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[Luke Skywalker]

I want to kill George Lucas right now.

BTW, there's more...

My ears (and eyes) are bleedin'!

[Alexander]

[Luke Skywalker]

you just killed snowy

[Alexander]

Is he dead the right way in that picture? I think his legs are 1 inch off.

[Luke Skywalker]

you can bet.

[crx_brett]

Wow, none of you have sense of humors I guess. I think it's just silly fun and don't see what all the OMG comments are for. Is this any different than the SW themes getting disco versions back in the late '70s and early 80s? Or SW aliens being used in anti-drinking and driving campaigns or even being used in Richard Pryor's awful TV skit show? How's Robot Chicken that much different? Now if this were in a movie or an episode of the CW I could see the passionate disdain for such things. But it's a video game for kids for crap's sake. If anything it's a way for a younger generation to actually be introduced to SW that otherwise they may not have been interested in. SW became a money-making business for Lucas three decades ago. Remove the sticks from your behinds and your heads from your own rear's LOL

[Luke Skywalker]

if they at least danced like real men...

all the images i posted in response to the videos show some degree of sense of humour, by the way...

[crx_brett]

Yeah, they do. But the comments by some on here (not just on this topic in this thread specifically), seem to suggest the exact opposite. I guess I am just tired of the stereotypical. "OMG Lucas ruined my childhood memories" and "Lucas has lost his mind" when it reality nothing has changed but us. It was always a cash-cow even back in 1978 (Holiday Special?)

Lucas 'sold-out' the Star Wars brand a loooong time ago.

And I don't see it as 'selling-out', but I know a lot of people do.

[Luke Skywalker]

i dont think its even lucas fault...maybe he is not as in control of the merchandise as we think.

According to drew struzan (in his book 'the art of drew struzan'), Lucas had nothing to do with the awful tinkering of the EPIII poster but Lucas film art or marketing director. Lucas in fact has the unaltered real painting on his office.

[crx_brett]

That is a very good point and I guess over the year's he may have slowly lost a lot of the control he once had.

I think a lot of that may also have to do with the fact he just doesn't have the time or the drive to even care anymore. His recent comments as of late regarding SW seem to suggest that he is burned out with SW.



I need to add that I don't care for the music in any of the videos, either. But I am not bothered by the SW characters dancing like they are in a club. Honestly, I think if they were dancing to remixes of existing SW themes then the response would have been mostly positive.

[gkgyver]

I want to kill George Lucas right now.

Pick a number.

If Lucas lost control over Star Wars, complete prequels could be released in an easier way.
I think George Lucas and ironically John Williams are the worst enemies of complete, chronological scores in the world today.

No other composer in his right mind would leave scores like the prequels unreleased for that long. Or would actually remove music from the complete release of one of his most famous scores.

[Alexander]

It was a joke

[Luke Skywalker]

If Lucas lost control over Star Wars, complete prequels could be released in an easier way.

Um, his executives like in most hollywood companies, are probably morons.

[Alexander]

The BF2 version of "Zam in Pursuit" does not include the electric guitar portion (i love that by the way). Was it recorded as an insert?

[ggctuk]

I'm not sure. In some files you can hear the remnants of the guitar suggesting it was dropped out of the mix but recorded with the orchestra.

BF2's Zam In Pursuit file is, however, cut down a bit, omitting a bit of the part where the guitar would have played anyway.

[Trent Bennett]

I'm not sure. In some files you can hear the remnants of the guitar suggesting it was dropped out of the mix but recorded with the orchestra.

BF2's Zam In Pursuit file is, however, cut down a bit, omitting a bit of the part where the guitar would have played anyway.

It's not cut down. The guitar was recorded separately just like the percussion. For the game file they just decided to use the take that didn't have the guitar. Also my AOTC editing guide is right for that cue...well with that particular take.

Now grant "Zam Chase" the guitar wasn't fully eliminated in the film / game mix....it's still there but it was toned down A LOT almost to the point of being unable to hear it. Personally I prefer "Zam Chase" with the film mix and "Zam In Pursuit" with OUT the electric guitar. I hated hearing that guitar since day one.

[Alexander]

I think it's great, fits perfectly with the film. Too bad it was dropped.

Well i meant the second guitar bit. In "Zam in Pursuit", not "Zam Chase".

The BF2 version skips that part (all other instruments too).

