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[Chaac]

he may not be the filmmaker he once was

He might not have the kind of balls he once had, but young Spielberg wishes he could shoot a film the way old Spielberg can.

[fommes]

So it's not far off because Ford does fitness...?

[Chaac]

To me that's very far off...

[Quint]

Shia Lebouf says Indiana Jones 5 is "not far off"

http://www.slashfilm...5-shia-labeouf/

I talked to Harrison. He said he's staying in the gym. He said that he's heard no word, but he does know that George [Lucas] is out there looking for a MacGuffin. But he said to me he's staying in the gym, so that means it's not so far off.

So if the MacGuffin still hasn't been decided on that means there's nowhere near a working script in existence which means this film is AT LEAST four years away, by which time Ford will be 70+.

Lol, piss off, Lucas.

[Chaac]

A good team of writers would have written one or two scripts by now. The McGuffin is... well a McGuffin. It isn't really that important.

[Incanus]

A good team of writers would have written one or two scripts by now. The McGuffin is... well a McGuffin. It isn't really that important.

Just leave it to David Koepp to finish it off.

[Chaac]

I think Koepp could actually write an interesting script for Indiana Jones. But the way they developed Indy 4 was a mess.

[Quint]

A good team of writers would have written one or two scripts by now. The McGuffin is... well a McGuffin. It isn't really that important.

A good team of writers? Ugh, scripting by committee is always a baaaad idea.

As for Koepp, well he can just sod off an all.

[Henry Buck]

Koepp is just awful.

[Chaac]

A good team of writers would have written one or two scripts by now. The McGuffin is... well a McGuffin. It isn't really that important.

A good team of writers? Ugh, scripting by committee is always a baaaad idea.

Not necessarily, and many scripts come to mind. But all right. A good writer then. Hypothetically speaking, who would we choose?

[Wycket]

A good team of writers would have written one or two scripts by now. The McGuffin is... well a McGuffin. It isn't really that important.

A good team of writers? Ugh, scripting by committee is always a baaaad idea.

Not necessarily, and many scripts come to mind. But all right. A good writer then. Hypothetically speaking, who would we choose?

I wouldn't mind Stephen Moffat. He just worked on Tintin with Spielberg so they have a connection. Plus Moffat can put out a script fast enough to get things moving quickly.

[Chaac]

I was thinking on him too, he can write fun adventure. Problem is, he's very busy today. But I think he would have been PERFECT for Indy 4.

[Demondm810]

Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford should all donate a portion of their salaries and gross percentages to get Larry Kasdan to write Indy V

[Faleel]

Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford should all donate a portion of their salaries and gross percentages to get Larry Kasdan to write Indy V

I was going to post the same pick

[Wojo]

If only this could have stayed The End...

[Chaac]

That shot is amazing.

[Datameister]

Amazingly long, at least...not really enough to make me forget the fact that Marcus Brody had to be used as so-called comic relief to get us there, though. KOTCS has its problems, and I can understand why many people wish they'd never returned to the franchise, but I'll say this much - if we just look at the endings, KOTCS is far better than TLC. And TOD. Fortunately, there's always Raiders to remind me of what a real Indiana Jones movie is like, but I digress.

[Henry Buck]

What!? I'd rather have Marcus as comic relief than Indy, Marion, Mutt, the aliens and every other character in that disgraceful excuse for an ending.

[Chaac]

Indy back at home in his wedding is not my idea for an great Indiana Jones ending.

[Datameister]

What!? I'd rather have Marcus as comic relief than Indy, Marion, Mutt, the aliens and every other character in that disgraceful excuse for an ending.

I'm not talking about the bizarre stuff with the aliens, I'm talking about the bit after they're back in the States, which corresponds roughly to everything after and including Marcus's cringe-inducing...moment. Maybe I'm just some strange flavor of hopeless romantic, but I was really happy to see Indy and Marion get married, and the final moment with Harrison taking the hat from Shia was very reassuring. TLC's ending just makes me uncomfortable, although it's obviously a better film overall.

I always get flack for saying stuff like this, but something went very wrong with the Indiana Jones franchise over 20 years before KOTCS. People talk about this stuff as if all three original films set the bar incredibly high and then KOTCS was just a completely irredeemable failure, but for me, there's never been a real sequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark. If I want to watch an Indiana Jones movie, that's what I watch...the other three are just flawed adventure films starring Harrison Ford in a role that happens to share the same name.

[E.T. & Elliott]

Indy back at home in his wedding is not my idea for an great Indiana Jones ending.

Wedding and funeral scenes...stop it, George Lucas. They are such cliches. Indiana Jones ends with a very tacky wedding scene. All that can be salvaged is JW's music.

[Chaac]

I always get flack for saying stuff like this, but something went very wrong with the Indiana Jones franchise over 20 years before KOTCS. People talk about this stuff as if all three original films set the bar incredibly high and then KOTCS was just a completely irredeemable failure, but for me, there's never been a real sequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark. If I want to watch an Indiana Jones movie, that's what I watch...the other three are just flawed adventure films starring Harrison Ford in a role that happens to share the same name.

2 is a great film and 3 is a near masterpiece, and thank Spielberg because I didn't want the series to end witha merely great film.

Indy became a more central character in each film and I love that. In Raiders he's the protagonist of an adventure film. In Temple he's a famous character and we see both the heroic and the greedy side of him (with an amazing perfomance, by the way). In Last Crusade we finally get an emotional arch that could have been developed more in any of the previous two, specially Temple, but wasn't. Last Crusade also digs more in what he does, as he isn't now a man on a mission, or a man thrown casually in extraordinary circunstances. And so with Crusade, the circle is complete. They chose to paint the interior of the circle with a fourth film but they chose an ugly colour.

