at for an attempt at a joke.
But the scores couldn't be more different. Those scores couldn't really be compared. Thus, my comment was never meant to be taken seriously
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#3346
Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:06 AM
I'm listening to it for the second time right now. I had the same reactions upon my first listen. It's very atmospheric, no themes that I picked up on. Quite different for a Burton film.
That's usually a good sign. Scores like this often rule at the end of the year.
#3347
Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:15 AM
Or they suffer the fate of some of the obvious accessible scores and fall into obscurity. But it is true that discovering some music takes a good while and open ears rather than casual listen scanning for ear pleasing highlights.
I'm listening to it for the second time right now. I had the same reactions upon my first listen. It's very atmospheric, no themes that I picked up on. Quite different for a Burton film.
That's usually a good sign. Scores like this often rule at the end of the year.
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
#3348
Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:42 AM

On Spotify: Elfman's new foray into the now abundantly musty smelling Gothic-garden of Tim Burton On first listening it's lean and mean stuff, thematically condensed down to the essentials.The main thematic idea is a flexible fateful five-note motif, very cleverly varied.Otherwise mysterious, well-orchestrated suspense scoring dominates(70's Alto flutes.. i like!).Every now and then, Elfman gets carried away with quite harsh synth effects,which, although well done, are not quite fitting with the rest.It sounds as if someone forced Elfman to add some artificially funky effects so that the audience gets it that they're watching some postmodern mayhem and not Burton's latest badly-scripted clunker.
Not world-shattering, but respectable. 3 of 5.
#3349
Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:07 AM
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
#3350
Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:47 PM
That more or less sums up my feeling so far.
On Spotify: Elfman's new foray into the now abundantly musty smelling Gothic-garden of Tim Burton On first listening it's lean and mean stuff, thematically condensed down to the essentials.The main thematic idea is a flexible fateful five-note motif, very cleverly varied.Otherwise mysterious, well-orchestrated suspense scoring dominates(70's Alto flutes.. i like!).Every now and then, Elfman gets carried away with quite harsh synth effects,which, although well done, are not quite fitting with the rest.It sounds as if someone forced Elfman to add some artificially funky effects so that the audience gets it that they're watching some postmodern mayhem and not Burton's latest badly-scripted clunker.
Not world-shattering, but respectable. 3 of 5.
Karol
#3351
Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:55 PM
- George Lucas
#3352
Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:24 PM
Karol
#3354
Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:50 PM
Maybe we could have a non-film music thread and have this only for film scores? There's a lot of classical music I would enjoy commenting
Izena duen guztia omen da.
#3355
Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:45 PM
peer gynt - grieg
ahh... pure brilliance from beginning to end.
Who's with JW in the photo? I recognize JNH, but the other guys..?
#3356
Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:00 PM
I listened to that a lot years ago. I mean a lot.
Maybe we could have a non-film music thread and have this only for film scores? There's a lot of classical music I would enjoy commenting
I remember seeing an official classical music thread somewhere... but yeah, it'd be nice with a thread like this but for all other music genres (or just classical)!
Who's with JW in the photo? I recognize JNH, but the other guys..?
jnh, newman, debney, kaczmarek and williams. not a big kaczmarek fan though.
Who are the people in your picture? I recognize J.W., and J.N.H., but who are the other guys?
#3357
Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:12 PM
#3358
Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:27 PM
Ta for that. Do you know where/when the picture was taken?
it was taken in 2005 at a reception hosted by the society of composers and lyricist.
Yesterday the Society of Composers and Lyricist hosted their annual reception to honor the Academy Award nominees in the music categories. Held at the Beverly Hills home of John Cacavas, in attendence to celebrate were many members of the SCL. Composers like Charles Bernstein, Bruce Broughton, Vic Mizzy, John Ottman, Terence Blanchard, and more were on hand to congratulate their peers for their nomination by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
http://www.soundtrack.net/content/article/?id=139
#3359
Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:12 PM
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
#3360
Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:20 PM
Such a rich, beautiful score. Not just the solo harmonica that made "Something Wicked" a treat, but he captures the soulful innocence and determination of Natty herself through the music. Very emotional and satisfying... this might surpass Horner's Something Wicked This Way Comes and Krull as my favorite early 1980s Horner score.
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