[Luke Skywalker]

I was the first time.

but after repeated listenings, i like it. I cannot hear the version without it without feeling something is missing.

[ggctuk]

I'm not sure. In some files you can hear the remnants of the guitar suggesting it was dropped out of the mix but recorded with the orchestra.

BF2's Zam In Pursuit file is, however, cut down a bit, omitting a bit of the part where the guitar would have played anyway.

It's not cut down. The guitar was recorded separately just like the percussion. For the game file they just decided to use the take that didn't have the guitar. Also my AOTC editing guide is right for that cue...well with that particular take.

There's a section in the file that would have had the guitar, but that bit is cut down (it would coincide with the album from 5:12). Whether it's just a game edit or not, I don't know.

[gkgyver]

I really respect all of your hard work ...

But meticulously trying to piece together "Zam The Assassin" is, for me, like desperately trying to stitch together a squirrel that has been run over by a car.
It may look like a squirrel, but it's still dead and disgusting to look at.

[Luke Skywalker]

For wildlife conservation, it is more important to analyse all the dead animals found and find the cause of death than curing and releasing to the wild again an injured individual.

This way, you can analyse the data and find dark spots in fences, roads, electric cables, hunting grounds etc. You can save more animals fixxing these.


Vet tip of the day

[ggctuk]

That's as may be, but WTF does that have to do with the Star Wars Prequel music?

[Faleel]

That's as may be, but WTF does that have to do with the Star Wars Prequel music?

it has to do with gkgyver post.

[ggctuk]

I see. I kinda got lost amongst all the Kinect talk here, I hadn't really been bothering to check for other replies much.

[Luke Skywalker]

it was just a joke... (what i wrote is true, just the connection with gkgyver's post was the joke)

sorry for the mess.

[Pieter_Boelen]

I've not been paying proper attention to the new music that has been uncovered from The Old Republic.
Out of interest, which parts of The Phantom Menace have been uncovered that we didn't have before?

Also, my old personal edit of that score is based on GoodMusician's original version and has CD1 ending with the really cool alternate of "Leaving For Coruscant".
However, the fade-out at end of that track was a bit cut short. Has a better version of that ever surfaced or been faked?

[Trent Bennett]

I've not been paying proper attention to the new music that has been uncovered from The Old Republic.
Out of interest, which parts of The Phantom Menace have been uncovered that we didn't have before?

Also, my old personal edit of that score is based on GoodMusician's original version and has CD1 ending with the really cool alternate of "Leaving For Coruscant".
However, the fade-out at end of that track was a bit cut short. Has a better version of that ever surfaced or been faked?

Regarding The Phantom Menace here's what was new from The Old Republic that we didn't have before. I'm basing off the time from my "Version 1" edit for the score.

Theed Palace Arrival
The unused piece from 1:17-1:28ish had a better fade out than compared to what was with the previous games. It made the transition into the other part A LOT easier and better.

Arrival At Tatooine
We never had the proper full clean ending for this cue, which The Old Republic finally had.

I'm A Pilot You Know
The Old Republic finally had the clean opening for this cue. Before the "Star Wars Mashup" from Hyperspace.com had this but it was in mono. The ending also was in much better quality and had a more cleaner ending too.

Stealing Food
The Old Republic finally had the clean opening for this cue.

Introducing Threepio
TOR finally had the clean opening for this as well. Before I had to fake it from the "Ultimate Edition".

Roll Of The Die
This cue is the one before "The Flag Parade". We never had a clean ending for this but TOR featured most of the ending cleanly. I had to do a slight reverb to it so it would fade out better.

[/b]The Race Begins[/b]
We never had the full proper opening for this but TOR finally had it.

Anakin Defeats Sebulba
TOR had the proper clean opening for this ... I mean the one for the proper percussion that was removed for the "Ultimate Edition".

Anakin's Test
TOR had the proper clean opening for this. The alternate segment that was featured in the Obi-Wan game, TOR had this in a better spot so you could make it easier to replace and we know where to put it now.

With Boss Nass
TOR had the clean opening for this which was definitely a separate cue[/b]

Forest Mist
TOR had a clean ending for this too. All though a slight reverb was needed for it.

The Big Army
TOR finally had a clean opening for this[/b]

Laser Fight March
TOR had the clean opening for this cue.

Take To Your Ships
TOR had a couple of excerpts from different takes that weren't with anything prior.

