Bale's bland "Batman" was the only real weak link in the film.
So you have warmed to Zimmer and James Newton Howards score?
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:12 PM
So you have warmed to Zimmer and James Newton Howards score?
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:25 PM
Well if we're are talking about the entire film and not just the actors, the quality of the actual movie makes up for a weak score. I don't even notice the music because I'm so engrossed by the rest of the film.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:28 PM
That is the main difference between the scores for Superman The Movie and The Dark Knight.
One made the film better, the other was made better by the film.
One made the film better, the other was made better by the film.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:31 PM
I couldn't help but notice the Joker Screech.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:35 PM
I'm not a big fan of that title.
The only thing better about TDK is the villains.
TDK is/was brilliant and was far from overrated.
Batman Begins was mediocre and overrated.
The only thing better about TDK is the villains.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:38 PM
We learned to live with Attack Of The Clones as a title, and thia is better.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:45 PM
Yeah, titles are one of the last things I worry about.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:59 PM
It's very unoriginal. Take the original title and slap a different word onto it. I hope this is just a working title, and that Nolan changes his mind before release date.
In 2005, you saw Batman Begin.
In 2008, you saw Batman in the Dark.
In 2012, Warner Brothers invites you to see Batman...Rise.
In 2005, you saw Batman Begin.
In 2008, you saw Batman in the Dark.
In 2012, Warner Brothers invites you to see Batman...Rise.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:12 PM
It's very unoriginal. Take the original title and slap a different word onto it.
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Batman Begins
Everything else related to Batman...
The Dark Knight was the first Batman film to not use Batman in the title. You can't really complain.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:14 PM
BLACK JUSTICE would've been a better title.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:23 PM
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:25 PM
It's very unoriginal. Take the original title and slap a different word onto it.
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Batman Begins
Everything else related to Batman...
The Dark Knight was the first Batman film to not use Batman in the title. You can't really complain.
You left out Batman: The Movie, but you're right. My bad. I like complaining.
But at least "Batman" is the character's name. I never thought of yelling at the Superman franchise for slapping numbers onto his name to create sequels, or stealing the "Returns" subtitle from the Batman franchise for V.
Batman has other nicknames besides "The Dark Knight," but I suppose "The Caped Crusader" and "The World's Greatest Detective" are too corny for today's world, and tying the film's name directly to Bruce Wayne's name would not work.
"The Dark Knight Rises" lends itself to a third sequel called "The Dark Knight Also Rises."
How about "Dark Knight Redemption?"
The guy does have to "redeem" himself in society's eyes after "killing" Harvey Dent.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:26 PM
I still doubt this is the actual title. After all BB was called Intimidation Game while in production.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:28 PM
The third Bat-flick will be called THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, the film will not be 3-D, and the villain will not be The Riddler (although it may be Hans Zimmer).
Ah, I was hoping for The Riddler.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:32 PM
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:33 PM
It's very unoriginal. Take the original title and slap a different word onto it.
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Batman Begins
Everything else related to Batman...
Koray wins.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:34 PM
What does he win? 30 packs of ketchup?
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:36 PM
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:37 PM
But I want nothing. I am never disappointed.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:38 PM
Or was that just a "let's not reveal it's a Batman movie by calling it something else", like "Blue Harvest" or "Paradox" or "Genre"? I don't think "The Dark Knight Rises" falls into that sorta "let's keep it a secret" category.I still doubt this is the actual title. After all BB was called Intimidation Game while in production.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:44 PM
Nolan confirmed it. The title doesn't bother me. I would have like something along the lines of The Caped Crusader, but that sounds a little silly. I don't think WB or Nolan knew what they were starting with Batman Begins. It initially just seemed like a great origin story for Batman. Then they made The Dark Knight. Continuing with Dark Knight, they're making the franchise their own. Instead of calling it Nolan's Batman or Burton's Batman, you can simply call it The Dark Knight franchise, or series, or whatever.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:46 PM
Instead of Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises, they should have just called them Batman, Batman 2, and Batman 3. Hell, that's what Spider-Man and X-Men did
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:49 PM
Instead of Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises, they should have just called them Batman, Batman 2, and Batman 3. Hell, that's what Spider-Man and X-Men did
Raimi's Spider-Man didn't have other films to differentiate itself from. What's the reboot going to be called? Probably not Spider-Man.
