Batman Returns is a brilliant movie and score.
Not sure why it gets so much hate sometimes.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 02:29 AM
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 08:25 AM
Batman Returns is a brilliant movie and score.
Not sure why it gets so much hate sometimes.
Yes, I love it too.
It's among my best films and the score among my 5 best scores of all time!
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 08:39 AM
This. It's still my second favorite batfilm, right behind TDK.Batman Returns is a brilliant movie and score.
Not sure why it gets so much hate sometimes.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:07 AM
I don't like it because it abandons the character of Batman for the sake of Burton's "oh we're all freaks really" complex.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 04:04 PM
It has some high points. But the movie is filled with absolutely ridiculous scenes. And has that Hook feeling of being enclosed in a sound stage
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 04:53 PM
I'm sure that last thing was completely intentional. As a tribute to all the expressionist silent movie era, it conveys the mood and look of those. The snow gives the film almost a black & white look. The music contributes to that too.
I can see where the criticism towards the film is coming from. And I respect that. This is clearly NOT a Batman film. I see it as a 20's movies tribute, a political satire and stuff like that. It's a black comedy essentially.
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I can see where the criticism towards the film is coming from. And I respect that. This is clearly NOT a Batman film. I see it as a 20's movies tribute, a political satire and stuff like that. It's a black comedy essentially.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 05:15 PM
Dont' get me wrong, there's a lot to love in this movie. But some minor scenes that really have nothing to do with the story arc really drag it down a bit in my view. Batman blowing up one of the circus thugs, Penguin taking control of the Batmobile, the magic batarang...
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:54 AM
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:03 AM
Dont' get me wrong, there's a lot to love in this movie. But some minor scenes that really have nothing to do with the story arc really drag it down a bit in my view. Batman blowing up one of the circus thugs, Penguin taking control of the Batmobile, the magic batarang...
None of those scenes bothered me. but to each his own.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:35 AM
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Trailer in crap quality, but you can see what's going on.
Ooooh, much better than the earlier link
Seriously psyched for this movie!
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:11 AM
Batman Returns is a brilliant movie
Wait... what? I've seen this movie several times -- and while it has several terrific scenes, the movie is just ridiculous. Michelle Pfeiffer was a great, if more deranged Catwoman than in the comics -- but even she fell victim to the ridiculous plot at times.
If I have to choose between Burton's Batman films, I prefer the first one. It reeked of studio interference, but I thought it embodied the character and universe well in places. Batman Returns was a completely different movie, and not the good kind. It felt like a Tim Burton film with Batman characters in it, as opposed to a Batman universe interpreted by Burton.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:14 AM
I'm totally intrigued. I wonder what's Catwoman's "role" in the whole thing. Or what is it that Bane is trying to do.
It's interesting how much they focus on the stadium scene as well.
It's interesting how much they focus on the stadium scene as well.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:37 AM
Anyone else see the prologue? Saw it in an IMAX theatre today, I think I made out 3 words that Bane said. Is this definitely his final voice? I really liked the way it sounded, but couldn't understand it at all. Maybe they still have some tweaking to do on the dialogue recordings.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:58 AM
Yes, the prologue isn't finished yet.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:18 PM
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:52 PM
Wow. Never thought I'd say that, but I quite like Hathaway as Selina Kyle.
The stadium scene looks cheap to me.
The rest is OK, but nothing groundbreaking. I'm nowhere near as excited as I was for The Dark Knight. I hope I'll be surprised.
P.S.: I think Bane's voice is gonna get really annoying pretty quickly. I couldn't understand a word of what he was saying.
The stadium scene looks cheap to me.
The rest is OK, but nothing groundbreaking. I'm nowhere near as excited as I was for The Dark Knight. I hope I'll be surprised.
P.S.: I think Bane's voice is gonna get really annoying pretty quickly. I couldn't understand a word of what he was saying.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:00 PM
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I could understand Bane fine, but yea I hope he doesn't talk like that the whole movie
I could understand Bane fine, but yea I hope he doesn't talk like that the whole movie
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 10:55 PM
It's not as compelling a trailer as I thought it would be.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:01 PM
Yawn.
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:07 PM
I could understand Bane fine, but yea I hope he doesn't talk like that the whole movie
There's only three people that should be allowed to speak through a tinny mask and be taken seriously. James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman, and Christopher Walken.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 12:08 AM
Very ominous trailer. Strong in a way that a lot of action-packed trailers aren't. It focuses on setting and characters, and almost doesn't feel like a Batman trailer until the end.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 12:20 AM
I personally felt the trailer was very well conceived and it sure as hell makes me excited for the film. Like Red Rabbit was saying, its not like most trailers for action films. And in that regard, its very intelligently crafted. Love it! Can't wait for this movie!
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:49 AM
Looks very good! Also sounds like it might have some political undertones. I'm excited.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:58 AM
Bane was considerably more clear dialogue wise in this trailer than he was in the prologue.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:30 AM
I think it was because of his mask. It's out of gas. He was too pain to speak in the prologue.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 05:47 PM
Uh oh, people are going to complain about Bane's voice as much as they did about Bale's voice.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 05:50 PM
Maybe it's intentional that we don't understand everything Bane says. I wouldn't mind.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:01 PM
Just submitted one of those chant thingies. Pretty neat idea. Is Eric Whitacre working on this film? Because he did something similar with a virtual choir, and I know he worked on PotC 4. I wonder if this was his influence.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 11:29 PM
I'll see it.
Tom Hardy is cool.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 11:34 PM
I'm sure that last thing was completely intentional. As a tribute to all the expressionist silent movie era, it conveys the mood and look of those. The snow gives the film almost a black & white look. The music contributes to that too.
That's why I like it so much.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:35 AM
Screw Bane. That whole stadium scene has me giddy with delight.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:55 AM
The stadium scene is a good idea, but the CGI just feels unfinished and tacky. I had no problem discerning Bane's voice (which I think Nolan will fix in ADR sessions).
But the highlight is Anne Hathaway. Even in two scenes, she's impressive. Nolan made a solid choice for the new Selina Kyle.
But the highlight is Anne Hathaway. Even in two scenes, she's impressive. Nolan made a solid choice for the new Selina Kyle.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:09 PM
I agree, CGI definitely can't be finished at this point. Hathaway seems like a perfect fit.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:54 PM
Uh oh, people are going to complain about Bane's voice as much as they did about Bale's voice.
lol I like Bane's voice, and upon reading Nolan saying it's not changing, I'll get over not being able to understand every word.
On the subject of Bale's voice, it doesn't bother me at all. Don't understand the criticism, actually.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:52 PM
Talking in movies is overrated anyway.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:36 AM
Good, it's sounds awesome enough as it is.
Uh oh, people are going to complain about Bane's voice as much as they did about Bale's voice.
lol I like Bane's voice, and upon reading Nolan saying it's not changing, I'll get over not being able to understand every word.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:37 AM
Out of curiosity: where did he say that?
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:53 AM
Where do I get to see this new trailer?
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Whoops, didn't see that. Looks rather good!
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