paleo 63 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Okay, if this is correct, the alleged track titles of the CD would also be correct, since they are directly derived from this list (apparently). The cue list seems quite helpful to determine what the CD track titles refer to... and what bits are unscored/omitted from the CD. Most interesting are the last 3 cues - marked with (J. W.). This clearly refers to John Williams... so did he write these, to end the saga? Or do the cues contain his themes (that would be a pity - only 3 tracks with Williams' material (actually apparently less - patch/pickup))? Is Desplat known to have such haphazard cue titles (in poor English)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Yeah, the track list I posted is real. A Harry Potter fansite apparently confirmed it with Warner Bros: http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/confirmed-deathly-hallows-part-ii-original-soundtrack-track-list-and-timings-82216/Also that cue list, could the cues with JW next to them be tracked music from earlier films? "Boys Receive Detention" sounds like something from film 1 or 2, and I don't see how that title could fit in this film at all, even in a metaphorical sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thanks very much for that cue list, Phoenix! You wouldn't happen to have one for Part 1 too, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIX 34 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thanks very much for that cue list, Phoenix! You wouldn't happen to have one for Part 1 too, would you?Sure, I'll sort it out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Great, looking forward to it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIX 34 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Great, looking forward to it. Thanks!Here it is.HP 7 PART 1 - CUE LIST 1M2 – SCRIMGEOUR SPEECH1M3 – HERMIONE OBLIVIATES HER PARENTS1M4 – SNAPE TO MALFOY MANOR1M5 – VOLDEMORT1M6 – HARRY’S CLOSET AND POLYJUICE2M7 PT 1– TAKING OFF / SKY BATTLE2M7 PT 2 – SKY BATTLE2M7 PT3 – SKY BATTLE Pt 32M8 – LANDING AT BURROWS2M8 EDIT – LANDING AT BURROWS2M11 – HARRY TRIES TO LEAVE2M12 – HEADLINES + KISS2M14 – TENT UP – SCRIMGEOUR ARRIVES2M15 - WILL READING2M18 – WEDDING CONVERSATION Part 2 2M19 – WEDDING ATTACK2M19 – (New)3M24 – CAFE OBLIVIATION3M25 – GRIMMAULD PLACE3M27 SIRIUS’S ROOM3M29 – KREACHER & THE LOCKET3M30-31-32 – DEATHEATER SEARCHING3M34 – KREACHER, DOBBY AND MUNDUNGUS3M38 – INTO THE MINISTRY OF MAGIC4M41 – THE DETONATORS4M43 – THE COURTROOM4M44 – ESCAPING WITH THE LOCKET4M45 HEADING FOR THE FIREPLACES4M45A – TWISTER4M46 – THE LOCKET4M48 – SCABIOR SMELLS HERMIONE4M48 – Part 1 – RADIO + HERMIONE4M49 – EXODUS5M49A – RON’S JEALOUSY / TRAVELLING MONTAGE 15M50 Pt1 – RON SNAPS5M51 – RON LEAVES5M51 – TRAVELLING MONTAGE (n.b. this does have same cue number as previous)5M53 – ON THE ROCKS5m55 – THE GRAVEYARD6M56 – BATHILDA BAGSHOT6M57 – NAGINI THE SNAKE6M59 – HERMIONE’S PARENTS / PATRONUS6M60 – THE SWORD OF GRYFFINDOR6M61 – RON’S RETURN6M62 – DESTROYING THE LOCKET6M62 Part 1NEW – DESTROYING THE LOCKET6M63 – RON’S SPEECH7M65 – XENOPHILIUS LOVEGOOD7M68 – THE DEATHLY HALLOWS7M69 – LEAVING THE LOVEGOOD’S7M70 – SNATCHER’S CHASE7M72 – SCABIOR SPOTS HARRY7M73 – HARRY TO MALFOY’S MANOR8M74 – DRACO – HARRY – SWORD – BELLATRIX8M75 – HERMIONE TORTURED8M76 – DOBBY APPEARS8M77 PT1 – HARRY & RON TO THE RESCUE Part 18M77 PT2 – HARRY & RON TO THE RESCUE Part 28M79 – DOBBY DIES8M80 – HARRY BURIES DOBBY8M81 – THE ELDER WAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Excellent! Many, many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 9M2 – OPENING – DUMBLEDORE & HARRY (J.W.)9M2 – (patch) LEAVING HOGWARTS (J.W.)9M2 – (pickup) LEAVING HOWARTS (J.W.)If this is an accurate cue listing, I will be very pleased to hear Leaving Hogwarts during the 19 Years Later epilogue - I think it would fit perfectly. Incidentally, what would Dumbledore & Harry be tracked from? I'm not familiar with cue titles. that cue list, could the cues with JW next to them be tracked music from earlier films? "Boys Receive Detention" sounds like something from film 1 or 2, and I don't see how that title could fit in this film at all, even in a metaphorical sense...I think you're right that it must be tracked from earlier films. Although the title doesn't fit movie 8, there is a part in the book where Harry is caught by a couple of Death Eater staff in the castle, which would fit metaphorically with earlier detention music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 So Williams might actually have returned... just not the way we were all hoping for ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIX 34 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 9M2 – OPENING – DUMBLEDORE & HARRY (J.W.)9M2 – (patch) LEAVING HOGWARTS (J.W.)9M2 – (pickup) LEAVING HOWARTS (J.W.)If this is an accurate cue listing, I will be very pleased to hear Leaving Hogwarts during the 19 Years Later epilogue - I think it would fit perfectly. Incidentally, what would Dumbledore & Harry be tracked from? I'm not familiar with cue titles. that cue list, could the cues with JW next to them be tracked music from earlier films? "Boys Receive Detention" sounds like something from film 1 or 2, and I don't see how that title could fit in this film at all, even in a metaphorical sense...I think you're right that it must be tracked from earlier films. Although the title doesn't fit movie 8, there is a part in the book where Harry is caught by a couple of Death Eater staff in the castle, which would fit metaphorically with earlier detention music.I just checked the on the 2M6 'Boys Recieve Detention'cue - it is the cue from Chamber of Secrets which they've used. I presume they may have re-recorded it as it has been re-prepared and titled as a HP7 Pt 2 cue.The 3 x 9m2 cues are all shortish cues that have also been re-prepared (2 of them orchestrated by Conrad Pope, the other just noted as John Williams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hmmm... I wonder which part of the movie exactly in COS that the "boys receive detention" is from? I remember Harry having detention with Lockhart, but that's it. And I wonder why that cue... hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 What about the cue from the first film, before they go to the dark forest? Isn't it called "Detention"?