I've never been a big fan of straight metal, but I've been gaining an interest in some symphonic metal and crossovers. Some examples I like are Rhapsody of Fire, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Powerglove, and the FF Advent Children (movie) OST.
Any other fans of this style here? Any more recommendations you can make for me to check out?
Symphonic Metal / Crossovers
Started by ChuckM, Jan 07 2011 04:20 PM
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:27 PM
Metallica's S&M album with Michael Kamen.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:17 PM
I would recomend Nightwish or Within Temptation.
I'm not fan of Symphonic Metal, but my little brother hears this music.
I'm not fan of Symphonic Metal, but my little brother hears this music.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:29 PM
isnt there a work of metallica with the LSO?
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:51 PM
I'm not sure, I think Michael Kamen did some recordings in London for Metallica.
The S&M album features the San Francisco Symphony conducted by Kamen.
The S&M album features the San Francisco Symphony conducted by Kamen.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:13 PM
I hate Metallica, but the work on S&M is stunning - some incredible stuff....
....and Steve Vai has done a fair bit with orchestras, though I am a bit out of date with Vai stuff so not sure if any has been released commercially....plenty on YouTube though (his guitar/orchestra version of For The Love Of God is breathtaking).
....and Steve Vai has done a fair bit with orchestras, though I am a bit out of date with Vai stuff so not sure if any has been released commercially....plenty on YouTube though (his guitar/orchestra version of For The Love Of God is breathtaking).
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:25 PM
I would recomend Nightwish or Within Temptation.
I'm not fan of Symphonic Metal, but my little brother hears this music.
Within Temptation has done some nice stuff, though a lot of it is a bit to Zimmer-like for my tastes.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:33 PM
Goshdarn it, I wanted to post this!
There's more of the sort by Symphony X, but this must be the best example. I'm a big fan of the band and can't wait to hear them finally live when they come to Slovenia in March. Maybe I can even catch the opportunity for a photo and autographed album! 
Otherwise, Nightwish is indeed cool stuff (the "Tarja years" IMO) as is Rhapsody and S&M which has by now become a classic, also Sonata Arctica, Therion, Stratovarius and ocassionally Dream Theater. You can also find a nice and exhaustive list here.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 01:01 AM
Does this count?
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 01:03 AM
S&M rules of course. But the isolated Michael Kamen track is even better!
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:44 AM
Big metal fan... And a bit orchestral fan... But still not sold on them being together.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:11 AM
I'm not sure, but Nightwish used some Zimmer's pieces in concerts.
I would recomend Nightwish or Within Temptation.
I'm not fan of Symphonic Metal, but my little brother hears this music.
Within Temptation has done some nice stuff, though a lot of it is a bit to Zimmer-like for my tastes.
Even they are influenced by his music.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:51 PM
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:23 AM
Here are some recommendations:
Steve Vai-Sound Theories Vol. 1 & 2. Incredible live 2cd set recorded with the Metropole Orkest and some of Steve's best playing.
Dream Theater - Score - 3cd live set, with 2 discs recorded with the Octavarium Orchestra (anything by Dream Theater is incredible IMO. (Six Degrees of Turbulence also has some symphonic elements, albeit with keyboards)
Within Temptation - (2 albums) - Black Symphony (2cd live set recorded with the Metropole Orchestra) & The Heart of Everything.
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology, The Odyssey & Paradise Lost. All 3 incredible albums. Progressive heavy metal with an orchestrated flare. Lead guitarist was heavily influenced by Yngwie Malmsteen.
Kamelot - Ghost Opera & The Black Halo - their 2 best albums IMO.
Nightwish - Dark Passion Play
and although I'm not a huge fan, the band Epica falls into this style as well.
Hope that helps a little bit. If I think of anything else, I'll update the post.
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Steve Vai-Sound Theories Vol. 1 & 2. Incredible live 2cd set recorded with the Metropole Orkest and some of Steve's best playing.
Dream Theater - Score - 3cd live set, with 2 discs recorded with the Octavarium Orchestra (anything by Dream Theater is incredible IMO. (Six Degrees of Turbulence also has some symphonic elements, albeit with keyboards)
Within Temptation - (2 albums) - Black Symphony (2cd live set recorded with the Metropole Orchestra) & The Heart of Everything.
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology, The Odyssey & Paradise Lost. All 3 incredible albums. Progressive heavy metal with an orchestrated flare. Lead guitarist was heavily influenced by Yngwie Malmsteen.
Kamelot - Ghost Opera & The Black Halo - their 2 best albums IMO.
Nightwish - Dark Passion Play
and although I'm not a huge fan, the band Epica falls into this style as well.
Hope that helps a little bit. If I think of anything else, I'll update the post.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 04:21 PM
One of my favourite bands is Rammstein, and even though they're more labeled 'goth metal', they have have often used symphonic arrangements in their music. There is also something quite dramatic in their songs.
Otherwise, you have stuff like the Norwegian black metal gods Dimmu Borgir (which have used orchestra extensively in later years), but that may be a little too hardcore for your taste.
Otherwise, you have stuff like the Norwegian black metal gods Dimmu Borgir (which have used orchestra extensively in later years), but that may be a little too hardcore for your taste.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 04:22 PM
Isn't Zimmer's Kraken almost like metal?
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 11:16 PM
Isn't Zimmer's Kraken almost like metal?
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Zimmer has never done metal, as far as I know. However, he draws heavily upon prog rock traditions. His whole "power anthem" style - of which PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN is part - is very much part of that.
Zimmer is often very much LIKED by metal fans, though. Probably something with the muscular sound.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 11:51 PM
I noticed that.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 05:02 AM
I don't like metal, but I like rock, and Eric Clapton's work with Michael Kamen and the National Philharmonic is awesome:
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:09 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. Some great stuff here! I'm enjoying [the Kamen/Metallica collaboration] right now. 
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:26 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. Some great stuff here! I'm enjoying S&M right now.
Nice. Thanks for letting us know about your Friday night activities!
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 09:47 PM
Crap. I just looked up what that means in other contexts... 
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:03 PM
Don't worry. Judging from the recent Blume's challange there is plenty of these kind of people here. 
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
- Christopher Nolan
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 08:31 PM
Why listen to metal when you can listen to Stravinsky and Jurassic Park?
Metal wishes it could be that brutal and aggressive.
Metal wishes it could be that brutal and aggressive.
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 12:00 AM
That piece still gives me the shivers....I remember the show first time round - had no idea about the Kamen God back then but it's funny how things turn full circle....I don't like metal, but I like rock, and Eric Clapton's work with Michael Kamen and the National Philharmonic is awesome:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=o0sxr-wg7qI
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