Up The Wire
TOR had this piece nearly in full that was MUCH better quality than before. There is one segment you'll need from either Battlefront 2 or TPM game to properly stitch the pieces together.

Death Of Darth Maul
TOR had a bit of a different take for this cue than compared to what's with the "Ultimate Edition". This take I like a lot more.

TOR also had A LOT more clean material for Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith.

For Attack Of The Clones, with a combination of the material from TOR and the previous games we have nearly the whole score clean, despite a lot of the cues being their film version edits which were easy to fix. However, the unused portions for AOTC have yet to surface. I'm not sure if we'll ever get those as it seems the music editors for the game are using film stems from this score instead of the sessions.

For Revenge Of The Sith as I said TOR had A LOT more clean material too. We're missing just over 7 minutes to make this score 100% and clean. Hopefully future Star Wars games will have the missing 7 minutes we need.

Regarding the early take for the end of "The Chosen One", I know I came across it from either TOR or one of the earlier games. I think it might have been from TOR but for the life of me I can't remember which file it was.

[ggctuk]

Regarding the early take for the end of "The Chosen One", I know I came across it from either TOR or one of the earlier games. I think it might have been from TOR but for the life of me I can't remember which file it was.

File CD9B7ECC_BE179DE0AFD950ED

[MrJosh]

I've not been paying proper attention to the new music that has been uncovered from The Old Republic.
Out of interest, which parts of The Phantom Menace have been uncovered that we didn't have before?

Also, my old personal edit of that score is based on GoodMusician's original version and has CD1 ending with the really cool alternate of "Leaving For Coruscant".
However, the fade-out at end of that track was a bit cut short. Has a better version of that ever surfaced or been faked?

Regarding The Phantom Menace here's what was new from The Old Republic that we didn't have before. I'm basing off the time from my "Version 1" edit for the score.

Theed Palace Arrival
The unused piece from 1:17-1:28ish had a better fade out than compared to what was with the previous games. It made the transition into the other part A LOT easier and better.

Arrival At Tatooine
We never had the proper full clean ending for this cue, which The Old Republic finally had.

I'm A Pilot You Know
The Old Republic finally had the clean opening for this cue. Before the "Star Wars Mashup" from Hyperspace.com had this but it was in mono. The ending also was in much better quality and had a more cleaner ending too.

Stealing Food
The Old Republic finally had the clean opening for this cue.

Introducing Threepio
TOR finally had the clean opening for this as well. Before I had to fake it from the "Ultimate Edition".

Roll Of The Die
This cue is the one before "The Flag Parade". We never had a clean ending for this but TOR featured most of the ending cleanly. I had to do a slight reverb to it so it would fade out better.

[/b]The Race Begins[/b]
We never had the full proper opening for this but TOR finally had it.

Anakin Defeats Sebulba
TOR had the proper clean opening for this ... I mean the one for the proper percussion that was removed for the "Ultimate Edition".

Anakin's Test
TOR had the proper clean opening for this. The alternate segment that was featured in the Obi-Wan game, TOR had this in a better spot so you could make it easier to replace and we know where to put it now.

With Boss Nass
TOR had the clean opening for this which was definitely a separate cue[/b]

Forest Mist
TOR had a clean ending for this too. All though a slight reverb was needed for it.

The Big Army
TOR finally had a clean opening for this[/b]

Laser Fight March
TOR had the clean opening for this cue.

Take To Your Ships
TOR had a couple of excerpts from different takes that weren't with anything prior.

Up The Wire
TOR had this piece nearly in full that was MUCH better quality than before. There is one segment you'll need from either Battlefront 2 or TPM game to properly stitch the pieces together.

Death Of Darth Maul
TOR had a bit of a different take for this cue than compared to what's with the "Ultimate Edition". This take I like a lot more.

TOR also had A LOT more clean material for Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith.

For Attack Of The Clones, with a combination of the material from TOR and the previous games we have nearly the whole score clean, despite a lot of the cues being their film version edits which were easy to fix. However, the unused portions for AOTC have yet to surface. I'm not sure if we'll ever get those as it seems the music editors for the game are using film stems from this score instead of the sessions.

For Revenge Of The Sith as I said TOR had A LOT more clean material too. We're missing just over 7 minutes to make this score 100% and clean. Hopefully future Star Wars games will have the missing 7 minutes we need.