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIX 34 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hmmm... I wonder which part of the movie exactly in COS that the "boys receive detention" is from? I remember Harry having detention with Lockhart, but that's it. And I wonder why that cue... hmm...Also just checked '9m2 - Dumbledore and Harry' - is also from Chamber of Secrets (same cue number and title) - so it looks like exact cues have just been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 9M2 – OPENING – DUMBLEDORE & HARRY (J.W.)9M2 – (patch) LEAVING HOGWARTS (J.W.)9M2 – (pickup) LEAVING HOWARTS (J.W.)If this is an accurate cue listing, I will be very pleased to hear Leaving Hogwarts during the 19 Years Later epilogue - I think it would fit perfectly.Totes called it! I've been saying "Leaving Hogwarts" would work perfectly ever since I read the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hmmm... I wonder which part of the movie exactly in COS that the "boys receive detention" is from? I remember Harry having detention with Lockhart, but that's it. And I wonder why that cue... hmm...It could be when McGonnagal gives them detention for crashing the car into the Whomping Willow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thanks Phoenix. I have a few questions:- not entirely sure if I understood correctly: are these 4 cues tracked from Chamber of Secrets, or have they been rerecorded by Desplat? I'd be somewhat disappointed if the finale contained tracked music - hoping for a rerecording myself!- what does 'patch' and 'pickup' mean?- about the HP 7.1 cuelist: I can't seem to find the source cue "My Love Is Always Here" (that was in the Deluxe package) on it - have I overlooked it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Tracking music into the Harry Potter finale ... I mean, people, I was prepared for a lot, but taking some, pardon me, secondary cues from Chamber Of Secrets and plastering them onto there, that leaves me just amazed in the most negative way.I can understand a certain metaphor when "Leaving Hogwarts" is used, but the rest?While they're re-recording stuff for DH Part 2, why don't they just bring William Ross on board for adapting and get it over with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Maybe John Williams came aboard and composed three cues?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Maybe Williams didn't want to and this was their next best option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 NEW TRAILER. OH MY GOODNESSSSSSSSS.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZWIUy-mnM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Maybe Williams didn't want to and this was their next best option?I just wanted to ignite some false hope so I can later watch how a couple hundred of people in this world (who actually care) get disappointed. I am a bad person indeed. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I actually expected no Williams material in part 2, except for Hedwigs Theme in the epilogue, and actually thought this would be the worst possible way to end the series.Never in my dreams did I think both Yates and Desplat would resort to cheap tracking. I mean, I am a Williams fan, I want Williams music in the Harry Potter finale, but I am first and foremost a film music fan.And as a film music fan, I have to shout: if you rat b*stards won't bring original Williams music, or use Williams' themes in the film, at least have the decency to try and come up with some awesome original music instead of using the cheapest sort of tracking!WTF are they thinking? Shades of George Lucas?NEW TRAILER. OH MY GOODNESSSSSSSSS.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZWIUy-mnMNever in a million years will non-book readers understand why the Elder Wand kills Voldemort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 - what does 'patch' and 'pickup' mean?And also "motor", as in "(Motor) Voldy's End"? Anybody who can shed some light on those terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 "Pickup" is, as I understand, an unplanned recording that was decided upon."Patch" probably means the Celeste patch used for the Leaving Hogwarts recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hey, man, it's not tracking, it's new recordings. Would you fault Williams for using the same main title music in every Star Wars? I think a glorious reprise of "Leaving Hogwarts" will jerk the tears better than any original piece. Bring it all back, remind us of our childhoods. Even if they were directed by Chris Columbus.Also, 9m2 "Opening"? Is this perhaps Hedwig's theme, just played straight? I ALSO imagined that for Harry and Dumbledore's talk. Shit, my musical instincts are