[indy4]

There are flaws in KotCS, but I don't think the aliens is one of them. I think that part worked really well.

[Chaac]

I loved the alien idea, but I didn't like the execution. The film never makes me believe in what I'm seeing.

[Datameister]

The aliens really threw me off at first, both the idea and the execution. I grew to somewhat appreciate the attempt at moving the mythology forward twenty years into UFO territory, but I don't think it worked for an Indy film, and although it may not be the film's deepest or most profound flaw, it's probably the one that still bothers me the most.

TOD is far from a great film for me...in fact, I think it's a terrible film with some wonderful elements (the score, the mine car chase, Short Round, the fact that it didn't simply rehash Raiders, etc.). I can't stand Willy, I don't care one bit about Indy...and on top of all that, despite its reputation, it's unfortunately not half as dark or intense as Raiders. They couldn't even get the mouldering corpses right. TLC is less offensively bad because it attempts to follow the Raiders model more closely, but that also makes it a little less interesting, and I would have preferred a film that had a more unique plot but returned to the feel of Raiders, which TLC certainly didn't. Instead, it's got this jovial, self-congratulatory sort of sense of humor that unfortunately contaminated the score a little, too. It works in some scenes and it really doesn't in others.

Basically, I love the serious tone, subtle-but-genuinely-funny humor, horrifying climax, engaging cinematography, and true sense of adventure in Raiders. I wish its sequels had taken the franchise in new and exciting directions without sacrificing the elements that made me love it in the first place.

[Chaac]

I see what you mean.

I see Crusade as the most different of the trilogy from Raiders.

The trilogy starts with an hommage: Raiders. And then trogh the following two films the filmakers try to make the world of this character more their own. We see an evolution that is trying to distil the core of Indiana Jones. Both the increase of dramatism and humor is a product of this. Crusade ended up being the more Spielbergian of the three.

[Datameister]

I think all three feel very Spielbergian, but in different ways. Raiders happens to do it in all the right ways for me. They didn't need to distill the core of Indiana Jones, because they already had it down perfectly. I love the homageyness. As for increasing the humor...I still find Raiders far funnier than any of its sequels.

I'm sure I probably sound like an irrational fanboy in all this, but this is simply how I've always felt. I was actually shocked when I first found people who so strongly disagreed.

[Demondm810]

I think Raiders and Temple of Doom are absolute perfection. I think the other two are slightly inferior because they try too hard to recapture Raiders' tone and style. I adore Temple of Doom because it's funnier, scarier, has more action and doesn't give a fuck Raiders exists.

[Datameister]

I adore Temple of Doom because it's funnier, scarier, has more action and doesn't give a fuck Raiders exists.

I adore Raiders because it's funnier, scarier, has better action, and makes it easier for me to not give a f*** TOD exists.

[Demondm810]

My sideshow premium format Mola Ram figure disagrees with you.

I keep it in my office. You should see clients' faces when they see that thing, not knowing what it is.

[Datameister]

The nightmares I had - or at least thought I would have - after watching Toht's face melt disagree with you! Try putting that image in your office!

[Chaac]

As a kid the thing that scared me the most was Donovan's death. Temple was chilling and fun. I started to appreciate Raiders later, and now it's my favourite.

I think all three feel very Spielbergian, but in different ways. Raiders happens to do it in all the right ways for me. They didn't need to distill the core of Indiana Jones, because they already had it down perfectly. I love the homageyness. As for increasing the humor...I still find Raiders far funnier than any of its sequels.

I'm sure I probably sound like an irrational fanboy in all this, but this is simply how I've always felt. I was actually shocked when I first found people who so strongly disagreed.

Actually I thought I was the one sounding like an irrational fanboy

[Datameister]

Donovan's death was pretty horrific, too. I saw that one a little later, I think.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was exposed (repeatedly) to the first third of Raiders long before I was exposed to the rest of the film and to its sequels, so I'm sure nostalgia is playing some role in this. But the differences are definitely there, as I'm sure none of us would deny, and I'm guessing my preference would just be a little less stark if I'd seen them all around the same time. Raiders simply doesn't have the qualities that annoy me in the films that followed.

[MissPadmé]

I love the first three, each one of them for what makes them in my eyes, stand out and great. But All the four films now have a special place in my heart. I see that the whiny/diva Willie should be a deviation from the heroic, though Marion - and I think Willie is executed great.


I am not the type of person who finds flaws in films. What they serve me is what I get and I take it for what it is, don't expect anything from anything..

Expectations make you weak and increase the chance to be dissapointed.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Joe I think you need to watch Temple Of Doom again, as an adult, with a totally open mind. Don't put any expectations on it, just enjoy it for what it is

[Datameister]

Oh, I've watched it plenty of times as an adult. (TLC, too.) And I have indeed been able to get better at enjoying it for what it is. I don't have the sky-high expectations I had the first time. But still, every time I watch it, I'm tempted to make a moment-by-moment list of all the things in that film that I think are terrible.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Then you're going in with the wrong attitude

[Wojo]

Eh, I know adults who still hate it. They can't get past the dinner sequence.

I had only seen it taped from a network TV broadcast until I got the DVD box set, so I never knew they actually showed Mr. Ram's hand enter the first victim's chest.

[Datameister]

Then you're going in with the wrong attitude

I don't go into it wanting to make that list...that's just the type of creativity the film inspires in me!

[Mark Olivarez]

For all its faults LC was a fitting end. KOTCS f***** everything up.


I'd rather see Ford do Witness 2.