And X-Men had all the crappy sub-titles. X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand. Note the absent 3.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:59 PM
Crap, you're right
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:02 PM
WB at least knew that "Batman Begins" was not and could not be a prequel to Burton's "Batman" based on how it rewrote the origin story.
In that sense, calling it "Batman" or "Batman 1" would be unfair to Burton's franchise, but calling it "Batman 5" (or "6") would be misleading.
In that sense, calling it "Batman" or "Batman 1" would be unfair to Burton's franchise, but calling it "Batman 5" (or "6") would be misleading.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:25 PM
Hollywood has a thing against numbered sequels right now, they just change subtitles. I don't know what's more annoying, that or non-sequel movies with subtitles.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:10 PM
I just wish they didn't use "dark knight" words in it. Sounds like more like a "typical sequel" than "inspired follow-up". But then again this one proably is just that. I'd like Nolan to do something else, honestly.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:25 PM
I'm fine with the title. I know some people would prefer "The Dark Knight Returns", but honestly, Batman never left Gotham at the end of TDK. "Rises" sounds more redemptive, serves a thematic point, and it's to the point.
As for problems, it'll definitely be the score. Nolan should just let Zimmer and Howard do their thing like they did with Batman Begins (which was a derivative but fun score), and not chain them down and force them to follow a temp track for The Dark Knight.
As for problems, it'll definitely be the score. Nolan should just let Zimmer and Howard do their thing like they did with Batman Begins (which was a derivative but fun score), and not chain them down and force them to follow a temp track for The Dark Knight.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:28 PM
I'd like Nolan to do something else, honestly.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:32 PM
Because I think he's doing it only because he is expected to. I think he said everything there is to be said about Batman already. He made loads of money got all the critical acclaim. I'm not sure where he wants to take it from there.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:39 PM
Just because you aren't sure doesn't mean he isn't. Maybe he has more to say. Who knows?
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:43 PM
I'm just saying I'm not excited about all this. But we'll see.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:47 PM
I always have a very strange, unexplainable aversion to Nolan's Batman movies, yet when I actually sit and watch them I enjoy them immensely. Weird.
So yeah, I'm not particularly excited about the next one either.
So yeah, I'm not particularly excited about the next one either.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 08:31 PM
That's certainly unexpected, the title and the lack of Riddler. I'm kind of "meh" about the title to tell ya the truth, it sounds a little too redundant. I was actually opting for something like "Gotham Legend", which still as a title pertained to Batman but distinct from the other two in the series. Oh well, I'll probably learn to love this one.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 08:34 PM
With this title and with Zack Snyder now firmly attached to Warner Brothers, I would bet the studio plans to have Snyder direct The Dark Knight Returns adaptation a few years after Nolan as concluded his trilogy.
Anyway, it's just a title, but as an huge Batman fan and great admirer of Nolan's Batman movies, this is clearly my most anticipated movie in the coming years.
Anyway, it's just a title, but as an huge Batman fan and great admirer of Nolan's Batman movies, this is clearly my most anticipated movie in the coming years.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 08:47 PM
The Dark Knight Returns takes place in a universe so different from Nolan's universe.... I mean, Nolan's is so grounded in reality, why TDKR has superman, green arrow, wonder woman, and all kinds of other stuff. Not to mention Robin. Unless they rewrite it I guess.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 08:49 PM
It wouldn't have to be a sequel. With this film, Nolan closes his chapter. WB will not let the character lie down. I'm just adding 2+2, though the prospect of a DKR movie directed by Zack Snyder doesn't excite me one bit
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You and me both.though the prospect of a DKR movie directed by Zack Snyder doesn't excite me one bit
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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