right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hey, man, it's not tracking, it's new recordings. Would you fault Williams for using the same main title music in every Star Wars? No.But I would fault Williams if he intentionally used the pod race music for the Corouscant chase, which is the fitting comparison.Yates is doing exactly what Lucas gets hell for (rightfully so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I must say the trailer is terrific. The scene of the Quidditch field burning is shocking. The scene of the Lily talking to Harry is touching. If there is one constant is how annoying Voldemort's constant screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I like the tease for the resurrection stone scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 the music sounded like something lifted from Battlestar Galactica, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I think I like the previous trailer better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 It looks like any other trailer, with the same climax points, the same cheesy slogans and the same over top coral crescendos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hey, man, it's not tracking, it's new recordings. Would you fault Williams for using the same main title music in every Star Wars? No.But I would fault Williams if he intentionally used the pod race music for the Corouscant chase, which is the fitting comparison.Yates is doing exactly what Lucas gets hell for (rightfully so).But in this case there are so many parallels between the scenes. Think of it more as the sunset shot at the end of Episode III scored with "Binary Sunset." Familiar, but fitting. (And yes, I know Williams reharmonized one note. Whatever.) And really, do you think the entire 2 something minutes of "Leaving Hogwarts," precise sync points and all, will be used? You have to figure Desplat's done some adaptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Now why would you have to go and say something rational like that? You're going to ruin it for all the conspiracy theorists out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 No, I don't think Desplat has done some adaption.I think it will be a direct re-recording of the Williams pieces, just stuck on top of scenes. And it's not mainly the Leaving Hogwarts piece, but the CoS cues. I can understand why you would use one piece as a look back, but why the hell that much tracking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I haven't been to the scoring sessions, nor have I seen the film. At this point it's just cue sheet, which doesn't quite confirm anything to me. So I'll wait til the release to start criticizing stuff like that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 You mean, like, 4 minutes out of a 2 hour movie? Shit's out of control! Lazy tracking everywhere! The death of original music!I don't understand that "Boys Receive Detention" thing, but I like it just for the sheer randomness. Are they paying homage to the scene in Snape's office in CoS? Who remembers that, seriously? Whatever, I bet Desplat's doing something clever with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The John Williams music is [intended] to be played over the flashback montage of the youngins Hogwarts experience. Not new footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The John Williams music is [intended] to be played over the flashback montage of the youngins Hogwarts experience. Not new footage.If I was a composer, I'd take Williams' style and hint at that by writing in the same style, not taking a direct quote.I hate it when films make flashbacks, and use the same score from the same scene . It feels out of place, like someone didn't bother to write new music for it.Especially when it's embedded in a style that's completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 You're right. This is an outrage. The movie has just become unwatchable. Thank you for letting me know, so I can save my $6.50 on something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Pardon me for thinking about crucial artistic decisions in the finale of one of the most important film series JW, or anyone, has ever scored.I apparently made the error of thinking I was on a film music board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 No, seriously, I thank you. I was honestly interested to see this film, and now I'm honestly not. I'm not being sarcastic one bit. I think it's a bit pathetic that since John Williams is unavailable to score this most important film in the history of David Thewlis' career, using Williams music to cut and paste is just plain rude, disrespectful, and shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Are you having a good time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Dodgson! We got Dodgson here! See, nobody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 LOL. Have to love the use of a line from Jurassic Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on! .....Turn those machines back on!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 But our investors are deeply concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 See? Nobody cares.And to break off this quotefest I ask: Have we heard any of the new score yet? Do we have any idea how the possible JW material is handled? And why so serious and negative about it? Did the Part 1 score sour all hopes for some of us to have a good finale for the series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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