Regarding the early take for the end of "The Chosen One", I know I came across it from either TOR or one of the earlier games. I think it might have been from TOR but for the life of me I can't remember which file it was.

Thank you for outlining this, Trent. This was a big help for me

[Pieter_Boelen]

That's a lot more of an expansive answer than I expected. Indeed thanks a lot, Trent!

File CD9B7ECC_BE179DE0AFD950ED

Thanks. Unfortunately, that seems to be something different than what I am after. I mean the ending of this track:

[ggctuk]

That's a lot more of an expansive answer than I expected. Indeed thanks a lot, Trent!

File CD9B7ECC_BE179DE0AFD950ED

Thanks. Unfortunately, that seems to be something different than what I am after. I mean the ending of this track:

I was responding to Trent, who didn't know where the Chosen One's ending was. However in your case, the UE has that ending clean anyways, but TOR has it in file F6C8A61E_6292F618F4A82BCA

[Pieter_Boelen]

That sounds like something different than I mean. The track I posted ends differently than usual.
Or is that ending not supposed to go there at all? That would make sense as in "Coruscant Arrival" from Trent's edit,
the track continues as if there's not supposed to be an ending in-between at all.

[ggctuk]

That sounds like something different than I mean. The track I posted ends differently than usual.
Or is that ending not supposed to go there at all? That would make sense as in "Coruscant Arrival" from Trent's edit,
the track continues as if there's not supposed to be an ending in-between at all.

Oh, yes, isn't this from GoodMusician's old edit? It's wrong. That bit is actually the true middle bit of Anakin's Test.

[Pieter_Boelen]

Indeed it is from GoodMusician's old edit. And that does explain a lot. Thanks for clarifying!
Found the music I meant in Trent's edit under "Anakin's Test (Alternate Excerpt)".

[lordskylark]

I checked out:

http://repertoire.bmi.com/

While it only lists cue titles which are copyrighted (does not seen to list most generic titles), it does give us a better idea of what the Star Wars Episode 1 cue list looks like (at least the number of cues for most of it, and does give some confirmation to some cue titles)

Also, as least for Episode II, it does give some of the official track names to some of the TRACKED music cues. Showing that these were considered to be official tracks and were, at some point, given official titles.

It also gives the official cue name for Episode III 6M5 as "Duel of Yoda and Sidious"

I will upload my results (For episode 1, I only included cue titles that were verifiable by BMI -- while on Ep2 & Ep3 I only included the BMI number if those titles were listed on there).


http://www.thezorkli...incomplete.txt)
http://www.thezorkli...Episode%202.txt
http://www.thezorkli...Episode%203.txt

[ggctuk]

Exacting Revenge was the cue used when Anakin slaughtered the Tusken Camp, it does appear in both the film and the album. Its slate number is 4M7. It was listed in the spreadhseet of AOTC cues.


Arrival at Tatooine and the Fl... - That is album only, I believe. The full title is "Arrival At Tatooine And The Flag Parade"

[lordskylark]

Thanks for the note on 5M7. For some reason I had accidentally removed it from my cue list (or never added it).

I think that list for the Episode 1 is mostly correct though. But now that you mention that, I am wondering if any of the cue titles had been duplicated on the OST, if they simply extended them for that BMI list, not realizing that they were different tracks or something. As in, "The Arrival at Tatooine" was the original cue list, but when the OST came out, instead of creating a new entry, they simply tagged on "The Arrival at Tatooine and the Flag Parade".
Otherwise, that list is definitely not from either the Ultimate Edition or the original OST, and they all come in movie order.

Andy

Exacting Revenge was the cue used when Anakin slaughtered the Tusken Camp, it does appear in both the film and the album. Its slate number is 4M7. It was listed in the spreadhseet of AOTC cues.


Arrival at Tatooine and the Fl... - That is album only, I believe. The full title is "Arrival At Tatooine And The Flag Parade"

[ggctuk]

A couple of the names on that list are album names, although I think you're right on that point that they might not have known the difference. It's a shame that more hasn't become available, but we do know that "The Duel Continues" is 6M7P2, as Trent got that info from Jesse Harlin, who has access to the sessions.

[Jim Ware]

Most of the BMI titles have been there since 2000 (Are you a Jedi? and Through the Slave Quarters weren't there before). They're not the only ones.

[ggctuk]

Also, I'm fairly sure the "Duel Begins" and "Duel Continues" on that list refer to the UE tracks (and their placement would suggest so).